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I tend to agree. We signed too many duds. Lati, Binks, Thomas and Kitching are not as good as McFadzeen. Where's Wally in midfield and Wright not being arsed up front aren't helping him.
I tend to agree. We signed too many duds. Lati, Binks, Thomas and Kitching are not as good as McFadzeen. Where's Wally in midfield and Wright not being arsed up front aren't helping him.We’re not gonna agree here.
I just don’t see Robins turning this one around. Whether he gets the chance to or not we’ll see.
What’s the benefit of those people on a match day?
Wright is the 5th top scorer in the league. You’re talking nonsense.I tend to agree. We signed too many duds. Lati, Binks, Thomas and Kitching are not as good as McFadzeen. Where's Wally in midfield and Wright not being arsed up front aren't helping him.
Physios/S&C coordinators are often the ones first taking the players out to warm them up. That’s normal even at amateur/semi-pro level sports.
As for analysts, it’s part of the prep for match day and on match day it’s monitoring performance of ourselves and the opposition. There’s probably some data tracking of players during pre-match too - all the players have those vests that track a lot of data.
This is professional sports where they’re constantly looking at small 1% improvements here and there. Everything is ‘optimised’.
For example, on Tuesday my good mate pointed out someone saying ‘what’s he doing?!’ and it was one of the physios/S&C people who’s been warming up the players when they first come out since the L2 days.
With respect to many people on here and including close friends personally, this isn’t the 90s where everything was more subjective and frankly, amateur.
Vive la revolution!Physios/S&C coordinators are often the ones first taking the players out to warm them up. That’s normal even at amateur/semi-pro level sports.
As for analysts, it’s part of the prep for match day and on match day it’s monitoring performance of ourselves and the opposition. There’s probably some data tracking of players during pre-match too - all the players have those vests that track a lot of data.
This is professional sports where they’re constantly looking at small 1% improvements here and there. Everything is ‘optimised’.
For example, on Tuesday my good mate pointed out someone saying ‘what’s he doing?!’ and it was one of the physios/S&C people who’s been warming up the players when they first come out since the L2 days.
With respect to many people on here and including close friends personally, this isn’t the 90s where everything was more subjective and frankly, amateur.
Obviously the position we’re in, there are going to be questions being asked. Call it a review if you like yeah.But you'd agree that a thorough review of all the changes and the affect, if any, they've had on Robins role would be prudent before pulling the trigger?
Or is getting rid of the managers ingrained in your physce you won't accept anything else?
That going to be weird for you if we pull off a result tomorrow
Obviously the position we’re in, there are going to be questions being asked. Call it a review if you like yeah.
I disagree that it should be all about the effect on robins. The end goal is performance on the pitch, that should be the focus of any review.
What’s the benefit of those people on a match day?
In my own managerial experience I went from having a team that battled hard in every game to a team that were disinterested. The side I had was mostly young so I knew I needed to sign some experienced lads to help turn those draws into wins and the losses into draws.
I signed experience for the spine of the team. My centre half was a former Bedworth Utd captain for example and although he was getting older, he was outstanding for me.
The point I am making is that experience, character and a strong mentality are important no matter what the level of football is. We lost all of that when Fadz, Kelly and Godden left. I am not saying we should have kept them but we didn’t replace the other qualities they brought to the squad
Analysts? what do you think?
Physios and medical staff? what do you think?
I keep seeing this. But if they’re all adding “1%” shouldn’t we be at least 10% better by now?
Im not sure it helps more than losing a tight knit focus on match day hurts is all. Does the analyst need to be on the pitch if the kit is working? The cleaning lady and kit man have important jobs but they don’t get a tracksuit and pitch access on match day.
What do you mean specifically when you say this?Organic, give it me everything time over this mechanical robotic approach!
It’s not a literal 1% improvement, the concept is ‘continuous improvement’. Some of these changes don’t necessarily come into fruition overnight and not all ‘improvements’ have the desired effect and you need to go back to the drawing board.
Is our setup abnormal compared to the rest of the league or abnormal to way we’ve things in the past? Which, by everyone’s admission (including MR) was amateurish by Championship standards and of course, where we want to be, the Prem.
It’s ironic that, for example, John Eustace has been touted as a potential success to MR and he has a similar coaching structure at Blackburn as we do.
Medical staff to monitor player conditions during the match, analysts to judge how the game is going in real time and offer more suggestions to the manager.I don’t know that’s why I’m asking. Why do you need medical staff on the pitch or analytical staff if there’s no immediate medical or analytical issues to attend to?
I don’t know that’s why I’m asking. Why do you need medical staff on the pitch or analytical staff if there’s no immediate medical or analytical issues to attend to?
I remember the last time we had a manager who over-achieved.The hit rate of successful managerial appointments in this division is poor.
So I'm not suggesting we turn in to Stoke or Watford with one change as you well know.
But what if that one's wrong, and the next one?
Not sure how long you've been following city but we've been down that route many times before?
And people with far more experience of running a football club than King regularly get it wrong.
A new man hits a bad patch and the clamour for his head starts pretty rapidly. It's a well worn path.
So all Im saying is, if we go down that route we need to be 100 percent sure.
At the moment I'm not but I'm prepared to accept this could be mainly down to Robins, you don't seem willingly to even contemplate it might not be, you want him gone.
Be careful what you wish for.
I mean that's where football will end up , when you hear comments like rehearsed move etc I mean you can't deny it as such take Wolves and our 3rd goal and tbf it's not new, it's been specialised from free kicks etc, but to adopt it across the board is well as I said the other day we need a choreographer for a manager under these rules.What do you mean specifically when you say this?
Medical staff to monitor player conditions during the match, analysts to judge how the game is going in real time and offer more suggestions to the manager.
You have a match day squad of 18-20? You may need a couple of physios/sports therapists to manage the warm-ups / ‘pre-hab’ and of course treatment.
Have you ever been around a sports team on a matchday? My routine would be (as an amateur), get ready, have a bit of a jog/piss about and then the physio(s) would take us through the warm-up/prehab and then split off into groups by position. You see this basic structure in our warm ups on match days. The difference is that this is obviously a more professional operation.
For someone who feels so strongly about this, I’d have expected you to have a clearer idea of what the problem is exactly.
I think it’s classic management consultancy brain that think management hierarchies and job titles matter more than the people in the job. These jobs may all be super useful but as a collective they’ve ruined the playing side and now where do you point the finger? What’s got better and who is responsible as opposed to what’s got worse and who should go? Can anyone answer that question?
Why are you being obtuse lol, obviously analysts are there in case they have any insight to offer based on what they're seeing in the match.Im not the one writing war and peace defending it. I was just asking what an analyst was doing on the pitch on match day. I’m still none the wiser but clearly this is a touchy subject for you so it’s fine.
Yes.From the pitch?
I mean that's where football will end up , when you hear comments like rehearsed move etc I mean you can't deny it as such take Wolves and our 3rd goal and tbf it's not new, it's been specialised from free kicks etc, but to adopt it across the board is well as I said the other day we need a choreographer for a manager under these rules.
You whizkids just want it to be transferable to the screen and then you can interact with it, sorry you did ask,call it progress or whatever, but it's not for me!
They need to be cooped up in the office with the rest of the nerds apparently.Why are you being obtuse lol, obviously analysts are there in case they have any insight to offer based on what they're seeing in the match.
I don't know what you mean by from the pitch, nobody's on that except the players. It's not hard to see why a manager might want information on his players' conditioning during a game, nor why he'd want live analytical feedback either.From the pitch?
Oh I know that but football is being used for population building and the science side of it is basically an experiment,you will comply with it,or leave it out, it's okay.Yes.
This kind of thinking is from a bygone era I’m afraid. I genuinely hope I’m not being too disrespectful in saying that.
Even when Fadz was out of the side he was captaining almost from the subs bench, you could see him warming up and talking the centre backs through the game. It's funny really but we barely kept a clean sheet after he'd gone to Blackburn.
I think tbh as good as some of those were we werent really ever in the running for them and had all our eggs in one basket with Stamenic. When that fell through having thought we were over the line with it we would have been panic buying, so saved the funds and hoped something might drop. Left us even shorter when PAlmer went.I am struggling that people don't see this. End of last season key issue was conceding goals through poor game management/lacking bite, considering we had two prolific strikers. I think Kitching was brought in to be the new leader at the back post-Fadz, but hasn't worked.
We then lose Kelly from midfield (another leader), and O'Hare and Palmer, with no obvious second RB in terms of numbers, so one injury from being thin. Overlay an attacker focused recruitment, and we are where we are. Why rumoured interest in experienced players with an edge like Browne (Preston), Worral (Forest) or Andre Bernede didn't happen, seems key - could simply be bad luck, but has hurt us.
We have been unlucky and I’m reasonably certain we’re still after defenders and midfielders.I am struggling that people don't see this. End of last season key issue was conceding goals through poor game management/lacking bite, considering we had two prolific strikers. I think Kitching was brought in to be the new leader at the back post-Fadz, but hasn't worked.
We then lose Kelly from midfield (another leader), and O'Hare and Palmer, with no obvious second RB in terms of numbers, so one injury from being thin. Overlay an attacker focused recruitment, and we are where we are. Why rumoured interest in experienced players with an edge like Browne (Preston), Worral (Forest) or Andre Bernede didn't happen, seems key - could simply be bad luck, but has hurt us.
Well the analysts might as well go then. MR never changes formation and the sub are always pre-planned.Medical staff to monitor player conditions during the match, analysts to judge how the game is going in real time and offer more suggestions to the manager.
It's good to hear that they have specific areas of responsibility.I was at an event recently when one of the players said that the coaches have specific areas of responsibility. For example one coaches "in possession" and another coaches "out of possession"
Maybe I’m old fashioned but don’t you think nowadays they try and overcomplate things or am I just a dinosaurI was at an event recently when one of the players said that the coaches have specific areas of responsibility. For example one coaches "in possession" and another coaches "out of possession"
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