It's not complicated though is it? The thread you quoted was looking ahead. I was wrong. I'll get over it, I reckon.
Looking at things that happened, Palmer, like Allen, had to play too much with Godden and O'Hare out and got injured .
Palmer showed enough to make obvious he's a better footballer than Allen. Both have a use in the squad next season.
The player made the decision, the manager doesn't do it
was Palmer a more banging signing than this one?
Palmer is rarely fit, we’ve seen that all his career. He’s a liability off the ball but can be fantastic on it. He will have a role as a squad player behind Allen, O’hare and another signing hopefully.
Keep digging. Couldn't care less. Bye!was Palmer a more banging signing than this one?
Palmer is rarely fit, we’ve seen that all his career. He’s a liability off the ball but can be fantastic on it. He will have a role as a squad player behind Allen, O’hare and another signing hopefully.
It's bollocks about off the ball though.
He regularly fails to pick up a man and consistently manages to look busy without being effective in the press.
Except he has more...
Tackles
Interceptions
Blocks
Clearances
...than Allen and O'Hare.
Great, now look at his positioning off the ball when we’re sitting deep. Now look at his defensive actions in the opposition final third. Now look at the goals we have conceded whereby he’s not got tight enough on a thrower or crosser.
Now look at his ability to play behind 2 strikers in the same way Allen and O’hare have shown.
Or do your stats not tell you that?
For me it's not the lack of work rate, it's the lack of smart work rate. He will chase the ball 50 yards unnecessarily sprinting to close the keeper down, or throw himself in to a tackle on a fullback in the final third to concede a throwing. That gets the crowd going, and adds to his statsIt's bollocks about off the ball though.
I honestly think he was brought in as we were going to sell O'Hare to Burnley but he got injured first.He was brought in to solve a problem in our final third play, if you want a defensive workhorse when you’ve got 9 other more defensive players on the pitch then sure. Not someone to have to sit tight and hold what you’ve got. But there were times last season where it looked like we had no idea how to unlock defences and that’s what he brings.
For me it's not the lack of work rate, it's the lack of smart work rate. He will chase the ball 50 yards unnecessarily sprinting to close the keeper down, or throw himself in to a tackle on a fullback in the final third to concede a throwing. That gets the crowd going, and adds to his stats
But when we lose the ball and the opposition have a bit of possession, instead of getting back into shape, closing down space or passing lines, etc, he stands up front watching.
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I was talking about tackles and tracking back.Exactly but ‘Nick’ and ‘Smart’ don’t go together. He wants aimless running and stupid fouls
I was talking about tackles and tracking back.
He's not a centre half. He's a number 10.But that doesn’t make you good defensively?
He isn’t, to me the press surrounds trapping the opposition and forcing a turnover in possession. That doesn’t need to be an interception or tackle. Allen rarely tackles yet no one can deny he’s extremely effective in the press.
Goals where palmer lost his man off the top of my head:
Luton (h) loses man off a throw
Bristol city (h) he is nowhere when Bristol are in possession in our half
Wrexham (h) first goal he was wandering aimlessly in midfield marking no one
I’m sure there are more if I wanted to put myself through the torture of rewatching the goals we’ve conceded
He's not a centre half. He's a number 10.
You were on about off the ball, I just said it was incorrect as he does some good stuff off the ball.
They were clearly zonal marking against Luton, not man to man, so didn't lose anyone - although that was a lazy outstretched leg for the deflection. And that's a bit of a stretch blaming him for the goal against Bristol.
Took 4 months to get fit, earned his astronomical wage for roughly a month, out for 4 months. Top signing!!
Luton (h) loses man off a throw
Bristol city (h) he is nowhere when Bristol are in possession in our half
Wrexham (h) first goal he was wandering aimlessly in midfield marking no one
The goal against Bristol highlights his defensive issues, most people can’t see it as they’re ball watching. If you spend 45 mins keeping an eye on palmer, that exact scenario repeats itself
Luton - JWE steps out loses his man, not Palmer, he's closing the cross down.
Bristol City - your guy Allen gets done like an absolute kipper
Wrexham - absolutely laughable to put even a hint of blame on Palmer for this
Unless you want 11 men behind the ball at all times then these are 3 awful examples.
Where did I say that?
Over the last 3 seasons (for fair comparison):Presumably we're just writing O'Hare off as injury prone and never fit now as well then?
It's a very deep stretch to try and blame him for that Bristol goal.
It's a very deep stretch to try and blame him for that Bristol goal.
Wilson-Esbrand didn't play against Wrexham.Luton - JWE steps out loses his man, not Palmer, he's closing the cross down.
Bristol City - your guy Allen gets done like an absolute kipper
Wrexham - absolutely laughable to put even a hint of blame on Palmer for this
Unless you want 11 men behind the ball at all times then these are 3 awful examples.
You mean where the same pattern of play happens and results in a goal. Interesting
As a final point I will say I’m not blaming Palmer solely for them goals, I was asked to show examples of Palmer struggling with his defensive positioning particularly in a 3. I have shown it happening and leading to a goal in back to back games. That is the weakness myself, other posters and his previous managers are talking about. Not his ability to tackle or run around.
Wilson-Esbrand didn't play against Wrexham.
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