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chiefdave · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Why won't it? What a silly comment. We introduce an Points based system with a strong government and this won't reduce numbers stopping low skilled workers? Really?

Who are you trying to keep out? The vast majority of workers who come from the EU come to do jobs that UK citizens can't / won't do. It will have zero impact on immigration from non-EU countries.

And of course there are other potential impacts. Already the mayor of Calais is pressing for the Le Bouquet agreement to be scrapped. The likely result of that would be the Calais jungle moving to Dover.

Plus there is little chance we will get any sort of half decent trade deal with the EU without signing up for freedom of movement.

lifeskyblue · Jun 25, 2016

chiefdave said:
By the time there's another budget, emergency or otherwise, it could very well be Gove rather than Osbourne - god help us.

Yes...not sure who will be worse...both would look for austerity

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Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

lifeskyblue said:
Yes you are right. Any manifesto is nothing more than a'promise' on paper that is never met after the event. Funnily Osborne has been quiet since the result on his emergency budget...another case of telling the electorate one thing and doing another.
I can't believe the Brexit group will deliver on many promises....and certainly not until they get the positions in government and not until the article 50 is invoked

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Finally a poster I respect. Voted remain but see both sides.

As I said if we voted remain apparently there was a load of legislation waiting for us shortly after remaining. It was always going to happen both ways. The result was always going to be close and this is what democracy is. The leave have voted for the less of two evils in their eyes and things will take time.

I can talk to you but army bike just loses my interest sadly. Completely oblivious to obvious goings on. He states immigration doesn't affect housing and jobs. I can't accept that. He won't even debate it which tells you everything you need to know.

I know you voted remain and I accept many people did but we have a clear result and now we need to come together. Same other way round if remain had won.

These people calling for a second referendum and this petition online are clearly anti democratic and makes me sick to be honest. I believe in democracy.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

SkyBlueSid said:
I don't believe it will make much difference at all. Non-EU people have no right to rock up in the UK but it hasn't stopped them so far. And it's those that are the problem in the main, not EU citizens. Norway can't keep them out and I don't think we will either. One problem is that we will still have an open land border with the EU that is over 300 miles long. I suppose we could build a wall! As for strong government, don't hold your breath.....

I don't want to keep them out. I want immigration controlled and within means. I accept we need immigration. It's vital but uncontrollable leads to what we have now.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

chiefdave said:
That's exactly my point. It seems to me the two issues at the forefront of the leave campaign were the amount going to the EU, that could instead be spent here, and immigration. Within hours of a leave vote both were being retracted.

If I'd voted leave on the basis of one, or both, of those policies I'd be absolutely furious. We're all used to politicians lying and going back on their word but it doesn't usually happen so fast.

What do you think remain would be backtracking on? The campaign wasn't run on remain and reform just remain meaning a remain vote would see things unchanged. Not a lot to backtrack on there.

Oh please. Again someone who just doesn't get it. That last paragraph says it all.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

Anyway I will still park at Tesco at the Ricoh.

lifeskyblue · Jun 25, 2016

Dave really? Remain were questioned on turkey...answered 'not in my lifetime'. Next day it was clear that wasn't the full story. Both sides lied...both sides found out. Neither side trusted.
As I said earlier I think brexit won because many voters have felt powerless for years in our political system.

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chiefdave · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Oh please. Again someone who just doesn't get it. That last paragraph says it all.

Go on then, what major policy changes were remain promising if they won?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 25, 2016

Has anybody thought that the leave result will actually in the next two or three years till we finally leave increase the number of people from the Euro coming here?

armybike · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Oh dear. You already are struggling aren't you.

I shall help you out. Your opinion lost so get over it and take the result as I'm sure you believe in democracy.

I'm not struggling at all.

You trying to deflect away from the point at hand doesn't mean the point is no longer there.

Immigration hasn't had a major impact on the current position regarding jobs, housing, access to doctors and the NHS.

You inability to demonstrate otherwise simply reinforces that this is the case.

I fully believe in democracy - however, I'm not quite sure what this has to do with you making stuff up and trying to present your opinion as fact.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Has anybody thought that the leave result will actually in the next two or three years till we finally leave increase the number of people from the Euro coming here?

Agreed but this was a long term vote in my opinion. Was for me anyway

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

chiefdave said:
Go on then, what major policy changes were remain promising if they won?

Re lifeskyblues above you.

Also I heard it was a vote to remain and change from within the eu. Press for further reform obviously next day smacked down by juncker saying no more reform possible.

Also turkey and an eu army. Taxes. More legislation.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

armybike said:
I'm not struggling at all.

You trying to deflect away from the point at hand doesn't mean the point is no longer there.

Immigration hasn't had a major impact on the current position regarding jobs, housing, access to doctors and the NHS.

You inability to demonstrate otherwise simply reinforces that this is the case.

I fully believe in democracy - however, I'm not quite sure what this has to do with you making stuff up and trying to present your opinion as fact.

I could come back at you again and prove the point but we are not going to agree and clearly in-tolerate to whoever disagrees. What's the point army bike?

armybike · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
I could come back at you again and prove the point but we are not going to agree and clearly in-tolerate to whoever disagrees. What's the point army bike?

The point is you can't prove it.

It's not about me disagreeing, it that your opinion doesn't not matching up to the facts.

Immigration is not a major impact on any of those matters.

chiefdave · Jun 25, 2016

lifeskyblue said:
Dave really? Remain were questioned on turkey...answered 'not in my lifetime'. Next day it was clear that wasn't the full story. Both sides lied...both sides found out. Neither side trusted.

I'm certainly not saying the likes of Cameron and Osbourne aren't full of BS but what would have changed with the situation with Turkey joining the EU prior to the referendum if leave had won?

Cameron has always been a supporter of Turkey in the EU but even if he was on the winning side he wouldn't be PM at the next election so its not his decision to make. Its not even the Conservatives decision to make.Turkey started negotiations to join on 3 October 2005. So far of the 35 chapters that need to be negotiated to complete the accession process 15 have been opened and only 1 has been closed. What would make anyone think they are going to be in the EU anytime soon. And even if they do agree all 35 chapters, some of which will be incredibly difficult for them to agree without major changes in Turkey, the UK, along with all other EU countries, can veto them joining. Indeed France's current policy is to veto any attempt by Turkey to join.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

armybike said:
The point is you can't prove it.

It's not about me disagreeing, it that your opinion doesn't not matching up to the facts.

Immigration is not a major impact on any of those matters.

Your opinion doesn't match the facts. So what are you saying? It's pointless back and forth between us.

You just don't get it do you.

SkyBlueSid · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
I don't want to keep them out. I want immigration controlled and within means. I accept we need immigration. It's vital but uncontrollable leads to what we have now.

Leaving the EU will not make immigration controllable. That's my view based on what I've seen in other countries. We can keep non-EU people out now - in theory. That isn't going to change. It will very probably see many who have reached the EU entering through Ireland over the huge uncontrolled land border.

You may well disagree. We shall see in the next few years how successful any government is in doing what they promise on this or anything else.

Kingokings204 · Jun 25, 2016

SkyBlueSid said:
Leaving the EU will not make immigration controllable. That's my view based on what I've seen in other countries. We can keep non-EU people out now - in theory. That isn't going to change. It will very probably see many who have reached the EU entering through Ireland over the huge uncontrolled land border.

You may well disagree. We shall see in the next few years how successful any government is in doing what they promise on this or anything else.

Fair enough. Time will tell.

armybike · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Your opinion doesn't match the facts. So what are you saying? It's pointless back and forth between us.

You just don't get it do you.

What are you on about my opinion doesn't match the facts. These will be the facts you've made up from your opinion?

I do get it - You've said you could come back and prove the point, but actually haven't.

Taking the "I could prove it, but you wouldn't agree" just further demonstrates the point - it's just your opinion and nothing more.

You can't prove your point because it's not fact.

You can search as much as you want for even a slither of proof, but you won't find it.

Immigration is not a major impact on jobs, housing, GP appointments or the NHS.

chiefdave · Jun 25, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Also I heard it was a vote to remain and change from within the eu. Press for further reform obviously next day smacked down by juncker saying no more reform possible.

The EU has been in constant change since it was formed. That's not going to come to a shuddering halt no matter what the result of the referendum. The difference now is we will be attempting to influence those changes without a seat at the table, unless you're suggesting we won't continue to trade with EU countries and therefore won't be impacted?

Kingokings204 said:
Also turkey and an eu army. Taxes. More legislation.

Turkey aren't in the EU and won't be any time soon, most likely not in my lifetime and I hope I've got a few decades left.

There isn't an EU army and there aren't any plans for one. The EU does encourage military co-operation between member states but we will still be in the UN so there will be no practical difference there. If any plan to create an EU army was put forward the UK, as a member, would have had the power to veto it, we now don't have that power. The EU have no power whatsoever over military action taken by member states. And the small matter of UK law stating that for the UK to hand power to an EU army a referendum would have to take place first. The UKs current position is to exercise its veto should any attempt be made to create an EU army.

Not sure what you're driving at with tax. Chances are we will see some form of duty on exports and some have suggested income tax may rise.

Same with legislation, what are you getting at? There will be legislation whether we are in the EU or not, we're not suddenly going to scrap everything. And of course if we want to continue to trade with the EU we will have to comply with their legislation, in a similar manner to Norway, while having no say on the legislation itself.

The Reverend Skyblue · Jun 25, 2016

Dave the only bit I disagree with is that I think Turkey will be a full member with 3/4 years.
It was part of the agreement about dealing with the refugee crisis on their borders.
That's my opinion, but something will have to happen concerning Turkeys wish to join.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Jun 25, 2016

I do think the socalled reforms David Cameron came back from Brussels with ment that the ordinary Joe in the street decided they had had enough .They did not want to want to be ruled by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in another country.People decided that politician were so out of touch and decided to show them.I do think so out of touch was Mr Corbin he should join Mr Cameron and resign.

skybluejelly · Jun 26, 2016

wouldn't surprise me if Wasps persuaded everyone to vote out ..to deflect the attention away from the fact that its obviously them that are making tesco charge for parking again....

No thats paranoia

Brylowes · Jun 26, 2016

Grendel said:
So you don't believe in democracy then?

People can vote as long as they are intelligent enough to believe what you believe.

Interesting thought process.

The working class could think for themselves 43 years ago. Now they are scum and are not allowed a voice.

Yes you are a true Europhile. Screw the masses and make them do as I say.

Whatever the topic you try to spoon feed words into people's mouths, yes an underclass
has been created and you know it.
In 1973 people used to go to work together, as well as use things we used to manufacture
things , build ships, cars, arms, heavy machinery etc forge steel, dig coal ,copper & tin
Drill oil & gas. People had a place in society, they lived in communities with shops & pubs
on every street, they socialised together and took holidays together, dare I say went to the
match together. A loyal staunchly proud people, the "working class"

Then a period of hardship, high inflation, strikes, power shortages, political and economic
uncertainty, then came Thatcherism. What followed was an all out atack on the working
class, instead of trying to help industry through a difficult time, she set about dismantling
it. In the decades that followed the once proud hardworking communities became waste
lands full of people with little hope and no future

We now have generations of families that have never worked, they are now completely
reliant on benefits, which are now being withdrawn because of austere measures
introduced after the financial meltdown caused by the deregulation of the banking
system .
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Yes I believe in democracy, I just believe decisions like this should be taken by the
democratically elected government, almost everyone I've spoken to based there
decision on immigration.

letsallsingtogether · Jun 26, 2016

About bloody time too.
We cross the road at Tescos they all drive out of there like lunatics matter of time before some one is injured.
Should have done it years ago.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 26, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
About bloody time too.
We cross the road at Tescos they all drive out of there like lunatics matter of time before some one is injured.
Should have done it years ago.

I've forgotten what the question was.

Captain Dart · Jun 26, 2016

The Reverend Skyblue said:
Dave the only bit I disagree with is that I think Turkey will be a full member with 3/4 years.
It was part of the agreement about dealing with the refugee crisis on their borders.
That's my opinion, but something will have to happen concerning Turkeys wish to join.

Don't think so, all 28 members have to agree (sorry should that be 27). I can't see Greece, Bulgaria, Romania or Cyprus agreeing. Think Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia are before Turkey in the pecking order. I think I'd be inclined to join a street protest against allowing them in if Turkey was remotely like it is today (Erdogan is a fascist theocratic anti-democrat) and it looked like their accession was on (ermm.. if UK still in EU then, I think it will be).

letsallsingtogether · Jun 26, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
I've forgotten what the question was.

It was about whether those that voted remain should be allowed to go to football in their cars, and should Europeans be allowed to play in our teams?
Shit love Brussels Sprouts hope the don't ban them too

Leamington spa sky blue · Jun 27, 2016

FFS..is it OK to park at tescos or not!!!!

armybike · Jun 27, 2016

pappleyard said:
FFS..is it OK to park at tescos or not!!!!

It appears it will be OK for CCFC games based on the following from the Arena Shopping website -

"Rihanna Concert at the Ricoh Arena

Rihanna Concert visitors to the Ricoh Arena are not permitted to park in the Arena Shopping Park Car Parking Areas. ANPR camera’s monitor all inbound and outbound movements and vehicles parked for longer than 4 hours will be charged a £100 parking fee."

http://www.arenashopping.com/find-us/

However, obviously this could be subject to change, so might be worth keeping an eye on the link.

ccfcway · Jun 27, 2016

I did wonder how a thread on parking could be so long....

Oh well, makes a change from wasps v sisu

Otis · Jun 27, 2016

ccfcway said:
I did wonder how a thread on parking could be so long....

Oh well, makes a change from wasps v sisu

Don't tell me, Wasps can park there but Sisu can't!

Leamington spa sky blue · Jun 27, 2016

The arena park web site encourages you to shop and use the car park,as long as you spend £25. No change from previous seasons

Captain Dart · Jun 27, 2016

pappleyard said:
The arena park web site encourages you to shop and use the car park,as long as you spend £25. No change from previous seasons

Which helps the local economy, even if you'd pay a bit more at Tesco than Aldi or Lidl.

ccfcway · Jun 28, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Which helps the local economy, even if you'd pay a bit more at Tesco than Aldi or Lidl.

Not according to Grendel

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