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Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Just had a look on the Bradford website.

It looks like the way they do it is that the fan pays at the start of each month and has their tickets for that month posted out to them.

Surely that way there would be no need for any sort of credit agreements etc? If they don't pay that month then they lose the benefit of having the cheaper tickets at season ticket prices and it is cancelled.

All it would need is a direct debit / standing order setup at the start of the season for a certain day every month.

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

Wouldn't have throught. At most you'd only ever be unpaid for one or two games I would have thought so shouldn't be a problem not having a credit license. Something for the SCG to suggest at the next meeting if the club say they don't have a monthly payment plan.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Surely if we had the electronic card season ticket back the monthly top up would be automatic and no posting required.
Also could the system not allow individuals to have a card and be topped up for each match as a pay per match instead of tickets.
Could it not be sent to an iphone or apple watch in the future ?
The technology is out there already.

Hobo · Apr 22, 2015

You could have the first payment in June so you could even be a couple of months in advance.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Hobo said:
You could have the first payment in June so you could even be a couple of months in advance.

Exactly. Then they finish paying say February / March time.

It saves going to a credit company.

As Italia says if the card system could be used they could be loaded on automatically without even posting the tickets.

How many more season tickets would sell if people could pay monthly for them?

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Surely if we had the electronic card season ticket back the monthly top up would be automatic and no posting required.

It was mentioned somewhere, think it might have been the SCG, that the electronic system is Wasps and at present CCFC are not being given access to it. They were hoping they could make arrangements to use it next season but I haven't heard anything since.

The problem with the old electronic cards we used is that whenever they didn't work, which was pretty often, the stewards would just let you in.

torchomatic · Apr 22, 2015

Remember too, particularly Cup games, when they used to send you to the ticket office too as the game hadn't been "loaded" on the ticket. I much prefer paper season tickets.

chiefdave said:
The problem with the old electronic cards we used is that whenever they didn't work, which was pretty often, the stewards would just let you in.

Otis · Apr 22, 2015

torchomatic said:
Remember too, particularly Cup games, when they used to send you to the ticket office too as the game hadn't been "loaded" on the ticket. I much prefer paper season tickets.

I bet you still listen to the wireless and suck on Werther's Originals.

skybluesam66 · Apr 22, 2015

Otis said:
I bet you still listen to the wireless and suck on Werther's Originals.

but you could also bluff your way in when you hadnt purchased the cup ticket!!

Warwickhunt · Apr 22, 2015

Hobo said:
You could have the first payment in June so you could even be a couple of months in advance.

One thing we forgot in this? you need staff to admister this type of initiative and currently the ticket office staff have to clean the bogs if they get any spare time

oldskyblue58 · Apr 22, 2015

I haven't checked in detail but there are new rules just come in that might mean such an arrangement doesn't require a consumer credit licence at all

http://www.fca.org.uk/firms/firm-types/consumer-credit/instalment-exemption

Monners · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Surely if we had the electronic card season ticket back the monthly top up would be automatic and no posting required.
Also could the system not allow individuals to have a card and be topped up for each match as a pay per match instead of tickets.
Could it not be sent to an iphone or apple watch in the future ?
The technology is out there already.

A top up Oyster Card type system - why not

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Monners said:
A top up Oyster Card type system - why not

The beauty of the card system is that all the turnstiles are connected to a computer database and just check you card number against what you have paid for.
I.e the card does not have to be updated with purchases it's all on the Ricoh computer.
All the ticket office does is update your access match by match on their computer.
Anybody should be able to have a card, season ticket holders or walk up, providing they have pre registered which they would need to do to get their card.

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
The beauty of the card system is that all the turnstiles are connected to a computer database and just check you card number against what you have paid for.
I.e the card does not have to be updated with purchases it's all on the Ricoh computer.
All the ticket office does is update your access match by match on their computer.
Anybody should be able to have a card, season ticket holders or walk up, providing they have pre registered which they would need to do to get their card.

We had this, it was called FlexCard. I've still got mine. They binned it, along with the cashless payment thing, as everyone kept moaning about it!

From what I understand we can't use it now as it's an ACL owned system and they aren't giving us access to it.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
We had this, it was called FlexCard. I've still got mine. They binned it, along with the cashless payment thing, as everyone kept moaning about it!

From what I understand we can't use it now as it's an ACL owned system and they aren't giving us access to it.

Who says we can't have access?
Surely sharing the cost is advantageous to both of us ?

I am talking about the old season ticket electronic card !!

ashbyjan · Apr 22, 2015

I believe this is an important issue for many supporters and will make sure it is brought up at SCG tonight and will report back clubs response

steveccfc · Apr 22, 2015

For me to renew my season ticket next season the club will have to have a montly payment set up as I wont be able to do it in one lump sum. Hoping something will be announced soon

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 22, 2015

Bradford are one of the more creative clubs when it come to ticket pricing, they also do flexi cards, basically you pay £50 a year and get half price match day tickets I think

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Who says we can't have access?

Here we go again...

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

steveccfc said:
For me to renew my season ticket next season the club will have to have a montly payment set up as I wont be able to do it in one lump sum. Hoping something will be announced soon

I can afford to just buy it but I have to think seriously about it before I do.
If it's monthly payment I would not give it a second thought.

£350 Now makes me justify it.
or £35 a month over 10 months is a no brainer.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Where's £350 from?

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
Here we go again...

Show me where they say we can't and ISTFU
Until then I will assume that SISU can't ask because "they are building us a new stadium" and can't appear to be interested in staying at the Ricoh.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
Where's £350 from?

Guess at ST price in Block 20

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Who says we can't have access?

ACL / Wasps apparently, think it was at one of the SCG meetings. Said they didn't have access to it this year and it would have taken to long to order the cards when we returned unexpectedly anyway hence paper tickets were being used. Also said they were hoping to have further discussions with Wasps to see if they could get access to the system for future seasons. Reading between the lines Wasps now own the system, as its part of ACL, and they will charge a fee for us to use it.

italiahorse said:
Surely sharing the cost is advantageous to both of us ?

What cost? The system is already in place, has been since the Ricoh opened. The cost is in ordering the cards, a small unit cost, and staff time activating cards.

italiahorse said:
I am talking about the old season ticket electronic card !!

You mean these:

They were used for season tickets and you could also buy a flexcard which cost a couple of quid from memory but got you a discount if you 'topped up' in advance of matchday. They scrapped that as it wasn't popular.

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

If they don't offer credit people could always get a 0% interest credit card, stick it on there and pay it off over a few months.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Guess at ST price in Block 20

Guess being the word

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Show me where they say we can't and ISTFU
Until then I will assume that SISU can't ask because "they are building us a new stadium" and can't appear to be interested in staying at the Ricoh.

Assume assume assume, it seems to be "We just have to ask Wasps" but as time goes on, pretty much everything is ruled out isn't it?

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
ACL / Wasps apparently, think it was at one of the SCG meetings. Said they didn't have access to it this year and it would have taken to long to order the cards when we returned unexpectedly anyway hence paper tickets were being used. Also said they were hoping to have further discussions with Wasps to see if they could get access to the system for future seasons. Reading between the lines Wasps now own the system, as its part of ACL, and they will charge a fee for us to use it.

What cost? The system is already in place, has been since the Ricoh opened. The cost is in ordering the cards, a small unit cost, and staff time activating cards.

You mean these:

They were used for season tickets and you could also buy a flexcard which cost a couple of quid from memory but got you a discount if you 'topped up' in advance of matchday. They scrapped that as it wasn't popular.

I understand this season was missed but if the system is still working they should be ready for the next season.
Wasps missed this season as well and are using paper tickets as well but they appear to be sending out tickets with barcodes for printing out yourself so there are a few options.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
Guess being the word

Nick said:
Assume assume assume, it seems to be "We just have to ask Wasps" but as time goes on, pretty much everything is ruled out isn't it?

I would sooner not state it as fact if I don't know. Surely your not that anal?

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
Assume assume assume, it seems to be "We just have to ask Wasps" but as time goes on, pretty much everything is ruled out isn't it?

So it's ruled out ? Show me !!

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
So it's ruled out ? Show me !!

As I said, as time goes on you come out with stuff where we just have to ask and we will get. Then it seems to come out it isn't the case.

shmmeee · Apr 22, 2015

Subscription service! It's the future I tell you!

stupot07 · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
I understand this season was missed but if the system is still working they should be ready for the next season.
Wasps missed this season as well and are using paper tickets as well but they appear to be sending out tickets with barcodes for printing out yourself so there are a few options.

I get the benefits for ST holders, but don't see the point for walk ups or ad hoc attendees. Nothing wrong with paper, as long as there's 0% finance options which I'm sure there will be, as we have it before with Zebra Finance(?).

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
We had this, it was called FlexCard. I've still got mine. They binned it, along with the cashless payment thing, as everyone kept moaning about it!

From what I understand we can't use it now as it's an ACL owned system and they aren't giving us access to it.

I'd hope getting access to the electronic ticketing system is one of the simpler conversations needed to be had, shouldn't access to it be covered in rent/match day costs?

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

CCFC said:
I'd hope getting access to the electronic ticketing system is one of the simpler conversations needed to be had, shouldn't access to it be covered in rent/match day costs?

Maybe not if you have negotiated a 100K rental with some incomes.
I would not have thought there would be much cost though as its already there.
Implications for both ticket office staff though as duplication usually results in job losses (cost savings)

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