Sterling got some god crosses in feom by line. 2 of them met with headersI think my assessment might of been more reflective of yours.
Sterling could of helped Thomas far more on the overlap in the second half by being a willing runner. He lacked desire and looked lame frankly. Davies while still relatively poor by his standards was actually active. Clearly lacked match sharpness, what was Sterling’s excuse?
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I'm not sure why Bayliss is getting some of the higher marks.
Good things:
One good tackle
2 good passes
A goal
Bad things:
The other 89 minutes
Pussying out of tackles
Pussying out of headers
Constantly giving the ball away
Hiding after they scored
Leaving Kelly to manage the midfield on his own
I don't think he's up to playing in central midfield at all.
Sterling got some god crosses in feom by line. 2 of them met with headers
Davies didnt win 1 header all game. Wa spuahed off ball easily and shite paasing
He waa only bettee than burge
But 1 is a tehcnical player feom chelsea. The other is a clogger from non league. We know whixh u like
We weren't that bad tbfOh it’s never nice coming in here when expectations are high. Today was poor, Burge especially, but ‘spineless cowards’ and 2’s and 3’s all over the place is about standard for reactionary fans who are livid
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Burge 5
Sterling 6
Willis 6
Davies 5
Mason 5
Kelly 6 (poor ball retention at times but kept us going)
Bright 5
Bayliss 6
Thomas 6
Bakayoko 5
Hiwula 5
Subs
Shipley 5
Grimmer n/a
Difficult opposition but we came back well from a goal down and the sending off killed momentum, our lack of attacking options is worrying
Robins 6 - would prefer a bit more adventure with 10 men but can't blame him for us losing the game
Agree with a lot of this. Would personally have Kelly a bit higher, Bayliss a bit lower (he struggles to put together a full game. Is this because he needs a better team to show himself in, will it come with experience, or is he overhyped? We'll see!). Not sure Shipley did anything of note either, mind.I thought we were pretty poor, and Burton whilst not spectacular, managed to cut us open at ease. Yes ref was poor, and yes Burge made a huge error. But we were Still poor
Burge 3 - awful mistake. Probably Our best player before xmas but has been error probe since then.
Sterling 4 - poor game by his standards, didnt offer much going forward and had a torrid time against their winger
Willis 5 - Didnt look comfortable, some woeful passing at times
Davies 3 - got schooled by Adkins.
Mason 3 - clueless past the halfway line. Not helped by not having a proper winger in front of him.
Kelly 4 - nowhere near the benchmark hes set himself. Partially at fault for the goal.
Bayliss 6 - MOTM kept trying to make Things happen after a quiet start
Thomas 3 - no end product. He is as Much to blame for the loss as Burbrigbtu cannot keep missing chances like that.
Bright 3 - yes he has great feet, and Played 1 good ball. But was a passenger for most of the game. Constantly slows the game down. Showpony.
Hiwula 4 - looked better up front. Offers nothing from open play on the left wing.
Baka 3 - isolated by anonymous. He Should take a long look at how Adkins used his body and strength to get involved and protect thr ball.
Subs
Shipley 5.5 - lots of mistakes but at least played with some urgency and moved the ball quickly.
Grimmer n/a
Robins 2 - got his tactics wrong
Ref 1 - 0
Ref 2 - 0
Fans 0 - whilst loud it was a toxic atmosphere.
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Do you have any fucking clue what was going on at Leyton orient that season?Why have we got David Meyler on loan if you are not going to give him a run in the team big mistake in my opinion.He is an international player being kept out by someone who got relegated with Leyton Orient to the conference.
Do you have any fucking clue what was going on at Leyton orient that season?
No I don't have a fricking clue.What is the point in having a good player on loan and not playing him I think he would have a calming presence.Im not slagging Kelly off just think Meyler is a better option.All opinions are different.Do you have any fucking clue what was going on at Leyton orient that season?
I don't come on the forum that much now and I think Kelly isn't that bad of a player just think Meyler is a better option.IMOThat comment from coop is ridiculous. He's had to wait 3 months for Kelly to have a 5/10 game before he could say it though!
I'm not sure why Bayliss is getting some of the higher marks.
Good things:
One good tackle
2 good passes
A goal
Bad things:
The other 89 minutes
Pussying out of tackles
Pussying out of headers
Constantly giving the ball away
Hiding after they scored
Leaving Kelly to manage the midfield on his own
I don't think he's up to playing in central midfield at all.
Nope just always stick up for the bullied harassed and target of abuse. It’s part of my dna. I am well aware that I was brought up watching oggy keep us up literally single handedly in the premiership and since then I think Westwood is the only keeper that has done the same job consistently every other keeper has had major flaws since oggy retired. I know just how much confidence plays a part and I think Burge is a big confidence player. We have no choice between now and the rest of the season and the reality is he mostly kicks straight and he is a good passer of the ball. The stats would show 90 plus percent but you need 100%. Same with crosses when he chooses to come the stats will show 90% but you need 100%. He stays rooted to his line as he is risk averse and I can’t blame him. He’s currently playing a don’t blame me game rather than a look at how bold I am. So last night after the goal he came charging off his line to clear. Excellent but I’ll bet Grendel and the knuckle draggers can’t even recall it. Even last night I reckon out of his hand he didn’t mess up once and off the floor I can recall one pass to Davies straight out and the goal. After the goal it felt like the worst kind of workplace bullying imaginable but hey he’s a professional so we can treat him like shit and he’ll what play better????? Course he won’t.. and what if robins offers him another contract what then? If I was Burge I’d say fuck off. It’s not as bad debating on here as at the ground.
Can you or anyone tell me of an occasion where someone telling you you were shit and booing you and not trusting you or not valuing you has ever had one positive effect?
He won the ball a good 2-3 times, and his pass to Thomas should’ve ended in a goal. Had Thomas stuck it away, 2-1 up and Bayliss is probably getting rated 8 or 9s by most.
So says Grendel.The difference is I got a decent job as I’m good at it
If that was the case I'd then argue most of our fans are blindsided.
Going forward is a small percentage of a central midfielders game. All other aspects he is very poor at. Also, if you're saying he won the ball '2 or 3' times during the game then that isn't really something to be boasting about.
I agree .... but all of those are out of our budget.I’m not talking about signing him, I’m using his position as an example. There are 3 goalkeepers preferred ahead of him. Myhill is only second choice at West Brom. Andy Lonergan who is a good keeper is not in the running at Middlesbrough I think. These are back up keeper in the championship, all far better than Burge. If they can’t make 2nd Choice, Burge has no chance. He’s not fit to lace their boots
Perhaps the most irrational and stupid thing I have ever read.Yes I can - when it happened to me I called my laughably inept manager into a room and showed backed up evidence of prejudice bullying and harassment said I disliked them more then they dislike me and if it carries on I’d drag them through HR and make their life a misery
A week of silence and another conversation. Let’s cut to the chase ive had a conversation with someone else and I’m starting another job in 6 weeks as people value me and no one respects you
I loved it
We had 10 men
A goal and an assist would be though...
SOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).Nail on head
Pussies can call crowd toxic but its gone too far now. I havr seen ricoh applaud team ans vurge soon aa his mistake cost us a goal
But he does it 6 or 7 times a season. Fans have had enough
HE NEEDS TO GO. The fans have spoken
He's been culpable for more by not claiming or commanding the 6 yard box. We've conceded so many one yard tap ins because he's not dealt with stuff that should be simple bread and butter goalkeepingSOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).
Or, to put it in a way in which you light understand xyahnnsn erom,ddkkf riikwem dolwe, sdp sole rkks?
I can't defend Burge's performance last night but how some of our idiot fans think jeering a keeper midgame is helpful is beyond me.
Bright was abysmal. Equally culpable in my eyes. I called it at half time and said he should be taken out if the firing line. Good feet but holds it too long, wayward passing in poor areas and rash in the tackle - similar v Walsall too. He looks like he has that in him and a liability in waiting when on a yellow.
Can't believe people blaming Thomas. A good move and unlucky to come back off the post, possibly should have scored but couldn't predict what would follow and ran his socks off.
In the middle Bayliss good finish but bottled challenges and Kelly was very poor in passing and decision making but still broke up play well.
Davies rusty at the back but Willis was my motm yet again. Mason reasonable Dujon ok but didn't seem interested.
Up front didn't really do much but then our service to them was pretty woeful.
Shipley was more involved when he came on and I wouldn't blame him for the free kick he's getting stick for. Should have lumped it in the middle but one they've worked on and Thomas didn't execute. I'd start him on Tuesday and go 442 with Hiwula more central next to Baka.
Slightly Different players mate Kelly breaks play up Meyler is more of a ball playing central midfielderI don't come on the forum that much now and I think Kelly isn't that bad of a player just think Meyler is a better option.IMO
Should of won it Bayliss fucks up for their first burge hands them their second shame really with a proper striker & decent keeper we could be well inside them play off spotsDespite all of the criticisms and low ratings we could have won that game without playing any better
The last few sentences.make more sense than blaming outfield players for burges mistake vs walsall lmaoSOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).
Or, to put it in a way in which you might understand - xyahnnsn erom,ddkkf riikwem dolwe, sdp sole rkks?
Your latest scapegoat, like Murphy. You ain't got a clueIf that was the case I'd then argue most of our fans are blindsided.
Going forward is a small percentage of a central midfielders game. All other aspects he is very poor at. Also, if you're saying he won the ball '2 or 3' times during the game then that isn't really something to be boasting about.
I tried to put it in a way you might understand. I have not blamed the forwards for Burge's mistake (and it was undeniably dreadful) at Walsall.The last few sentences.make more sense than blaming outfield players for burges mistake vs walsall lmao
Your latest scapegoat, like Murphy. You ain't got a clue
Come on. A pro goalie should be able to kick a ball away with either footYes Burge did make a mistake but so did Kelly., he passed it onto Burges right foot instead of his left not only that it would have been safer passing it to Burges left as well! Kelly has always played the ball backwards when they pressure him and the opposition know that as well
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