There WILL be people with very high points who occasionally come across a game they physically cannot get to. They will still buy for the points, to keep growing (unfairly and unethically in this case) their advantage.
But that's my point. You can be on 1700 without doing those trips.It's no argument. It was just the same for those on 1700+ at some point. They ''HAD to be making trips like Hull on a Monday night'' to get those points. They didn't just get 1700+ by buying 4 season tickets, they got them by attending plenty of games over a sustained period. Someone on 1200 points now has got to put in the graft to pick up more points, and it's quite frankly tough if it doesn't fit in around their life.
It certainly isn't easy for many of us. But those who are able to put the effort in and actually do put the effort in should be rewarded. There's always going to be people unhappy whatever they do. But at least we have a fair system in place.It's no argument. It was just the same for those on 1700+ at some point. They ''HAD to be making trips like Hull on a Monday night'' to get those points. They didn't just get 1700+ by buying 4 season tickets, they got them by attending plenty of games over a sustained period. Someone on 1200 points now has got to put in the graft to pick up more points, and it's quite frankly tough if it doesn't fit in around their life.
I'm not so sure. Will people be paying £50-60 to go too Arsenal or Man Ure etc to watch us get smashed every week? Probably sell out the first half of the season then it start to tale off a bit.It certainly isn't easy for many of us. But those who are able to put the effort in and actually do put the effort in should be rewarded. There's always going to be people unhappy whatever they do. But at least we have a fair system in place.
If we make it to the Prem it will get worse. That's the price we pay for success.
First season I would imagine a scramble for tickets each game. So many grounds we haven't been to for a quarter of a centuryI'm not so sure. Will people be paying £50-60 to go too Arsenal or Man Ure etc to watch us get smashed every week? Probably sell out the first half of the season then it start to tale off a bit.
I'm not so sure. Will people be paying £50-60 to go too Arsenal or Man Ure etc to watch us get smashed every week? Probably sell out the first half of the season then it start to tale off a bit.
But that's the exact same as just getting the last 4 season tickets. So Birmingham has nothing to do with it.Yes but if you renewed straight after then there’s another 230 to quickly return closer to the original figure
I personally disagree, if you live in Leamington you should be above the points system.I'd say two people with a combined points tally of 600 getting Oxford tickets or someone on 1100 guaranteed a Luton ticket because they've paid 20 quid to join a supporters club is more of an issue than someone in the higher bracket moving on a ticket and getting the points for it.
Punts system in Leamington & Stratford... much higher strata!I personally disagree, if you live in Leamington you should be above the points system.
Only get an extra 10 if the floodlights are on!Just looked at the sale dates and points, thought people would have got 20 points not 10 as it being a bank holiday
Its four weeks before for this part of the season, so should be announced this weekendOn a different matter, when will we know for certain the kick off time for Luton away, as regards the potential for tv coverage? I’m looking to book a hotel (we live near Newcastle and are travelling home from a holiday in Cornwall), and would be grateful for any info.
It’s a difficult one. I know we’ve done it to death a number of times on here, but everyone will always want a system that favours themselves over the majority so they can go when they choose to. Unfortunately that’s not how life works. We’re fortunate that we have high points and do use things like annual leave to go to games, I appreciate it’s not for everyone and does cost us lots of our disposable income. I think lots of it has been driven by new teams, small allocations and those we’ve not played for a long time. Also when we know it will sell, there is more of a ‘fear of missing out’ mentality. If we don’t go up in the play-offs, then I can see lots of them being much lower points than this season and more games going to general sale.
I am also again going to defend the supporters clubs. I know it’s widely thought on here that I have skin in the game, but the truth is I’ve not been a member of W&L since before Covid. They are very different now to then and are run by different people, but they do put lots of money in to sponsor games and players and like any of the box holders who also get priority, they get more for giving more as in many walks of life. I also know the club have tightened up on them only allowing season ticket holders and generally I believe lots of those do go to almost all the games and will have high points anyway, but takes some of the hassle out.
There are exceptions of course, so I do understand others frustrations when they miss out, although I suspect if they removed the SC allocations, the points they sell at would be similar it would just mean them sorting their own instead of through a SC. There were also no complaints of course for L&W and N&B in L2 when nobody else wanted to go, I’m sure the stick they get is because they were the first ones in the new era. I don’t think I’m being too dramatic when I say that bond forged between the players then and the clubs, was a small part responsible for togetherness and that the club wouldn’t be in the same position it is today without those early green shoots of recovery and success. Arguably SC’s are less important now than they were then, but memberships are a group of like minded who regularly travel together.
For those complaining, if you genuinely think it’s that easy then why not pay to join your local one? I do know that some of the smaller allocations where spaces are limited, that clubs have limited their allocation to those who have travelled with them the most in the past, so it’s not just asking for as many tickets as they want and are allocated a maximum uptake, but if you go with them regularly, you can enjoy the benefits of guaranteeing on those smaller allocations.
So you're agreeing that you've had to go all the way around the country, home and away, spending thousands of pounds to get 1700+ points. I agree.But that's my point. You can be on 1700 without doing those trips.
4 season ST gives you 920, add a home cup game a year, 1000. 700/4 = 175 so that's like 11/12 saturday away games and 3 midweek ones per season. You can skip the midweek Hull/Plymouth/Sunlun trips.
We're not at the "closed shop" point yet because as someone has demonstrated, the majority of games go to fairly low points totals/GS. But if we got promoted we could be.
The ones moaning will carrying on moaning until the end of the time. They think matches should be played in their back garden100% agree they were there in L2, always there to be fair to them.
But of the 2 examples I gave, the couple who got the Oxford tickets weren't, far from it.
I genuinely don't care about it even though I've raised it but I just think if people want to make an issue about the distribution of tickets this is far more unfair than a system where points accrued relates to games attended.
I thought I'd drop out of the top tier this season but haven't, but I probably will next season, and if that's the case I have no issue with the people who are in it getting first chance.
It's also a bit galling how this only ever becomes an issue when there's high profile away games.
People have had plenty of opportunity to get points in games that have made general sale or haven't even sold out.
Thanks, much appreciated!Its four weeks before for this part of the season, so should be announced this weekend
Starting that high does sort of give off that ‘closed shop’ vibe, and I’m all for the points system FWIW.
There WILL be people with very high points who occasionally come across a game they physically cannot get to. They will still buy for the points, to keep growing (unfairly and unethically in this case) their advantage.
Why ?
So, last season I managed to go to Home Park on 14/2/24. I had fewer points than I have this season. I have been to several away games but have missed out on many, not been able to go to, some due to other circumstances.Bloody hell, we’re getting further and further from the point, forget it.
To be fair, I definitely know people who have bought tickets with the pure intention to pass them on. Can debate all day on whether that is right.I have enough points. I won't be buying tickets as I have chosen to go to Hull instead.
Pretty sick of this bullshit; accusing those with high points of just buying the tickets and not going.
To be fair, I definitely know people who have bought tickets with the pure intention to pass them on. Can debate all day on whether that is right.
However, the people doing this are massively in the minority. 99% of people on high points have got them because they have attended matches up and down the country in the middle of the week which others choose not to.
As for people who sell, what is the point? Points don't have a cash value, so I can't see what they get out of it.
Here’s why.
When the away club sells tickets for a tenner a time and you get 20 points towards the system it means that you keep the points and some other supporter pays for it(Darn, can’t make the game but you can have it at cost price). it’s cost you nothing. Just kept the points topped up nicely.
Away games for a tenner? Have you been since 1992?
Gets you a Luton ticket, a PO SF away game ticketStill doesn't make sense. And not every ticket is a tenner, you know. Maybe a kids if you're lucky.
So you have 60 billion points after buying tickets and not going to the game. What do you do with them?
You’ve really got it in for this couple! Who was it? (Wrong answers only)100% agree they were there in L2, always there to be fair to them.
But of the 2 examples I gave, the couple who got the Oxford tickets weren't, far from it.
But because of that 1% getting the most attention, the mistrust grows to think that it is a much higher proportion. That's where the "closed shop" comments come from, completely disregarding the fact that a notable amount of games go to 500 points or lower.I'm sure there are. There are shoplifters too but 99% of us can use supermarkets without nicking anything.
The main difference is the odd few on here moaning and complaining constantly about it. Snide "closed shop" comments.
I can go tonight and I'll be able to go to Luton because I went to Burnley mid week, Sunderland, Bristol City twice and Hull on a Monday in a couple of weeks. Same reason I was able to go to Oxford.
I guarantee the same arguments will surface when Luton tickets are released.
As for people who sell, what is the point? Points don't have a cash value, so I can't see what they get out of it.
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