PLYMOUTH FALLOUT (1 Viewer)

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

I think I remember that… at the west terrace end.

The 1 I remember was Kop end and when he picked it out of the net he looked straight at the kop and said to us "and I'll let the next 1 in ".Was to do with Dave Sexton leaving.How Don Howe (sorry about the pun ) brought him come back or he even wanted to come on loan i'll never know?

 

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[Warwickhunt]

I think I remember that… at the west terrace end.

I do as well!

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

I seriously think people will turn around and go home if Collins is on that team sheet.

No chance.You might along with many more not want him to play but the guy doesn't pick himself, blame anyone blame FL he plcks the team.

 

[rob9872]

The 1 I remember was Kop end and when he picked it out of the net he looked straight at the kop and said to us "and I'll let the next 1 in ".Was to do with Dave Sexton leaving.How Don Howe (sorry about the pun ) brought him come back or he even wanted to come on loan i'll never know?

I remember when he came back. He'd been at Villa and Utd on top of what happened before wouldn't have been popular despite him being respected keeper at the level, but he diffused it by coming out last, ran to the edge of the box and put his arms in the air took the pantomime boos, laughed at it and then put in a solid performance. I think may have kept a clean sheet but can't remember.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Mainly aimed at Collins

Sarcastic cheering when he caught the ball
Shouting 'You're shit ahhhhh' at goal kicks
Booing when he played the ball short

Hardly going to help the team is it

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That's embarrassing

 

[Jamesimus]

I seriously think people will turn around and go home if Collins is on that team sheet.

Will be a shame if we can’t field a full first 11 and have to forfeit.

 

[pusbccfc]

I seriously think people will turn around and go home if Collins is on that team sheet.

I may not go home, but staying in the pub will be very tempting.

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

We go into games hoping our keeper and defendera don't completely capitulate and fucking ruin it for everyone.

They ain't fucking good enough Doug it's simple as that, Replace Dasilva, replace Binks, replace Thomas, never play Collins again, watch us fly up the table.

Football isn't rocket science.

 

[Hutch11]

Not going home if Collins is starting and wouldn't dream of booing any of our players
But if he does start there'll be a £100 bet on Plymouth to help ease the pain

 

[SBT]

I seriously think people will turn around and go home if Collins is on that team sheet.

Bizarre behaviour - it’s just social media grandstanding of course.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Not that I agree with that sort of thing, but he looked like he couldn't have given any less of a shit and he was smiling and joking around straight after the final whistle.

If I was a pro, I wouldn't listen to a group of people who can barely make it up a set of stairs without being out of breath.

Missed this game, but my mate who was there, thought he was close to tears. Very surprised if he starts.

 

[SBT]

Missed this game, but my mate who was there, thought he was close to tears. Very surprised if he starts.

That’s nonsense.

Supposedly he’s starting on Boxing Day.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

That’s nonsense.

Supposedly he’s starting on Boxing Day.

How can it be nonsense that he thought that? He could be wrong, of course.

 

[Adge]

Missed this game, but my mate who was there, thought he was close to tears. Very surprised if he starts.

That’s just his general demeanor-looks like a miserable bastard all the time and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him smile.
The point at the minute seems to be booing v’s not booing and everyone of course is entitled to do what they like if they have payed their money. It will be seen as counterproductive if you boo but his performance on Saturday was unacceptable. Up until that point people have been more than tolerable with his ineptitude over a sustained period of time but I’m afraid for myself and many others, Saturday’s farce was one too many and I hope he never plays for us again and think this is best for all parties as I can’t see him recovering.

 

[Hutch11]

Been saying for ages that both Wilson and Collins are poor keepers just that Wilson is slightly less so
We have to go with Dovin and stick with him for the foreseeable, he has to be the best of the 3 surely

 

[Chris1987]

There is a real sense of perspective to be had. If you're being utter shit at your job week in week out you're sacked and undoubtedly get loads of abuse thrown at you along the way. Difference with Collins JDS etc is that they're paid shit loads in comparison to those that spend a significantly high proportion of their income following them every game and don't get sacked. They get the praise when it's going well too.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Been saying for ages that both Wilson and Collins are poor keepers just that Wilson is slightly less so
We have to go with Dovin and stick with him for the foreseeable, he has to be the best of the 3 surely

Wilson is an extrovert, Collins seems an introvert. You'd expect most keepers to be extroverts, as it takes a certain sort to want to play there. I don't mind Wilson, but I do struggle with Collins. As Wilson is not long back from injury, he probably needs to give Dovin a run, although the left hand side of the defence ( in particular) needs sorting imo. Regardless, Frank Lampard's Coventry will beat Wayne Rooney's Plymouth on Boxing Day, and all will be well for a day or two. Merry Xmas!

 

[wingy]

Been saying for ages that both Wilson and Collins are poor keepers just that Wilson is slightly less so
We have to go with Dovin and stick with him for the foreseeable, he has to be the best of the 3 surely

Not hardy enough I'd think, successful team but one struggling near the bottom?
Of course it could go the other way and be the making of him,god knows what he must be thinking having come here.

 

[robbiekeane]

The point at the minute seems to be booing v’s not booing and everyone of course is entitled to do what they like if they have payed their money.

it’s just fucking stupid though isn’t it.

Do you want your team to win? Yes

Does booing your goalkeeper risk making things worse? Yes

Does that reduce the chances we win? Yes


our fans have never been the smartest but that this is hard to understand is a new one for me

 

[torchomatic]

our fans have never been the smartest but that this is hard to understand is a new one for me

Totally agree. The way some of the thick fuckers were behaving around me on Saturday was quite disgusting. No player should get that kind of abuse.

I think of these kind of morons "fans of the club" rather than "supporters of the team ".

 

[Ring Of Steel]

it’s just fucking stupid though isn’t it.

Do you want your team to win? Yes

Does booing your goalkeeper risk making things worse? Yes

Does that reduce the chances we win? Yes


our fans have never been the smartest but that this is hard to understand is a new one for me

just another sign we are no longer the fans we were- demanding of instant success, looking for sackings at the first run of bad form- we’re just the same as everyone else now.

 

[TomRad85]

Most people tend to agree Collins should be benched but if he isn't there quite obviously a reason isn't there. He has to feel lifted before kick off not fucking booed by a bunch of mindless cretins, but then our ground is full of people who abuse even our best players so I don't hold out much hope.

 

[TomRad85]

just another sign we are no longer the fans we were- demanding of instant success, looking for sackings at the first run of bad form- we’re just the same as everyone else now.

Give over our stadium has always had a bunch of fucking morons on it ffs. The crowd hasn't slipped away and been replaced by a new one with Robins for goodness sake.

 

[clint van damme]

Give over our stadium has always had a bunch of fucking morons on it ffs. The crowd hasn't slipped away and been replaced by a new one with Robins for goodness sake.

He's got a point.
May be the same fanbase but there's definitely been a change in attitude.
Was inevitable I suppose but still a shame.

 

[TomRad85]

He's got a point.
May be the same fanbase but there's definitely been a change in attitude.
Was inevitable I suppose but still a shame.

Well there's definitely some that would be almost gleeful if Lampard failed for sure but they deserve about as much attention as 'Haji Shite' crowd.

 

[clint van damme]

Well there's definitely some that would be almost gleeful if Lampard failed for sure but they deserve about as much attention as 'Haji Shite' crowd.

Nah, it's more than that. Pre dates any talk of Robins going.
But when you get to the brink of promotion, finally splash some cash and get record ST sales year on year expectations are bound to change.

Be good if we could get back to the atmosphere at the CBS we had in our first season back after St Andrews/covid, and the away atmosphere could do with picking up again. Not been great.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Give over our stadium has always had a bunch of fucking morons on it ffs. The crowd hasn't slipped away and been replaced by a new one with Robins for goodness sake.

I don’t know why you’re getting so defensive, its a fact, and it was inevitable really.

 

[TomRad85]

Nah, it's more than that. Pre dates any talk of Robins going.
But when you get to the brink of promotion, finally splash some cash and get record ST sales year on year expectations are bound to change.

Be good if we could get back to the atmosphere at the CBS we had in our first season back after St Andrews/covid, and the away atmosphere could do with picking up again. Not been great.

OK fair, on that more ST sales means more morons. Its a problem you want. Unfortunately if a large amount of people bought tickets just because they hoped for a tilt at promotion then I guess they are going to be a bit pissed off.
From a business point of view the home form has been unacceptable, that's the main reason I keep saying it needs sorting asap. You want those sales, idiots or not.

 

[clint van damme]

OK fair, on that more ST sales means more morons. Its a problem you want. Unfortunately if a large amount of people bought tickets just because they hoped for a tilt at promotion then I guess they are going to be a bit pissed off.
From a business point of view the home form has been unacceptable, that's the main reason I keep saying it needs sorting asap. You want those sales, idiots or not.

Yeah, I'd hate a drop off because I do enjoy games much more with 25k plus crowds.

A lot of the 'new' ST holders I know were attendees who would go to a few games a year who've now gone all in so they're not new supporters as such .

 

[Ring Of Steel]

OK fair, on that more ST sales means more morons. Its a problem you want. Unfortunately if a large amount of people bought tickets just because they hoped for a tilt at promotion then I guess they are going to be a bit pissed off.
From a business point of view the home form has been unacceptable, that's the main reason I keep saying it needs sorting asap. You want those sales, idiots or not.

There used to be a togetherness, a sense of identity, there would be noise whether we were winning or losing, it was like really being a part of something, and promotion tilts came along off the back of it, not the other way round. Now we just sit there expecting the promotion tilt and instead of turning up and having the place rocking from the 1st minute, we’re back to the old rhetoric of ‘give us something to shout about first’. I’d say the atmosphere the CBS used to drum up was worth a goal on its own. Very different now, because now, as you say, a big chunk of people see it as a transaction- “I’ve paid my money now entertain me and win and I’ll sit here until you do that”. A good run of results could change it all, so let’s see.

 

[TomRad85]

There used to be a togetherness, a sense of identity, there would be noise whether we were winning or losing, it was like really being a part of something, and promotion tilts came along off the back of it, not the other way round. Now we just sit there expecting the promotion tilt and instead of turning up and having the place rocking from the 1st minute, we’re back to the old rhetoric of ‘give us something to shout about first’. I’d say the atmosphere the CBS used to drum up was worth a goal on its own. Very different now, because now, as you say, a big chunk of people see it as a transaction- “I’ve paid my money now entertain me and win and I’ll sit here until you do that”. A good run of results could change it all, so let’s see.

Smaller crowd that are used to coughing up money to watch the team whether it's shite or not are obviously more together than a swollen more expectant crowd, its totally normal and it's a problem you want in reality.
The St Andrews crowd was the most together I've ever seen but I'm not sure I want to go back.

 

[Adge]

Yeah, I'd hate a drop off because I do enjoy games much more with 25k plus crowds.

A lot of the 'new' ST holders I know were attendees who would go to a few games a year who've now gone all in so they're not new supporters as such .

Absolutely! But then of course some will real out the old”preferred it in L2 when it was the hardcore and 8,9000 of us were rattling around in the stadium”.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Smaller crowd that are used to coughing up money to watch the team whether it's shite or not are obviously more together than a swollen more expectant crowd, its totally normal and it's a problem you want in reality.
The St Andrews crowd was the most together I've ever seen but I'm not sure I want to go back.

That’s exactly why I said it was inevitable.

 

[TomRad85]

That’s exactly why I said it was inevitable.

You're making out its a bad thing though? Most people prefer the atmosphere of a fullish house whether they think the fans are 'together' or not. It's also financially important we keep those crowds.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You're making out it’s a bad thing though? Most people prefer the atmosphere of a fullish house whether they think the fans are 'together' or not. It's also financially important we keep those crowds.

They’re two separate things. Obviously cash is king, and it’s the way the game is going- Premier League games are not noted for their passionate atmospheres, but they are licenses to print money. Financially obviously it is better.

But from a ‘purist’ point of view it’s not so clear cut- can we really say that it’s a more enjoyable match with 28,000 mostly silent spectators than with 23,000 raising the roof? I’m not so sure. I’m not disagreeing with you and I may be wrong, but I’m not so sure that a heavy majority- if money wasn’t important- would rather the former than the latter.