At the meeting I had one non sisu related attendee co formed that Haskell was never ever going to buy the club - never had enough equity. Your not a great judge of character are you?
“There is no prospect of us returning to the former landlord/tenant relationship with ACL, a company which bled the club dry for many years over two generations of owners, and wilfully sought to damage the club with actions which led to needless points deductions over the last two seasons"
Depends - he may have offered a pound for ACL in which case yes.
At the meeting I had one non sisu related attendee co formed that Haskell was never ever going to buy the club - never had enough equity. Your not a great judge of character are you?
Interesting comment. Who made this statement, someone that was involved on the ACL / CCC / PH4 side? Did they give any evidence to back this up or was it just their opinion?
What was their implication in this, that he would purchase the Ricoh but not the team or that the whole thing was a non starter?
There were several people on here who questioned Haskells ability to secure a deal.
He has been involved in a number of supposed takeovers of football clubs which came to nothing. The most telling comment was from Brendan Guilfoyle, the councils preferred choice of administrator who expressed a few Haskell had nowhere near enough funding to purchase Leeds. Also remember Joe Elliot was adamant Haskell would buy imto ACL without the club. What happened to that? Where is he now?
What on earth was Guilfoyle doing there, surely he would have needed to be paid to be spending his time at something like this?
It's a bit of a leap from Guilfoyle saying he didn't think he had enough money (it wasn't him alone anyway was it, wasn't he the front man for a consortium) to asserting as fact that he was never going to buy the club. Not sure how helpful it is when people presenting themselves as 'in the know' put things like this out as factual statements. Why was PK4 even being talked about, he wandered off a long time ago, what relevance does he have to things now?
He wasn't there. I am referring to an interview with Shane O Connor.
Do you think that the CCFC administration process was handled well?
We have gone a little off track.
I do believe two points in relevance to Sisu's case at the JR or future court actions.
1) claimed eviction from the Ricoh.
2) rental offers that seemed to be ignored and not acknowledged.
The only thing for definate is that if the JR finds in favour that the Council Used public funds to diasadvatage another company! it will be ruled that ACL will have to pay back the £14 million loan with immediate effect- But as you said they will also find that SISU were party to CCFC leaving the RICOH on its own valition and SISU would get no compensation awarded. However it could lead to SISU buying out the debt of ACL to which they would become the owners.You are right it has gone off track
It seems it is possible that if a person or company win a JR. If their behaviour leading to the unfair decision taken by the public body was deemed unreasonable, then the judge can use his discretion not to apply any remedy in regards to the original action taken by the public body.
I may stand corrected but I don't think there is a single person here who argues that SISU's behaviour has not contributed to this situation.
So this could be quite relevant even if they do win.
Do you think that the CCFC administration process was handled well?
So who was it at the meeting you attended that confirmed PH4 was never a genuine prospect?
My personal opinion is that there are questions over the way it was handled and in particular things like the lack of investigation into the transferring out of all assets and Appletons insistence that he couldn't confirm to interested parties what they would or wouldn't be purchasing as it wasn't clear what was under what company while evidence was being leaked to the press that indicated this wasn't particularly difficult to work out. The FA and FL had a big hand in the confusion, the suspicion being that they were attempting to avoid admitting to their own shortcomings.
Obviously hard to know for sure with limited information but looking on from outside it did appear to be run in a strange manner to say the least!
This indicates to me and with the seppala interview given to the CET before this offer, it's just a personal feud and to quote seppala " this isn't to distress ACL as even if they went bust then they can sell to whoever and CCC candidate to whom. "
I actually agree with her on this as there is so much hatred now that sisu will never own the Ricoh period. I can 100% assure every SBT man that sisu will never own the Ricoh. It won't happen and sisu know this or must know this. I really see them running out of options and The JR is one last throw of the dice even if it's worth it. The fact is sisu have mismanaged the whole situation and have only themselves to blame as it stops with them. If I make a mistake it's my fault not someone else's.
Fans get caught up in this shit and it's horrible. I see sisu running off after the JR or something has to give. They can't continue at Northampton losing more and more Fans from the few that remain and losing millions. This won't happen as they can't keep losing as any business can't keep losing millions. Surely.
The only thing for definate is that if the JR finds in favour that the Council Used public funds to diasadvatage another company! it will be ruled that ACL will have to pay back the £14 million loan with immediate effect.
Which one do you mean?
Do you mean the one where Appleton couldn't find the golden share and where players hadn't been moved when SISU made out that they had?
The only reason he was mentioned was because I asked a question about potential buyers.
Of course he never approached the club direct but did host some fans forum of his own.
My personal view is that his involvement was distracting and damaging at a crucial time. The council would have had an interest due to his property development background. This, again, in my view was unhelpful and a dostraction.
We can only comment that his track record is:
Made 3 (or it 4) attempt to purchase clubs and failed in all of them
Was perfectly happy with the bidding process at CCFC
Did not seem to follow through any interest in buying a share of ACL despite joe Elliot stating he would persue this
Has not made any contact with the club and attempted to resurrect any interest
I guess all should judge on actions not words
I mean the one where PH4 stated he was happy with process.
What was the use of bidding for nothing but a rental agreement and debts run up by SISU and not get the football club?
Is that directed at me or Joe Elliot?
The only thing for definate is that if the JR finds in favour that the Council Used public funds to diasadvatage another company! it will be ruled that ACL will have to pay back the £14 million loan with immediate effect- But as you said they will also find that SISU were party to CCFC leaving the RICOH on its own valition and SISU would get no compensation awarded. However it could lead to SISU buying out the debt of ACL to which they would become the owners.
Is Joe on here?
Not that I know of so it must be you.
Virtually no one believes in the much fabled new ground
He wasn't there. I am referring to an interview with Shane O Connor.
Do you think that the CCFC administration process was handled well?
To be honest I'm in a state of shock that you agree with me ACL is worthless without the club. What changed your mind?
Rent is not the issue.
Rent and Services Charges are.
ACL seem at best incompetent.
Assuming the outcome of the JR is that the Council acted improperly.
Possible action against the Politicians. They could be sued.
Order that the loan be re paid.
Can not believe any other commercial lender would take over, so ACL go bust, Administrator sells assets, major one is lease of the Ricoh.
As a business what is it worth, makes no money, probably losing at a fair rate, NEC on the market.
SISU do need a longer lease, not sure how that comes in.
What service charges?
Match Day costs - which oddly vary with every single offer.
So no other club pay these?
Match Day costs - which oddly vary with every single offer.
Not ones that vary with every single offer no.
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