Exactly this. Our biggest problem at the moment is none of the centre halves are near enough to prem level so we have to play three of them - and that forces us to play in a certain way. Previously we added to that having a goalkeeper with the worst record for stopping goals in the division.We do have players who could operate at that level. Van Ewijk, Rudoni, Wright, Sheaf. Possibly Dovin and Emc. That’s decent for a championship club. The trick is making a team. We’re a long way off being promotion contenders at the moment because the squad is unbalanced.
If we got to the prem I’d imagine our second string team wouldn’t be starting correct.We have seen the last 2 games against premier league standard players. Out of the starting 11 yesterday only Dovin and Rudoni at a push are that standard
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And hopefully do a Luton. But they are better than that.A rhetorical question....but can we really say Ipswich are premier league standard? Were Luton and Sheffield United premier league standard last season? Most of the Luton side are the same side that played in the PL last season.
Re: Ipswich, they are probably too good for the championship but not good enough for the Premier league which is why they will drop straight back down.
Who cares?
These days you have to buy almost a whole new team to compete anyway, so it doesn't matter if our players aren't PL standard.
If they can keep hold of most of their current players and strengthen again when they go up, they’ll have a decent chance of staying up. Unless you’re for a wealthy owner prepared to pump cash in like Brighton and Brentford, it’s the aim for most promoted teams.Exactly this. Ipswich have bought a shitload of players, yet are still coming down. They will, no doubt, run away with the Championship next year.
Luton, on the other hand, didn't buy a load of new talent because they have prioritised saving all their dosh for their new stadium. More worthy.
Short term gain for long term gain and all that.
Yep.Exactly this. Ipswich have bought a shitload of players, yet are still coming down. They will, no doubt, run away with the Championship next year.
Luton, on the other hand, didn't buy a load of new talent because they have prioritised saving all their dosh for their new stadium. More worthy.
Short term pain for long term gain and all that.
A rhetorical question....but can we really say Ipswich are premier league standard? Were Luton and Sheffield United premier league standard last season? Most of the Luton side are the same side that played in the PL last season.
Re: Ipswich, they are probably too good for the championship but not good enough for the Premier league which is why they will drop straight back down.
Prem Quality:
Haji Wright
Top Championship Quality:
Sheaf, MvE, Grimes, Dovin, Rudoni
Good Championship players:
EMC, Simms, Sakamoto, Torp, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell
Average Championship players:
Wilson, Lati, Binks, Eccles, Allen, BTA, Bassette
Deadweight:
Collins, Dasilva
I have my reasons for some placements that might seem off
But my top 2 catagories are undesputable,
EMC we haven't seen enough to put higher,
Simms on his day could be a Premier league player look at his performances against Wolves and Man U,
Kitching and Thomas are good at this level not top but good and probably both have potential to be top,
Eccles too inconsistent to go higher,
Allen not sure if this is a purple patch but willing to put him higher if he continues this form for a while,
BTA can be a good player at this level but I want to see that little bit more from him found the finishing touch now just needs to go that one step further with his all round center forward play,
Bassette I may have jumped the gun too early on him too raw needs more experience but will certainly prove to be a shrewd signing and make us a decent chunk of change,
I mean this is the nail on the head. I would honestly choose to win the championship and then stay in it the season after. The gulf is ridiculous and causing a real problem. The premier league for the bottom six is just a dogfight with heavy defeat week after week. Not to mention you have VAR. I think it’ll be a matter of time before the top six join a super league and from my perspective, we’ll be better for it.A rhetorical question....but can we really say Ipswich are premier league standard? Were Luton and Sheffield United premier league standard last season? Most of the Luton side are the same side that played in the PL last season.
Re: Ipswich, they are probably too good for the championship but not good enough for the Premier league which is why they will drop straight back down.
He wishes!It's probably obvious to say this but put Simms in that Leeds team and he would be a monster. He has his imperfections but a large part of the problem is how we play. We are so ponderous R9 in his prime would look like Dele Adebola in this team.
He isn’t a playmaker so I’m not really sure the relevance of your commentAs much as people keep saying how good Sheaf is; the last two season practically every side that comes to the CBS has a better midfield playmaker. ........
But my top 2 catagories are undesputable
I’m really not sure how good wright would be in the prem either tbh.Wright
Prem quality
Potential to make step up in time
Dovin
Thomas
Mve
Simms
Emc
Sheaf
Grimes I assume. I heard on a podcast if he had pace and power he would easily be playing in the prem
We've been poor with Simms, Sheaf, Torp, Bidwell and MVE playing. Not been great with Wright either but he is a step up.It's clear by the team selection yesterday that Doug has not demanded a cup run this year.
Simms and MVE didn't get on the pitch, yet Rodrigues and Bassette did. Bidwell not in the squad (maybe injured?) Torp got 30ish minutes. I don't think we were too bothered by the result.
All in all we were missing 7 of our best players on the pitch yesterday due to various reasons including injuries and unavailability, but the team we put out can't be compared to our strongest 11. The only thing it does highlight is, although improving, our lack of depth isn't good enough against teams above us in the pyramid.
Yes. By definition, if they’re too good for the Championship, then they are Premier league standard.
We've been poor with Simms, Sheaf, Torp, Bidwell and MVE playing. Not been great with Wright either but he is a step up.
Our best first 11 is mid table and the quality isn't there to mount a challenge.
As an aside...
No idea how all of a sudden Dovin and Rudoni are premiership standard. Ridiculous at this point. As is Sheaf who's been poor as well as injury prone.
Wright is the only one with a sniff and he's not the most robust either ...
We've been poor with Simms, Sheaf, Torp, Bidwell and MVE playing. Not been great with Wright either but he is a step up.
Our best first 11 is mid table and the quality isn't there to mount a challenge.
As an aside...
No idea how all of a sudden Dovin and Rudoni are premiership standard. Ridiculous at this point. As is Sheaf who's been poor as well as injury prone.
Wright is the only one with a sniff and he's not the most robust either ...
I think there is almost a trial period.
First you have to prove you're too good for the Championship (by getting promoted)
Then you have to prove that you're good enough for the Premier League (by staying there)
The current situation though is unsustainable, as its just the same teams over and over again who are in limbo between the two divisions.
The PL needs to be either expanded back up to 22 teams, or reduced to 18. Just to shake it up a bit
He isn’t a playmaker so I’m not really sure the relevance of your comment
We are 12th in the table and watch our poor defence, weak midfield and largely ineffectual strike force most weeks, that's how.We’ve won 5 on the bounce before the Leeds game, beating teams in and around the playoffs so not really sure how you can come to that conclusion.
Top marks for squeezing in the word 'eschew'The gap between the Championship and PL gets a little bit wider every year. Doing a Brentford, Palace, Bournemouth or Forest gets harder. You find a great player (Vic and Gus) they are cherry picked whatever league you are in. Getting a billionaire owner helps but does not guarantee success.
The key is recruitment. To get promoted you usually need quality loans which we seem to eschew.
Getting up, recruiting sensibly for resale value is essential.
I would rather be a brilliantly managed yo yo club than a top half Championship also ran. Yo yo sensibly then there is a chance of staying in the PL and progressing. Unfortunately, it really is all about the money which only comes with promotion.
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