covboy1987
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Surprised nobody had mentioned the write up in the telegraph about the fans in general did not blame SP for the poor season
Pressley not to blame (1 Viewer)
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Some things are best forgotten!
ccfcway
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sadly, he was.
He got it wrong with replacing players like moussa, clarke and wilson with jackson, swanson and miller
There was a wage budget to compete in this league and he got the player recruitment wrong and often the tactics wrong.
I wish him well, but if we had TM all season, we would have been top half as a min, and he hasnt been given any money.
He got it wrong with replacing players like moussa, clarke and wilson with jackson, swanson and miller
There was a wage budget to compete in this league and he got the player recruitment wrong and often the tactics wrong.
I wish him well, but if we had TM all season, we would have been top half as a min, and he hasnt been given any money.
Have you got concrete evidence for that ?
ccfcway
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you do know we were i the bottom 4 when SP was sacked ?
we won 13 league games all season........5 of those were in TM's 13 games in charge.........SP won 7 out of 33.
Even i agree with Nick......Its pretty safe to assume this one
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Wooah steady on, I completely agree with the sentiment but my point is that when Nick { the sit on the fence, Nah fuck off does he really } the moderator doesn't agree with your take on things he virtually demands everything in writing to prove your point of view !
Astute
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I wanted him sacked just about all season. And I wasn't alone.
Grendel
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Well not really. The equivalent of the slanderous unfounded accusations you were making on another thread would have been along the lines of revealing Pressley was fired as he had a curious fetish involving a Shetland Pony.
Then - as no one had any evidence to the contrary you would say case closed.
Contrary to your belief sisu haven't trousered any money out of the club. The accounts show it. Tub thumping rhetoric does not change it.
ccfcway
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LJC_CCFC
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Felt I represented the feeling's of a lot of Cov fans when I wrote this: http://thefootballwriterblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/steven-pressley-return-to-sender.html #CheekyPlug
Possibly the worst manager I've known in my time supporting City, for a multitude of reasons.
Possibly the worst manager I've known in my time supporting City, for a multitude of reasons.
Terry Gibson's perm
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If he had kept his job I am quite confident we would have gone down.
The good news is that he is the past
The good news is that he is the past
Nick
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Oh dear, I think it's a bit different to what I asked you for.
The fact that somebody who often disagrees with me posted evidence evidence straight away sums it up.
Nick
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What a bastard, asking for the facts you base your statements on.
ccfcway
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skybluetony176
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The only thing that changed from the games I saw was the style of play. I wouldn't say any of the players looked significantly better under TM just the urgency to get the ball forward and in the end that was enough. I'm not convinced that SP was solely responsible for picking transfer targets either, I wouldn't be surprised if SW was playing FM and I'm even less convinced that we got our first choice targets for a number of reasons. But at the end of the day we were better under TM than SP with the same group of players so SP's inability to change styles was reason enough for him to go.
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Terry Gibson's perm
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The game is a simple one which is over complicated by people like Pressley, get the ball into the opposition goal you don't need to make 100 passes first when two can do it quicker. Under him the defenders had the ball in our half most of the time passing to each other until they lost it and then the opposition had the ball near our goal, Mowbray gets them to move the ball forward quicker and more purpose then if you lose the ball you can get it back in their half.
Hobo
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Are you Aidy Boothroyd?
Terry Gibson's perm
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Yes you have got me!
what I am trying to say is even the teams that passed and passed like Barcelona have had to change and are moving the ball forward more quickly, he was trying to play a ball retention game with players who didn't have the required skills to do it. Put simply who would you rather be Arsenal who over pass in third or Chelsea who play a bit more direct in first?
Hobo
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I don't think retention is necessarily the problem. It is more about the awareness of where you want to play your football and giving yourself the outlets to do it.
you cannot play an effective passing game without movement and the momentum to go forward. On occasions that the ball needs to go backwards it should be done with an awareness that that is the best option to open up forward play. The hard work is running off the ball, the ball player should always have at least two options for open passes. Triangles, one and two touches, the passing needs momentum and a fluidity, an alert awareness. Watch Messi he often has two players on his back and still wants the ball only to pass it straight back first touch; but he has just dragged two players three yards out of position and created a little hole for some one to run into and the ball player now has that new option.
Sky Blue Dal
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Everyone really need to lay of the Preseley bashing.
Just to remind many of you that we survived a 10 point deduction under him that kept us in L1 straight after that those best players were sold with no fault of his own. You can only do so much with the owners we had and on top of that the clubs poor setup.
So did he achieve any success at our club since he was with us? Well yes.. we survived that season starting with minus 10 points.
Give him some credit where it is due guys.
Just to remind many of you that we survived a 10 point deduction under him that kept us in L1 straight after that those best players were sold with no fault of his own. You can only do so much with the owners we had and on top of that the clubs poor setup.
So did he achieve any success at our club since he was with us? Well yes.. we survived that season starting with minus 10 points.
Give him some credit where it is due guys.
Anyone who thinks Pressley was at fault clearly has no indication of the what was going on behind the scenes, which in turn has been documented since, but I was the first on here to point out to many that Waggott was chief wheeler dealer and pressley was yes sir, Pressley did not give authorisation of the sale of Wilson ( he tried making out he did in the fans forum) but fact is he refused the sale.
Its funny how at one stage everyone had their cocks in their hands saying how we was playing some of the best football in years, Pressley then had his tools taken away in the summer and the rest is history.
The man was given no chance with the inadequate replacements to carry out his duties, and sequences changed with divides in the playing staff,still I must be talking out my backside again like the comments Waggot was doing the deals, like the council were secretly doing the dirty behind the clubs back, both of which become public knowledge later on.
Its funny how at one stage everyone had their cocks in their hands saying how we was playing some of the best football in years, Pressley then had his tools taken away in the summer and the rest is history.
The man was given no chance with the inadequate replacements to carry out his duties, and sequences changed with divides in the playing staff,still I must be talking out my backside again like the comments Waggot was doing the deals, like the council were secretly doing the dirty behind the clubs back, both of which become public knowledge later on.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The improvement in form under Mowbray shows you that the manager was having a negative effect. Poor man management, ultra defensive football, poor judge of a player and a stubborn refusal to accept his faults made him very weak this season.
By all accounts he was a very enthusiastic guy and he clearly wanted to do well here but he was just a poor manager. The difference between him and Mowbray is night and day.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Pressley was crap, move on people.
Grendel
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It's no secret waggot was involved in transfers it was openly stated when thorn was manager but he was when Pressley had better players at his disposal as well.
It's not unusual. Happens at Newcastle and when Alan Irvine managed West Brom he had no say in signings at all.
Fact is the tactics deployed were very poor. Basic errors defensively and a policy of narrow midfield which gave no service to forwards.
It doesn't matter about the context of the set up if the manager is not good enough anyway - and he wasn't good enough.
Its well known he had to tinker his playing style and system due to the insufficient playing staff he was inherited by Waggott due to more cost cutting.
The tactics were naive and negative agreed but were based on ball retention and trying to find a system using the less than adequate squad he was provided with, however this does not take away the fact alot happened behind the scenes which affected playing morale.
End of the day were better off now anyway.
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I would have been happy if we had kept the ball in the opposition half passing it that is ideal but players like Fleck just stand in with the centre backs and do two yard passes to each other moving nowhere, I think that the lack of pace in the side didn't help either, players like Messi although special players never stop moving and every pass is for a reason where as players like Fleck make lots of passes for stats and most are going nowhere.
LJC_CCFC
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Pressley's tactical awareness can be summed up by his attempt at playing 5-3-2 with the squad we had, having never previously used the formation/system in his career and quite clearly picking it up after watching LVG and Holland during the World Cup. He tried copying it without properly implementing the style of play or player instructions that are needed to go with it. Sixteen matches of the season more or less wasted to that system. The idea that ball retention/possession based play was the main part of his plan is questionabl, yes we did try and get the centre halves to pass it out from the back, but as soon as a pass became too hard to attempt or our forward options became limited we'd just launch the ball aimlessly forward. Besides the five month period of '4-4-2 Wilson and Clarke' there wasn't a clear vision he had in terms of a style/type of football he wanted to play.
A very good read until your last comment which is questionable or open for debate, it was quite clear ball retention was high on the agenda and waiting for the right moments to play the correct pass, width and pace was key, something which was taken away from him.
Clarke was a lead figure in the make up with his into feet dropping deep hold up play linking the frontline and the midfield, as soon as we lost that, the style of play faltered.
Agree entirely with the rest.
oldskyblue58
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This last season he lost his way and I think lost some respect amongst the playing squad. His game management and tactical awareness were average at best. Yes there was weakness in the squad but whilst I believe SW played a major (and as usual hid behind others) you can not ignore that SP played as big a role in the assembling of the squad and the choosing of the team & tactics.
Whilst there were obvious limitations in the squad what TM did first and foremost was to get the team playing higher up and on the front foot. It didn't always work but it showed the difference between an experienced knowledgeable manager and one just starting out but somewhat inflexible
Yes he had a good season at Sixfields but a lot of that was luck. Do not get me wrong when I say that, all managers need luck. But whilst we were knocking goals in for fun SP an experienced defender couldn't get the defence organised and that continued in to last season. How many clean sheets did TM get using the same pool of defenders? We were lucky to have Wilson and Clarke in such good form, when they both got injured we started to hit the buffers. The flaws in his ability were always there in my view, and when the pressure mounted became more apparent.
All managers make strange calls sometimes, they have to do what they think is right. But for me he made too many strange calls or simply no call at all. I certainly disagreed with some of the more public man management issues, there were episodes that frankly lost him credibility amongst the fans but in my opinion the playing squad.
No it didn't help having a budget like ours but teams with smaller budgets did better. No it didn't help having, I believe, SW throwing crap players at him I assume SP made that clear if not then he has to carry some responsibility for the recruitment doesn't he?
The guy was nice enough but in the end a little out of his depth in our circumstances. He wasn't a great manager but he wasn't the worst either. The statistics for him, particularly this season were not great, but the stats I would agree don't tell the whole story. I think without changing to TM we would probably gone down and that's the difference really isn't it
The manager might not be the only factor to success but he must surely be one of the biggest influences even with a small budget circa £3m and people meddling in the background
Just my opinion, yours may differ - but that doesn't make either of us right or wrong
Whilst there were obvious limitations in the squad what TM did first and foremost was to get the team playing higher up and on the front foot. It didn't always work but it showed the difference between an experienced knowledgeable manager and one just starting out but somewhat inflexible
Yes he had a good season at Sixfields but a lot of that was luck. Do not get me wrong when I say that, all managers need luck. But whilst we were knocking goals in for fun SP an experienced defender couldn't get the defence organised and that continued in to last season. How many clean sheets did TM get using the same pool of defenders? We were lucky to have Wilson and Clarke in such good form, when they both got injured we started to hit the buffers. The flaws in his ability were always there in my view, and when the pressure mounted became more apparent.
All managers make strange calls sometimes, they have to do what they think is right. But for me he made too many strange calls or simply no call at all. I certainly disagreed with some of the more public man management issues, there were episodes that frankly lost him credibility amongst the fans but in my opinion the playing squad.
No it didn't help having a budget like ours but teams with smaller budgets did better. No it didn't help having, I believe, SW throwing crap players at him I assume SP made that clear if not then he has to carry some responsibility for the recruitment doesn't he?
The guy was nice enough but in the end a little out of his depth in our circumstances. He wasn't a great manager but he wasn't the worst either. The statistics for him, particularly this season were not great, but the stats I would agree don't tell the whole story. I think without changing to TM we would probably gone down and that's the difference really isn't it
The manager might not be the only factor to success but he must surely be one of the biggest influences even with a small budget circa £3m and people meddling in the background
Just my opinion, yours may differ - but that doesn't make either of us right or wrong
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Astute
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Are you trying to say that we shouldn't have got rid of SP?
Insufficient playing staff? The playing side was good at Northampton. But we had the best strike force by miles. Any club would have loved to have had them. We had midfielders scoring goals. Defence? Don't think we had one. This cost us badly. But instead of tinkering with the defence we went full out defensively. We should have been top 6 minimum with the squad we had. Then he lost our strikers. This was when he was shown to be clueless to most. Having games without even having a shot on target but saying we bossed the game? What a joke. And a managers job isn't just choosing players, picking which players play and what formation is used. A major part is keeping morale as good as you can. Some players need a quiet word. Some need a boot up their arse. Team building helps. Having a go at players in public is bad though. Are you saying SP was good at this?
One more thing. If his squad was so poor how did TM turn things around and save us from relegation?
LJC_CCFC
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I agree with all this. As much as the squad has been lamented throughout the season, in comparison with those clubs in and around the play-offs we were on a par.
Did I say we shouldn't off??? Like I said before in a previous post, we are in a much better position now then ever!
However the argument is varied and complex as he was not solely to blame for the demise in fortunes.
Are you now ready to take your tongue out of TM's arse as dogs do that, your not a dog are you Astute?
The squad was NOT top 6 minimum squad last season, far from it.
TM achieved the target of safety by getting forunate , using brave tactics and playing players in their correct positions.
Now its time to be nice and positive and let him build us from the bottom back into the once proud club we was.