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Mcbean
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Will be become like the Scottish league where the only games people watch are the same opponents every other week - very boring stuff
agree with those that said Covid is the only reason some are in favour as some are likely to become broke - will be cheaper for the foreigners to buy
agree with those that said Covid is the only reason some are in favour as some are likely to become broke - will be cheaper for the foreigners to buy
shmmeee
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i sort of get the “let them go” thing, but it’s just a sticking plaster isn’t it? Eventually there’ll be another big six and another. We need to work out how to stop money just flowing to the top. I suspect we probably need to drop a professional league if we’re honest as well.
I suggested even money before and was ripped apart because inequality makes it interesting or something. But this is a direct result of that. Any system with no regulation pools resources at the top and starves the bottom, surely what we want is a competitive league over some skewed version of “fairness”? It’s entertainment after all.
I suggested even money before and was ripped apart because inequality makes it interesting or something. But this is a direct result of that. Any system with no regulation pools resources at the top and starves the bottom, surely what we want is a competitive league over some skewed version of “fairness”? It’s entertainment after all.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If that's the case the others could gang up and say they want the top six to leave to play in a Euro superleague.
Those that think football in this country couldn't survive without those big clubs is nonsense. Who the big clubs are change over time. How many of the initial clubs that won a lot still exist? Or ones like Wolves and Preston who haven't been big clubs for a long time. 70's when the likes of Forest, Derby and Villa were Champions not just here but in Europe.
Man City were playing us in the Championship just 15 years ago and were in the third tier just over 20 years ago when we were top flight. Man U were average until Fergie and the PL era. Chelsea were mid table pre-Abramovich and nearly went out of business before Harding bought them. Tottenham haven't won the league since pre-colour TV. Liverpool hadn't won it for 30 years and spent a few years in mid-table obscurity, which is where Arsenal largely are now. We could've sent Everton down in the late 90's and they've been also-rans for a long period.
Part of the attraction is that you can dream one day that might be you. If you just let a handful of clubs have control of everything then they're never going to let that happen. They'll turn smaller clubs into feeder teams and what's the incentive of watching a team you know will never be allowed to win anything because their job is to help another one do so?
I understand many clubs have severe difficulties at the moment, but this isn't a solution to their problems long term. It's barely a reprieve and if they survive longer term it's more likely to be damaging. It's like a dying patient being given oxygen just to keep going for a short while, which the doctor has full control to remove anytime they like. And the previous conduct of that doctor suggests he's a bit Shipman-esque.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I wonder what would happen if the PL and EFL made an agreement to amalgamate minus this 'big 6' so they only had each other to play every week? How long would Man U v Chelsea six times a year really hold peoples attention?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That's the point I fixated on. It lets the big six decide the rule changes so anything they decide to give now they could, under these proposals, just remove quite legally in a few months time. So that 25% could well be nothing in a years time.
Legia Sky Blue
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A potential European Super League isn't the same as the Champions League. Much though I despise the Champions League, it is still a meritocracy of sorts, whereby the likes of Leicester can still qualify if they perform well enough. If the big 6 decide to go and play in a closed shop European League however that is different, and if it ever happened I would like to see the remaining 14 teams in the PL make it so that the big 6 had to resign from the PL if they want to play in it.
lordy_87
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This whole idea goes against everything that football used to stand for. If the "big six", which certain members of weren't or still aren't even successful, are allowed to make decisions on investment into other teams that's what you'd call anti-competitive. And by that nature you are anti-football. It's not in the best interests of the game or anyone else expect billionaire owners and shareholders. If this is allowed to happen that will be me and millions of others being completely finished with professional football as there will be nothing left to dream for. It will be the end of football.
Frostie
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Spot on & Blackburn have won the same amount of Premier League titles as Liverpool & more than Spurs.
RegTheDonk
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So the £250M they are going to pass down to the lower leagues, they'll virtually pocket that back once they relegate 4 teams and no parachutes.
Frostie
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Precisely.
It's effectively a loan anyway which is then to be subtracted from the 25% TV rights - rights which are already in decline & will drop off hugely when the clubs can sell their own rights for 8 games each (no doubt all the 'big' games) as that TV revenue is ringfenced for the PL clubs only .
The whole thing is so short-sighted from an EFL point of view & frankly an utter disgrace.
Ring Of Steel
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Don’t get me wrong, I hate the idea.
However there is certainly a difference between a big club and a successful club. You can be successful but not that big, but if you’re big it doesn’t matter how successful you are, you’re.... big. Man Utd were pulling in 50k no matter what, and Spurs for example- they’re always gonna be more of a draw than Leicester no matter how Leicester get on. Man City & Chelsea- they get laughed at now for being Johnny come lately sets of fans, true to a degree, but they also have huge fanbases that predate those years, I think Chelsea are something like 5th on the all time average crowds list.
So with that in mind, what I don’t get is why they’d miss out Newcastle, Villa, Everton etc- all enormous clubs- from their special little gang- the only answer I have is that they’re not part of the ‘clique’, where the membership criteria seems to be regular qualification for the Champions League and a desperate thirst for power & control over the sport.
The whole thing stinks, when push comes to shove I couldn’t pack it in, but this kind of shit sure makes you wonder what the point is when the deck would be so massively stacked against anyone outside this rancid proposed cartel.
Irish Sky Blue
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The season Man Utd were relegated they had gates below 30k.I would think a lot of their plastic fans would jump ship pretty quickly if they slipped down the league for any length of time.
They will invite or add the likes of Newcastle, Everton and Villa to their gang probably Leeds, West Ham too and a few more, they need some to be bottom end of the league.
Sky Blue Harry H
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The thing I love about football is the away days (ST holder too!) but if you are in a European super league, you never get to do an Ipswich or Norwich away or visit a Hooters in Nottingham (didn't go to Hooters, but you know what I mean). Southend away last year, when you could barely open the pub door because of a howling gale..... As a fan of a super 'club', how many are going to be able to afford away days in Europe only? Not for me.
tisza
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Novelty of a European super League would soon wear off. European cup then Champions League consistently messed with as audiences were falling.
And these big 6 would no longer be the big fish in the pond in a Euroleague.
Frostie
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I doubt your family is reading this, you're fine
tisza
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That's key. These big 6 (American owners in particular) have been pushing for individual media deals. Stream income probably wouldn't count as TV money so the pot suddenly isn't so big.
Skybluefaz
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They should go and get fucked, but everyone is desperate for the cash so they'll get their way.
SkyBlueZack
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The whole of the EFL has to survive on 250m whilst Liverpool and Spurs have been told they can have 150m in stadium rebates. It’s absurd!
Frostie
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The only hope is the FA stay strong & the other PL clubs refuse it. Majority of EFL clubs seem to have the blinkers on.
Skybluefaz
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About time the government let some fans in too, if you can go the theater/cinema/pub no reason to not let in 25% capacity
Might give clubs some breathing room.
chiefdave
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The more I think about a Euro League there more I think a lot of clubs wouldn't go for it. Would any Bundeslida teams leave? Would Barca and Real want to move from winning the league every year to the possibility of years without a title. When was the last time one of Inter, AC or Juve didn't win the league?
If you had a league of clubs with more than one Champions League / European Cup wins you'd only have 12 teams in the league and one of the them would be Forest!
We've had what, 3 English teams winning 5 Champions League titles since 1990, or something like that. Suddenly the big 6 would't be so big.
Frostie
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100%
Approx 1,000 people in a 2,200 capacity, confined INDOOR space at London Palladium is perfectly fine but even 10% capacity, say 1,000 people, massively distanced in a 10,000 seater OUTDOOR venue will kill someone's nan apparently
Which of these looks safer?
chiefdave
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The Palladium pictures are mad, there's no way they have maintained 2 metre distancing even though they did once the pics started circulating. Also, having been to the Palladium I'm struggling to believe anything remotely resembling distancing was maintained in the areas outside the main auditorium, as with many old theatres there's not a lot of room to move about.100%
Approx 1,000 people in a 2,200 capacity, confined INDOOR space at London Palladium is perfectly fine but even 10% capacity, say 1,000 people, massively distanced in a 10,000 seater OUTDOOR venue will kill someone's nan apparently
Which of these looks safer?
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Terry Gibson's perm
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Just had a look on Facebook and the general consensus seems to be off you trot Man Utd and Liverpool although it will weaken the league short term.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well, they could just become special holidays a couple of times a year. Surely you'd still enjoy seeing the team play and visiting new establishments like Das Titz or El Boobies?
Sky Blue Harry H
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For those who only watch on TV, they might like the Euro League at first, but for those who currently attend games, where is the magic of visiting different grounds around the country, the tradition of an away day with mates - the genuine football fans will (with few exceptions) hate it. This has to be a foreign owners grab for cash - hope Man U fans/Liverpool fans give it an appropriate response (think I saw a headline from them saying 'not in our name?'
