And don't forget FUSS. A somewhat secretive organization that operates by stealth rather than open protests. I'm sure you can figure out what the first two initials stand for and the last two refer to the owners. I'm not a member but I know people who know people who are.<snip>
We've got the Trust, formerly led by Steve who stepped down to run Fighting the Jimmy Hill Way and are now led by Moz. I thought the point of splitting off JHW was so the trust were arms length from protests but they still appear to be involved so not sure what was gained by creating another group.
Then we've got Jimmy Hill Way, formerly led by Steve, not sure who replaced Steve as that info doesn't appear to be on their website.
They were behind the march, the Joy photoshop and sit in but were denying on twitter yesterday having anything to do with whistles or the pitch invasion at the Sheff Utd game.
Next up is Preservation Sky Blues. Seem to be based around facebook and twitter and anonymous.
Finally CovFans2Gether, again based around facebook and twitter and anonymous.
Why so many groups, especially when those behind them remain anonymous? Surely better to merge into one under the direction of the Trust who, as they like to remind us, are the biggest fans group.
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Personally I agree I think TF needs to step away from the club for the good of everyone involved, either that or have some concrete information on stadium/academy/Ryton to try and at least offer an olive branch to the fans (not customers Tim!!!)No reason to think you'll get crucified. You're making some valid points. However I don't think having an open dialogue with Tim will make any difference. Like many others I feel that I could pick up the phone and talk to Tim about the club, football, life, etc until the cows come home. Hopefully he feels the same. The problem is rightly or wrongly, no matter what he says and whoever he says it to the fans won't ever trust him again. For his own sake/reputation as much as the club's I hope he isn't here much longer. What does he have to gain by being here? I believe he isn't taking a salary. Even if he was and it was well into six figures he could still earn more elsewhere for doing less hours in the field he has worked in. If I was him I'd rather sit at home or on a beach rather than earning a relatively small sum and being called a wanker by several thousand people in unison every week. The bridge is burnt and the forest has ran out of wood. The relationship is irreparable.
Keep it in mind that there is a democratic trust here already. It's not perfect but what is? We have got things wrong but on the whole I'd like to think we've done a large amount of good. Some of those things are reported, some aren't, some can't be. Genuine question, what do you want to see from the Trust? What do you want us to do for you? Probably guilty of not asking those questions enough down the years tbf.
Personally I agree I think TF needs to step away from the club for the good of everyone involved, either that or have some concrete information on stadium/academy/Ryton to try and at least offer an olive branch to the fans (not customers Tim!!!)
In regards from what I want from the Trust, I want to see a united front which has clear and distinguished ideas moving forward. I agree Sisu have to go but is it the Trusts aim to take over? If so what's the plan when they do? In an ideal world all groups would fall under one banner and the infighting would stop. I personally think the easiest way to gain this is to push the reset button and reelect anybody who wants to run for positions within the Trust. Furthermore, we live in a digital 24/7 world where work patterns won't necessarily allow attendance to meetings, surely this has already been addressed by the Trust, if not this should be something that is paramount to make sure as many voices get heard and that the trust can reach out to as many possible.
Again these are just suggestions but moving forward myself alongside many city fans would love to have the trust representing us, just after a few tweaks
Thank you and like always I will take it on board and pass it on. The ownership question is one that's open for debate. We have a plan in place that is on the shelf and ready to go if the worst was to happen. Aside from Wycombe, Wimbledon, etc for obvious reasons every trust in the country has that or should do anyway. The only way how we can proceed with our involvement in a takeover is with proper fan consultation. Hire a room, thrash around some ideas that are put forwards, decide what to do and maybe realise it wasn't quite right so repeat until it is. With regards to Fisher I think he could sign us Sanchez and Harzard & build us a 45000 seater inside the Ring Road and most would still not believe a word he says. Sad really but he's never going to win us all over.
You can't have that profile picture up and then use the word dork to someone...Hello, not seen you on here before.
You are as much a part of the bollocks on here as the rest of us you dork.
Thank you and like always I will take it on board and pass it on. The ownership question is one that's open for debate. We have a plan in place that is on the shelf and ready to go if the worst was to happen. Aside from Wycombe, Wimbledon, etc for obvious reasons every trust in the country has that or should do anyway. The only way how we can proceed with our involvement in a takeover is with proper fan consultation. Hire a room, thrash around some ideas that are put forwards, decide what to do and maybe realise it wasn't quite right so repeat until it is. With regards to Fisher I think he could sign us Sanchez and Harzard & build us a 45000 seater inside the Ring Road and most would still not believe a word he says. Sad really but he's never going to win us all over.
I think part of the problem is members, and the public in general, have no clue what that plan is and therefore can't asses its viability. Hence when you have a situation like the one recently where the trust approach the club its hard for anyone to think this is a serious bid.We have a plan in place that is on the shelf and ready to go if the worst was to happen. Aside from Wycombe, Wimbledon, etc for obvious reasons every trust in the country has that or should do anyway. The only way how we can proceed with our involvement in a takeover is with proper fan consultation.
Totally agree, we need one group with a clear aims and a plan for what happens should they succeed. Needs to recognise its not all down to SISU and engage with all relevant parties. Its perfectly possible to have a civil relationship with the club, council, Wasps etc while protesting against them. Having clear aims would certainly help with that.In all seriousness I really do believe we need a single group with clearly stated aims.
I am season ticket holder but find the continuous SISU out agenda is only half the story - there really needs to be a clearly communicated viable alternative as well if/when SISU go.
I think part of the problem is members, and the public in general, have no clue what that plan is and therefore can't asses its viability. Hence when you have a situation like the one recently where the trust approach the club its hard for anyone to think this is a serious bid.
Totally agree, we need one group with a clear aims and a plan for what happens should they succeed. Needs to recognise its not all down to SISU and engage with all relevant parties. Its perfectly possible to have a civil relationship with the club, council, Wasps etc while protesting against them. Having clear aims would certainly help with that.
How can there be when the first thought is to jump on the club straight away for stuff?
There's the pattern that when anything comes out that isn't CCFC (for example Wasps buying the Higgs) and there might be the slightest bit of outrage from the Trust towards them they get a phone call for a meeting and it all gets forgotten and it is all back on CCFC / SISU again. Rinse and repeat.
CCFC fans groups focusing on CCFC, eh?
You've certainly uncovered the scandal of the century there mate.
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