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Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's just fairer isn't it though. If a club takes loads of away fans they get nothing financially from that. It asks the question why go to away games when you're just giving money to your rivals? You can talk about the support they give but then why not practically give tickets away for home games to get more support? Because it's not economically sensible to do so. Selling tickets to away games doesn't make economic sense either.

If those away fans didn't go the host club would get nothing. Both clubs will incur admin costs from selling/distributing tickets but the home club should get a bit more because of costs of stewarding etc at the game so say a 60:40 split.
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Have you any evidence fans will not go if they are aware that the club they support gets no money?
 
SlowerThanPlatt

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's just fairer isn't it though. If a club takes loads of away fans they get nothing financially from that. It asks the question why go to away games when you're just giving money to your rivals? You can talk about the support they give but then why not practically give tickets away for home games to get more support? Because it's not economically sensible to do so. Selling tickets to away games doesn't make economic sense either.

If those away fans didn't go the host club would get nothing. Both clubs will incur admin costs from selling/distributing tickets but the home club should get a bit more because of costs of stewarding etc at the game so say a 60:40 split.
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No clubs would ever vote for this
 
Marty

Marty

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What's left are areas with massively restricted views aren't they?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's just fairer isn't it though. If a club takes loads of away fans they get nothing financially from that. It asks the question why go to away games when you're just giving money to your rivals? You can talk about the support they give but then why not practically give tickets away for home games to get more support? Because it's not economically sensible to do so. Selling tickets to away games doesn't make economic sense either.

If those away fans didn't go the host club would get nothing. Both clubs will incur admin costs from selling/distributing tickets but the home club should get a bit more because of costs of stewarding etc at the game so say a 60:40 split.
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No, the away club doesn't bear any cost of housing supporters so shouldn't be entitled to any real share of the income, It should only recoup the costs it accrues in selling the tickets on behalf of the home club.
 
Londonccfcfan

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's just fairer isn't it though. If a club takes loads of away fans they get nothing financially from that. It asks the question why go to away games when you're just giving money to your rivals? You can talk about the support they give but then why not practically give tickets away for home games to get more support? Because it's not economically sensible to do so. Selling tickets to away games doesn't make economic sense either.

If those away fans didn't go the host club would get nothing. Both clubs will incur admin costs from selling/distributing tickets but the home club should get a bit more because of costs of stewarding etc at the game so say a 60:40 split.
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Think the club get £1 per ticket admin fee.
Then whenever I buy multiple tickets they still charge £1per ticket postage. Fee even though the tickets come in one envelope.

I wouldn't say they get zilch...but it's certainly not significant.

Probably £1.50 per ticket.

But the fact that being missed is that surely they have a duty to season ticket holders to get as many tickets available/possible within reason. To be sold out in 2 working days didn't give everyone a fair chance to purchase.

Or if they knew beforehand that they taking allocation of 2k. Why not just make 1 ticket per season ticket holder. So as many season ticket holders as possible get chance to get a ticket.

Just doesn't make any sense at all.
 
COV

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tskezz said:
Yeah exactly. And tbf we didn't sell out our first away game in in over a season at Barnsley so you have to appreciate the club not gambling on this one (if they do have to pay up front like we've said).
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shows a lack of understanding really- Barnsley midweek was never gonna be a huge seller, QPR on a Saturday was always going to be high demand.
 
Grendel

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COV said:
shows a lack of understanding really- Barnsley midweek was never gonna be a huge seller, QPR on a Saturday was always going to be high demand.
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Oh dear
 
DazzleTommyDazzle

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Deleted member 5849 said:
The likes of Man Utd voted to stop exactly that years ago, after all!
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Correct. It changed in about 1980. Before that, gate receipts were broadly split, with the home club taking a larger % to cover the costs of putting on the match.

I remember Jimmy Hill saying it was a bad change as it would make the bigger clubs richer and widen the gap with the smaller clubs.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Have you any evidence fans will not go if they are aware that the club they support gets no money?
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Read it again. It doesn't say that people wouldn't go if they were aware the club got no money. I'm sure there are a fair number who know this. But they go because they enjoy the day out and atmosphere.

I ask whether it's sensible to do it given you're basically giving money to your competitors.
 
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PurpleBin

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Read it again. It doesn't say that people wouldn't go if they were aware the club got no money. I'm sure there are a fair number who know this. But they go because they enjoy the day out and atmosphere.

I ask whether it's sensible to do it given you're basically giving money to your competitors.
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Giving money to your competitors to pay for a service/product which is reciprocated when the return fixture comes around.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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fernandopartridge said:
No, the away club doesn't bear any cost of housing supporters so shouldn't be entitled to any real share of the income, It should only recoup the costs it accrues in selling the tickets on behalf of the home club.
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As I said the fact that the host club incurs costs in accommodating the fans they should get more.

A football match is entertainment that is made up by two teams playing. If one is not there there is nothing to watch. So why should one team keep all the revenue just because they're hosting?

Let's say you're in a band and another band asks you to do a gig with them they're organising in their hometown. As they're organising it they get to keep all the revenue from the gig and you're just getting expenses. They'll agree to do a gig in your hometown in return and you get to keep all the revenue from that, less expenses.

You're a bigger name and your fans would be adding a few thousand onto the crowd at their gig. They've got very few fans and would be adding almost nothing to the attendance at yours. Would you be happy with the distribution of the takings?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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PurpleBin said:
Giving money to your competitors to pay for a service/product which is reciprocated when the return fixture comes around.
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Potentially unfairly. You take 2000 fans to them, they bring 200 to you. You've lost out.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Doesn't matter which way you try and spin it, the club have screwed this up and it is annoying. The SBA make a massive difference to the team and we should be taking as many fans as possible.

There's been some amateur organisation at the club this summer and they need to sort it out sooner rather than later.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
It would actually penalise small clubs who get large away followings
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Smaller clubs have smaller grounds so can accommodate fewer fans. Bigger clubs can accommodate more and will attract a larger following.

So big club comes to you and you can only give them 2k tickets because of stadium size. When you travel away they can accommodate 5k of your fans.

Big club gets income from 5k of smaller club's supporters. Small club gets income from 2k of bigger club's.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Smaller clubs have smaller grounds so can accommodate fewer fans. Bigger clubs can accommodate more and will attract a larger following.

So big club comes to you and you can only give them 2k tickets because of stadium size. When you travel away they can accommodate 5k of your fans.

Big club gets income from 5k of smaller club's supporters. Small club gets income from 2k of bigger club's.
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They wouldn’t accommodate 5,000 fans if they were t getting the money would they they would only allocate 2,000
 
tskezz

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Londonccfcfan said:
Think the club get £1 per ticket admin fee.
Then whenever I buy multiple tickets they still charge £1per ticket postage. Fee even though the tickets come in one envelope.

I wouldn't say they get zilch...but it's certainly not significant.

Probably £1.50 per ticket.

But the fact that being missed is that surely they have a duty to season ticket holders to get as many tickets available/possible within reason. To be sold out in 2 working days didn't give everyone a fair chance to purchase.

Or if they knew beforehand that they taking allocation of 2k. Why not just make 1 ticket per season ticket holder. So as many season ticket holders as possible get chance to get a ticket.

Just doesn't make any sense at all.
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Does that admin/booking fee not go to Ticketmaster?
 
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