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Gaz · Dec 27, 2011

I think you will find it is the other way around.
Any time a fan on here looks for some positive out of the dark cloud we are under currently with Sisu running the ship, we are shot down a small amount on here who seem hell bent on jumping on any comment whatsoever that isn't in line with the world ending.

Just because RR brought Sisu to the club, doesnt mean he agreed with how they were running the club.
Which was clearly the case as he decided to leave, rather than be ousted.

thorn in my side · Dec 27, 2011

gaz said:
I think you will find it is the other way around.
Any time a fan on here looks for some positive out of the dark cloud we are under currently with Sisu running the ship, we are shot down a small amount on here who seem hell bent on jumping on any comment whatsoever that isn't in line with the world ending.

Just because RR brought Sisu to the club, doesnt mean he agreed with how they were running the club.
Which was clearly the case as he decided to leave, rather than be ousted.

The impression I got was Ranson failed to deliver and so he was "encouraged" to leave. SISU had put great faith in him as a "footballing man" which is why they paid him very well (£300,000 per year according to the recent Daily Mail article) and gave him relative autonomy to run the club. He ran his course. Some posters say he was successful. Others say he was not successful. I happen to be in the not so successful camp.

It is easy to blame SISU for all our woes but I believe Ranson (as the "football man") has to accept his share of the blame.

I have not shot anyone down. I am just not getting excited as everyone else at the prospect of change from SISU to Hoffman/Ranson/Keys or Elliot.

Grendel · Dec 27, 2011

thorn in my side said:
You say negativity. I say fair comment.

Ranson brought SISU to the party and was with them from day 1. Hoffman sat side by side with SISU for 3 years. We conveniently absolve both Ranson and Hoffman because they are no longer, both having been ousted. However both, in my opinion, have a good deal to answer for and neither has a particularly impressive track record when it comes to football matters and Coventry City. Ranson is a "footballing man". So what - he is still incompetent. I have heard it said Peter Risdale is a "footballing man".

There are many off us who view the Hoffman interest with great caution - even more so now we here Ranson might be involved. The moment we post an opinion to this effect, we are shouted down by the Hoffman express which is heading apparently to saviour-ville.

I suppose now I will be branded a Villa fan, or perhaps I am in some way less of a fan or maybe even a board member - for daring to criticise. Heavan forbid I might actually be a Coventry City fan with freedom of mind and an opinion of my own.

Oh and by the way we won yesterday. Brighton next - 3 points? - and all of a sudden there is a glimmer of hope in footballing matters. How is that for positivity.

Totally agree. It seems anyone who decides to bring an elememt of logic and thought to the Ransom issue is labelled as negative. I would rather be negative that blind to reality.
So you are not a Villa fan (Ransom tried to get them as well as the other 3 clubs mentioned before didn't he?).
Why would anyone view him as positive. His bold claim SISU will leave Coventry in a better state than when they bought it now looks laughable. Managerial appointments were a joke - he clearly is clueless as to who is a valid business partner to finance his ambitions and he is not capable of turning ambitions into reality.
The comment he hadn't got tens of millions is irrelevant as few clubs have in the Championship and at the start of his reign we were debt free and a lot better than most clubs in the Championship (his words not mine) yet we still nearly got relegated.
I can spell positive and in this context it means a fresh start with an open board and open transparant investors. Hoffman I know nothing about but for a so called serious investor he is all too public for my liking and his curious involvement with a certain media pundit I do not feel enthusiastic about at all. Though no doubt Keys "involvement" should be another thing I should be excited about - perhaps he and And Gray can do a double act for half time entertainment.

Gaz · Dec 27, 2011

I can only go on what Sisu said at the press conference where they said RR had decided to step down, and also RR in his interview on CWR where he said he decided to step down as he couldn't run the club as he had agreed with Sisu in the first place.
There seemed to be major in fighting at boardroom level which to me suggested RR & Sisu had different ideas on how to run the club. So one of them must have changed from the first agreed blueprint.

Gaz · Dec 27, 2011

kduffy said:
What is that completing what he failed to do last time and take us down?

Is this thread supposed to be positive? First win for god knows how long and now I feel depressed again!

Don't see any Logic here,
Negative negative negative !

TheParsonsHose · Dec 27, 2011

Moronic, miserable bastards the lot of us....all we need now is CWR Ian to tip us over the edge!

@richh87 · Dec 27, 2011

Also, this assertion that anyone at the club during SISU's reign must automatically be black-balled is retarded.

Hoffman quit because of the way they were running things. Trying to sell a promising youngster in Conor Thomas was the final straw.

Furthermore Hoffman is a very well respected and fairly wealthy guy whose only interest in this situation is sorting out the club he loves. Anyone saying otherwise needs their head read.

Gaz · Dec 27, 2011

TheParsonsHose said:
Moronic, miserable bastards the lot of us....all we need now is CWR Ian to tip us over the edge!

Haha

Yeah he sure isn't Mr cheery is he.

Gaz · Dec 27, 2011

Very true.
I don't think it's right to paint everyone with the Sisu brush.
And I think we are lucky to have someone like GH trying to help got shot of Sisu.

@richh87 said:
Also, this assertion that anyone at the club during SISU's reign must automatically be black-balled is retarded.

Hoffman quit because of the way they were running things. Trying to sell a promising youngster in Conor Thomas was the final straw.

Furthermore Hoffman is a very well respected and fairly wealthy guy whose only interest in this situation is sorting out the club he loves. Anyone saying otherwise needs their head read.

ajsccfc · Dec 27, 2011

GinettasStickySofa said:
Ranson and SISU are not the same entity. He is the football man. They are the businessmen. Both had their own interests that brought them together.

For the plan to work both sides needed to be onboard with each other. Unfortunately for CCFC the relationship broke down.

It's not as black and white as some make it out to be!

I get that, but the way he's coincidentally put it across since leaving is that he had all these grand ideas and he was fighting against the evil money men - the same people he was happily working with for a long time beforehand and trying to get into clubs before us.

Much like SISU with anything, I don't buy it.

cloughie · Dec 27, 2011

TheParsonsHose said:
Moronic, miserable bastards the lot of us....all we need now is CWR Ian to tip us over the edge!

Despite a win he even managed to complain about where they were trainning on xmas day ........some just love to wallow in negativity.

Should we manage to get some sort of success in the future at whatever level there will always those who will complain about it in one way or another

the victor meldrews of this world

ajsccfc · Dec 27, 2011

Sounded like a cracking Christmas Day for Ian. Get up, phone the Met Office and shout at them for it not being a white Christmas, nip down Ryton so there's something to moan about the next day in case we get a result, then pop home and phone up the BBC to complain about there not being a new Royle Family this year.

skybluebeduff · Dec 27, 2011

So sad that it's actually cringe worthy reading your comments. @kduffy

Astute · Dec 27, 2011

lordsummerisle said:
As somebody earlier said, would be more comfortable if totally new, fresh faces, rather than the ones who have been associated with the previous rot.

Which includes Hoffman, Ranson, Elliot obviously, and even the hairy sneak Keys, who from what i can gather was responsible for the appointment of Peter Reid over Eric Black.

So you don't want Hoffman to have anything to do with our club?

You must be Hackers in disguise

ICHAN · Dec 27, 2011

As I said earlier on this thread, I would prefer non of them back as they are all to blame and I do not believe any of them, I do not understand the sudden RR furrore, anyone can say anything to the press or to whoever so they do not get any blame for the mess that has happened under sisu, they are all to blame.
As for Hoffman, if he is bringing people to the table to take us over then great, no problems as I want sisu gone just as much as anyone else does not make me anymore of a cov fan than someone who maybe want's sisu to stay that is just a differance of opinion.
My problem with Hoffman is that not so long ago he was only introducing people to the idea of buying cov now some are saying he will be chairman, fine if he wants that position but how will he be able to do his bank work and be chairman, is he on an ego trip? If so then thats fine, if it is of benefit to coventry city football club.
Personally I would like a whole differant set of people in charge with non of the old brigade involved fresh start and all that.
RR was in cahoots with sisu long before they took us over, so what happened? no-one knows but I don't think he is blame free for the whole fing mess that has happened over the years, for that reason I would prefer not to have him back anywhere near coventry.
Some people believe he was not to blame and would welcome him back with open arms, myself I am a bit more sceptical and not as trustworthy as some but that does not make me less of a cov fan than those who would welcome him back, just a differance of opinion, hope he doesn't come back though.
Maybe he was only their because he was visiting Hoff for xmas nothing more nothing less but at least he has given us something differant to discuss.

blend · Dec 27, 2011

ANY change for the better, you can argue who you wish your suitors to be, but it doesn't really matter. Let's face it, can it get any worse? If people previously involved in the club want to take a shot at stopping our fast decline then fair play to them. Let's hope it happens quickly and comes with some funds next year to stabilise us and build us a team to get back in the Championship.

Jack Griffin · Dec 27, 2011

I can't see RR being the solution either, while he was here we finished no better than 17th & in 3 1/2 years ran up an additional £25M+ debt. Tell me how that equates to building for success?

SydneySkyBlue · Dec 27, 2011

gaz said:
I can only go on what Sisu said at the press conference where they said RR had decided to step down, and also RR in his interview on CWR where he said he decided to step down as he couldn't run the club as he had agreed with Sisu in the first place.
There seemed to be major in fighting at boardroom level which to me suggested RR & Sisu had different ideas on how to run the club. So one of them must have changed from the first agreed blueprint.

You'd think the way the club's been run since Ranson left would back that up. There's no helping some of our fans though.

Nope. Everyone must be tarred with the same brush because things really are that simple. *headslap*

SydneySkyBlue · Dec 27, 2011

Jack Griffin said:
I can't see RR being the solution either, while he was here we finished no better than 17th & in 3 1/2 years ran up an additional £25M+ debt. Tell me how that equates to building for success?

The problem was that the budget that SISU put forward was unrealistic IF they wanted success in say a matter of 3 years.

Ranson had to leave his managers with such small squads that injuries caused us major problems.

sw88 · Dec 27, 2011

Im surprised as against him being involved. We want the current regime out, we believe Ranson may be involved with parties interested in taking over, yet we're saying we dont want certain people! Surely we cant have it all ways!

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2011

Jesus if we're writing people off due to one or two bad decisions well let no one take over our club.

Ranson had the right plan for a club of our size IMO. He was given 18 months before the plans changed. I'm not going to comment on money to him as I (like everyone else£ have no idea what he put in to the club. I met the guy, he seemed genuine and wanted to move the club forward.

You can't play guilty by association as that's not how management teams work. The guy at the top (SISU in our case) makes the biggest decisions, everyone else has to work with what they've been given.

I also have yet to see a detailed account of what Robinson did wrong with respect to the club apart from the usual "he's a politician so I don't trust him" crap.

I'd welcome that team back. Has football knowledge, City fans and experience. It may not be perfect but I couldn't name a board who is. Sometimes it's Mr Right Now not Mr Right that is needed.

SydneySkyBlue · Dec 27, 2011

Spot on shmmeee.

EleanorRigby · Dec 27, 2011

The thing is the Hoffman crew appear to be the only alternative gig in town and if Ranson is part of that so what, to me it was always obvious he was in the Hoffman camp. SISU have proved to me to be incompetant of running a football club and we have to go with the other option or die quiet honestly and if they prove to be useless hope for someone else to come along. What gives me hope though is Hoffman, Keys and Elliott are big Cov. fans, Hoffman is a financial expert at the top of his game, mixes with major rich people and they have all had months to look at things and make sure there are no Pompey or Birmingham fly-by-night types. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and i'm more than willing to have a taste.

lordsummerisle · Dec 27, 2011

shmmeee said:
Jesus if we're writing people off due to one or two bad decisions well let no one take over our club.

Ranson had the right plan for a club of our size IMO. He was given 18 months before the plans changed. I'm not going to comment on money to him as I (like everyone else£ have no idea what he put in to the club. I met the guy, he seemed genuine and wanted to move the club forward.

You can't play guilty by association as that's not how management teams work. The guy at the top (SISU in our case) makes the biggest decisions, everyone else has to work with what they've been given.

I also have yet to see a detailed account of what Robinson did wrong with respect to the club apart from the usual "he's a politician so I don't trust him" crap.

I'd welcome that team back. Has football knowledge, City fans and experience. It may not be perfect but I couldn't name a board who is. Sometimes it's Mr Right Now not Mr Right that is needed.

So are they all innocent but ineffectual or complicit and have to take a share of the blame?

Seems that when Ranson's admirers liked about him, that he was "Ruthless Ray", a "hard headed businessman" etc, they all had entirely the wrong end of the stick, and he was just a poor, innocent lamb led astray by the terrible, bad boys of Sisu.

"Not my Ray, he's not like that, he's just fallen in with a bad lot, you leave him alone, he never done nothin' wrong, he was round his nans when you said he was chairman anyway , he loves his old nan and always helping old people across the road".

EleanorRigby · Dec 27, 2011

If this Hoffman bid goes through who do you suspect will be chairman lordsummerile, i am sure it won't be Hoffman, could it be our Ray again ?. Whoever it is if it isn't Hoffman they will be accused of being his puppet

lordsummerisle · Dec 27, 2011

EleanorRigby said:
If this Hoffman bid goes through who do you suspect will be chairman lordsummerile, i am sure it won't be Hoffman, could it be our Ray again ?. Whoever it is if it isn't Hoffman they will be accused of being his puppet

Accused of being a puppet if people don't like you, merely walked over and misled if Ranson though?

Senior Vick from Alicante · Dec 27, 2011

lordsummerisle said:
So are they all innocent but ineffectual or complicit and have to take a share of the blame?

Seems that when Ranson's admirers liked about him, that he was "Ruthless Ray", a "hard headed businessman" etc, they all had entirely the wrong end of the stick, and he was just a poor, innocent lamb led astray by the terrible, bad boys of Sisu.

"Not my Ray, he's not like that, he's just fallen in with a bad lot, you leave him alone, he never done nothin' wrong, he was round his nans when you said he was chairman anyway , he loves his old nan and always helping old people across the road".

To be fair we will never learn the full extent of complicity between any of the partys that have been involved since sisu aquired us. If ranson is the option then so be it, better the devil you know than sisu. You would prefer us to go down the admin route and start again in league 1, thats your choice, but who would buy us out of admin when lower income streams would mean bigger ongoing losses. Who would be sensible enough to take that on? Wether you like him or not its all supposition until a take over actually happens

lordsummerisle · Dec 27, 2011

shmmeee said:
I'm not going to comment on money to him as I (like everyone else£ have no idea what he put in to the club.

.

Was you account hacked previously shmmeee or do you have, like many, selective amnesia?

"For me the two biggest scandals are the money paid to Ranson (I'm a believer that if you come in to turn a business around you earn your pay by making that company profitable, he did the opposite) and the complete inability of any of a variety of board members, commercial teams, etc. to reverse the losses."

Shmmeee: Money Talks 2 08/09/11

thorn in my side · Dec 27, 2011

EleanorRigby said:
The thing is the Hoffman crew appear to be the only alternative gig in town and if Ranson is part of that so what, to me it was always obvious he was in the Hoffman camp. SISU have proved to me to be incompetant of running a football club and we have to go with the other option or die quiet honestly and if they prove to be useless hope for someone else to come along. What gives me hope though is Hoffman, Keys and Elliott are big Cov. fans, Hoffman is a financial expert at the top of his game, mixes with major rich people and they have all had months to look at things and make sure there are no Pompey or Birmingham fly-by-night types. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and i'm more than willing to have a taste.

And if we follow the logic of many then Ranson is/was part of that SISU incompetence, yet now all is forgiven on a whim cos he has hitched a lift with the only other ride in town. Sorry, but as with Keys, I do not buy into Ranson as some sort of saviour. Just my opinion of course.

thorn in my side · Dec 27, 2011

Senior Vick from Alicante said:
To be fair we will never learn the full extent of complicity between any of the partys that have been involved since sisu aquired us. If ranson is the option then so be it, better the devil you know than sisu. You would prefer us to go down the admin route and start again in league 1, thats your choice, but who would buy us out of admin when lower income streams would mean bigger ongoing losses. Who would be sensible enough to take that on? Wether you like him or not its all supposition until a take over actually happens

Ah but SISU is the devil we know, whereas we know nothing of Hoffman et al other than a few headlines - hence the reserved caution until all becomes clear.

EleanorRigby · Dec 27, 2011

thorn in my side said:
And if we follow the logic of many then Ranson is/was part of that SISU incompetence, yet now all is forgiven on a whim cos he has hitched a lift with the only other ride in town. Sorry, but as with Keys, I do not buy into Ranson as some sort of saviour. Just my opinion of course.

Your opinion is shite, just my opinion.

thorn in my side · Dec 27, 2011

EleanorRigby said:
Your opinion is shite, just my opinion.

your opinion on my opinion is shite - just my opinion.

ajsccfc · Dec 27, 2011

Isn't this nice.

cloughie · Dec 27, 2011

i think people just want sisu out because They doubt and so do I, that anyone and i mean anyone could make a bigger mess than this and I also doubt that anyone could have told more lies or deliberately misled the fans than sisu since Ranson left.

yes like almost everyone i want new owners and yes some want anyone instead of sisu because of the above reasons. I am hoping Hoffman can broker a buy out yet am cautious regarding why they are keeping their identity a secret. for what purpose and will we still be owned by unknown people?

all in all we are in sh*t street and as they say beggasr can't be choosers

Delboycov · Dec 27, 2011

thorn in my side said:
Ah but SISU is the devil we know, whereas we know nothing of Hoffman et al other than a few headlines - hence the reserved caution until all becomes clear.

As seems quite clear we know he currently is our only hope Godiva...I mean TIMS! Without investment we have no hope and the current 'devils we know' have failed miserably in attracting any. I would prefer to put my trust in someone with the future of the club they love as the priority than what we have now. Nothing at all the matter with having cautious hope...better than having none at all.

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