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[clint van damme]

It’s days like this that we need a (5 year ago) Michael Doyle type character. Someone to get in the refs ear about O’Hare being fouled all the time. Someone to create a bit of mischief. I thought Kelly would step to that but doesn’t seem to have the “gobby” side to him. It was awful how Swansea got away with running down the clock with every throw in and foul. Doyle would have been right in the ear of the Ref.

First half last night we got a free kick, Patterson stood over it, ref told him to retreat, he only retreated about a yard so Dabo plays the free kick backwards.
Odds on that if he kicks it against Patterson the ref books him. We are so lacking in that sort of nouse its incredible.

 

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[shmmeee]

This forum amazes me sometimes. On Saturday we played the worst team we’ve played all season and because we win everyone scores 7’s and 8’s yet we were brought down to their standard on only just beat them.
Tonight we play arguably the best team we’ve played all season. We were shit for the first 15 minutes and we’ve got 2’s, 3’s and 4’s everywhere. Had their 2nd goal been ruled out for the offside everyone would have scored 6’s and 7’s.

They weren’t the best team we’ve played all season at all. Luton and QPR were better, Cardiff and Fulham caused us more problems. They just play keep ball, but they were shaky at the back and impotent up front.

 

[covcity4life]

They impressed me more than qpr Cardiff and Fulham. Rly good midfield play. And we did well too. Looking forward t next game

 

[covcity4life]

This forum amazes me sometimes. On Saturday we played the worst team we’ve played all season and because we win everyone scores 7’s and 8’s yet we were brought down to their standard on only just beat them.
Tonight we play arguably the best team we’ve played all season. We were shit for the first 15 minutes and we’ve got 2’s, 3’s and 4’s everywhere. Had their 2nd goal been ruled out for the offside everyone would have scored 6’s and 7’s.

Agree. Same goes for if dabo scores in last minute.

We played better yday than did Vs hull. Like u say we need to eradicate mistakes but no way any player deserves less than 5

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

They looked a very good side to me . I liked their cavalier attitude and they managed the game well at the end. Think they'll finish above us so let's not beat ourselves up and lets look forward to Bristol.

 

[larry_david]

They looked a good side in the making. But in the making. The fact is they made enough goof ups at the back we should have punished them. Their gk kicked about 3 straight to our forwards for a start

 

[Greggs]

Their right wing back is better than all of ours combined, including dacosta.

 

[better days]

Their right wing back is better than all of ours combined, including dacosta.

Who seems to now be in the bomb squad

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s awfully strange. Bringing him on tonight was an admission of running out of ideas

I thought it was an opportunity

 

[cc84cov]

I thought it was an opportunity

2-1 down needing a goal with walker sat there though pete ?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

2-1 down needing a goal with walker sat there though pete ?

Yep I’d have had walker on first for godden

 

[cc84cov]

Yep I’d have had walker on first for godden

60 min latest that needed to happen everyone I think seen it this was around me at least

 

[The Philosopher]

First half last night we got a free kick, Patterson stood over it, ref told him to retreat, he only retreated about a yard so Dabo plays the free kick backwards.
Odds on that if he kicks it against Patterson the ref books him. We are so lacking in that sort of nouse its incredible.

I remember that incident now and totally agree. It turned an attacking play into a defensive one. I recall last year when we were struggling and losing even though we played well, I thought that we lacked the answers to the “dark arts” that other teams have. The time wasting, yard stealing, injury feigning, Ref bullying, grabbing.

I’ve mentioned mentoring, specialist coaching etc. before and been met with “where’s the money come from?”

Fair enough.

There are a lot of ex. players out there who have the ambition to stay in the game but don’t get the opportunity. Players have (say) 15 years playing then 30 years missing playing before they claim their pension. They miss the banter, the dressing room, the being part of something.

What I’m getting to is that I imagine that there are an awful lot of ex pros out there who would love to get involved with a bit of shithousery teaching / mentoring / specialist coaching. There are loads of ex players who do the stat recording at matches. Such ex. pros will be commanding “normal Joe” wages not footballer wages.

My point is that for a fraction of that which Jobello, Hilssner, Dacosta etc cost we could get more depth into our coaching and back room.

Now for the laughing emoji bait:

I took up martial arts with my 10 year old a couple of years back. He does the kids classes but I do the adult so we can practice together. Great thing for kids to do. The stretching, fitness, mind balance, physical balance that it teaches is really quite shocking. (As an aside Houchen mentioned in his book that he was a black belt (in Karate I think)).

I’d advocate getting all our players on to it. As long as there’s no impact contact spar sessions then injuries should not occur.

Kicking bags and stretching aren’t bad additional training regimens for players and it’ll do their confidence no end of good.

I think the amount of bullying that our players would endure would reduce too.

Players like Hamer need the discipline that martial arts brings.

Laugh away.

 

[ccfcricoh]

Moore - 6 (prob could have done better for goal)
Dabo - 6 (looks tired but slowly got better)
Maatsen - 6 (few defensive mistakes but always gets forward well)
Jcs - 5 (poor compared to his performance at weekend)
Fadz - 7 (plus 1 for goal)
Hyam - 6 (meh)
Hamer - 7 (practically taking on whole swans MF himself, only player really dragging us out of defence)
Allen - 6 (thought he did well but was blowing at 60mins)
O'hare - 5 (poor, another good chance fluffed and loses the ball more than most, needs a rest, feel Allen should take this position and either kelly or sheaf in)
Gyok - 6 (form gone but always looks dangerous with ball at feet and drives forwards)
Godden - 5 (non existent or offside)

Robins - 4 (poor management and subs needed far earlier)

Swansea "probably" the best the side we've seen at CBS, although I think they were helped by inept refereeing and time wasting from 30mins, don't think they necessarily looked better than us. Good game management by them though

We were never going to win all home games but just puts more pressure on Saturday to get something from game.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

I think of one our biggest issues, and it’s not necessarily a new one, is just how few players we have who can play a dangerous ball into the box or a killer final pass. In last nights eleven, Dabo and O’Hare get in the most dangerous positions but both have shocking final balls. Dabo doesn’t have a Championship assist yet. Allen isn’t really one for playing a killer ball, which means Hamer and Maatsen are really the only two who can put a threatening ball in. This increases the pressure on them delivering. Even beyond the 11 there’s nothing really on the bench that gives that option. Sheaf can but it’s usually the ball before the final ball


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[cc84cov]

I think of one our biggest issues, and it’s not necessarily a new one, is just how few players we have who can play a dangerous ball into the box or a killer final pass. In last nights eleven, Dabo and O’Hare get in the most dangerous positions but both have shocking final balls. Dabo doesn’t have a Championship assist yet. Allen isn’t really one for playing a killer ball, which means Hamer and Maatsen are really the only two who can put a threatening ball in. This increases the pressure on them delivering. Even beyond the 11 there’s nothing really on the bench that gives that option. Sheaf can but it’s usually the ball before the final ball


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Allen has a better “killer ball” than O’Hare though surely ?

 

[Great_Expectations]

Some crazy and assuming emotive scores on here. I think I watched a different game to some.

Management team have to take the slack for the last 20/30 minutes, it was crying out for pace and balls over the top, through the gaps for players to run onto. They potentially tried to address that by bringing Jones on, but he neither played off the last man or got into positions to use his pace to run at them.

Equally at times we had 4/5 players on there back line and the balls just didn’t come. Sheaf I’m at CB to help Hamer would have helped, as it was reliant on him picking the right ball each time and covering all of CM which is unfair.

Secondary number 10 is absolutely pivotal in January.

 

[cc84cov]

Some crazy and assuming emotive scores on here. I think I watched a different game to some.

Management team have to take the slack for the last 20/30 minutes, it was crying out for pace and balls over the top, through the gaps for players to run onto. They potentially tried to address that by bringing Jones on, but he neither played off the last man or got into positions to use his pace to run at them.

Equally at times we had 4/5 players on there back line and the balls just didn’t come. Sheaf I’m at CB to help Hamer would have helped, as it was reliant on him picking the right ball each time and covering all of CM which is unfair.

Secondary number 10 is absolutely pivotal in January.

Literally everything we done was too slow and in front of them

 

[Londonccfcfan]

First half last night we got a free kick, Patterson stood over it, ref told him to retreat, he only retreated about a yard so Dabo plays the free kick backwards.
Odds on that if he kicks it against Patterson the ref books him. We are so lacking in that sort of nouse its incredible.

Every time they got a throw in, Patterson first to pick up ball up (knowing hes never gonna take it) but shapes to take it..... only to throw it his team mate who takes them. EVERY TIME! The time wasting was unbelievable.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Some crazy and assuming emotive scores on here. I think I watched a different game to some.

Management team have to take the slack for the last 20/30 minutes, it was crying out for pace and balls over the top, through the gaps for players to run onto. They potentially tried to address that by bringing Jones on, but he neither played off the last man or got into positions to use his pace to run at them.

Equally at times we had 4/5 players on there back line and the balls just didn’t come. Sheaf I’m at CB to help Hamer would have helped, as it was reliant on him picking the right ball each time and covering all of CM which is unfair.

Secondary number 10 is absolutely pivotal in January.

I think the whole stadium knew we wernt gonna equalise as soon a Jodi Jones got on. Still having nightmares wtf was that about!

 

[LastGarrison]

Bar the first 10 minutes I don’t think we played badly at all.

Swansea look a good side and their confidence in their passing and keeping the ball was quality at times.

I can remember looking at the clock when we’d been pressing them for a while and it was the 86th minute and rather than just hoofing it forward they calmly passed it around the back and worked their way out.

As has been said bit of a strange line up and substitutions but I think it shows that we desperately need another CAM to mix it up when O’Hare is making no impact on the game.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I think we just need that second goal before half time when we put them under consistant pressure. We got one deservedly but couldnt quite get the 2nd.

Was just a very disaapointing first 15 mins.

 

[Northeast sky blue]

One of the most disappointing things for me, not just last night but in a lot of games, is the amount of times we're in good attacking positions only to be let down by poor decision making or just rank bad passing or crossing

 

[Grendel]

Hamer had a great game tonight. Some of these scores and assessments are just bizarre.

First 45 minutes he was terrible and seemed to spend most of it trying to get sent off

 

[clint van damme]

I think the whole stadium knew we wernt gonna equalise as soon a Jodi Jones got on. Still having nightmares wtf was that about!

He received the ball on the halfway turn on the edge of the box and had the chance to turn and run goalwards but he laud the ball back. It's going to be a long time before he gets his confidence to go at people.

 

[The Philosopher]

He received the ball on the halfway turn on the edge of the box and had the chance to turn and run goalwards but he laud the ball back. It's going to be a long time before he gets his confidence to go at people.

He needs to go on loan somewhere to get some games. It’s as simple as that. He last played regularly at L2. Playing at the top of the Champ is different soup and he should be nowhere near the pitch until he’s shown that he’s ready.

He showed he had talent at L2/L1 but then again so did Shipley. Sorry to be real about it.

We need an affiliate to push him to that is a higher level than Nuneaton. Ship him to Solihull Moors (does the loan window apply to non-league?, can’t remember) until Xmas window and go from there.

Really hope he makes it but chucking him on to try to turn a high level Champ game was nothing short of a weird experiment. Ok if we were 4-0 up not at 2-1 down.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

He needs to go on loan somewhere to get some games. It’s as simple as that. He last played regularly at L2. Playing at the top of the Champ is different soup and he should be nowhere near the pitch until he’s shown that he’s ready.

He showed he had talent at L2/L1 but then again so did Shipley. Sorry to be real about it.

We need an affiliate to push him to that is a higher level than Nuneaton. Ship him to Solihull Moors (does the loan window apply to non-league?, can’t remember) until Xmas window and go from there.

Really hope he makes it but chucking him on to try to turn a high level Champ game was nothing short of a weird experiment. Ok if we were 4-0 up not at 2-1 down.

He will probably go out on loan in January to try and earn a contract elsewhere. Putting him on last night was desperation

 

[Londonccfcfan]

He received the ball on the halfway turn on the edge of the box and had the chance to turn and run goalwards but he laud the ball back. It's going to be a long time before he gets his confidence to go at people.

Ripping it up in league 2 a few seasons ago and looking great in that season is million miles away from where we are now as a club.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He received the ball on the halfway turn on the edge of the box and had the chance to turn and run goalwards but he laud the ball back. It's going to be a long time before he gets his confidence to go at people.

He picked the ball up on the corner of the area and drove into space to win a corner at one point, people are seeing what they want to see with Jones.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Who seems to now be in the bomb squad

Fascinating fact, but we've won every league game he's appeared in this season!

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I thought Jones made a pretty positive impact when he came on. We definitely looked a lot more of a threat going forward with him on the pitch. A few times he got down the wing and stretched Swansea at the back. I'm surprised by the amount of negative comments on his performance last night.

 

[shmmeee]

Fascinating fact, but we've won every league game he's appeared in this season!

Well according to peoples logic with Kelly that means he’s a key player and should be captain.

 

[SAJ]

They weren’t the best team we’ve played all season at all. Luton and QPR were better, Cardiff and Fulham caused us more problems. They just play keep ball, but they were shaky at the back and impotent up front.

I think the word “arguably” actual means some may believe that, rather than they were. To me they were far better than QPR. Every team causes us some problems. Luton I agree were far better than us but when as a team you fail to turn up everybody is better. I don’t think Luton will end up top 6 but I expect Swansea will.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

2nd half was a masterclass in how to waste time. And the Referee bought it all the time.

and then played a ridiculously low amount of injury time.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Gyo needs Waghorn or a rest

He'll get a 2 week rest after Saturday. After that he has to start every game as his style of play has become pivotal to our success so far this season. I agree he seems to perform best with Wagthorn around.