Seem to remember we did for the best part of 30 years.
Realistic Expectations next season (2 Viewers)
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Anybody who has expectations other than surviving needs to have a rethink... or has been playing too much football manager
Gibbo
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Not that simple. I admire your easy confidence
covcity4life
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For the glass half full lot Granada in Spain have 3rd lowest budget and today they qualified for the Europa league in Spain's la liga
BackRoomRummermill
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Top 6 or very near, we were supposed to go down from league one when we went up 2 seasons ago , we will be a good team in this league !
Sick Boy
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The gap between the top of the Championship and top of League 1 is huge compared to that of League 2 and League 1.
BackRoomRummermill
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its all about economy of scale ,the L1 top 6 is hard if you have just come up from league 2 by the mere fact you have been playing a league lower .
As for Champ yes it’s obviously a gulf between L1 , but with the right squad and attitude there is no reason to think we could not hold our own , it the same step up from league to league . We have nothing to fear, at present
ccfcway
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recent EFL survey
The highest-paid player at one championship southern club is £68,000 a week,
Whilst the average highest wage across all 18 clubs is £29,000. These figures do not include bonuses but are instead basic salaries, players have the potential to earn much more.
That average from League One, where the average wage of a highest-paid player is £4,753 per week
The highest-paid player at one championship southern club is £68,000 a week,
Whilst the average highest wage across all 18 clubs is £29,000. These figures do not include bonuses but are instead basic salaries, players have the potential to earn much more.
That average from League One, where the average wage of a highest-paid player is £4,753 per week
We have just been promoted with the best record in this division for years all be it ten games short and are going to add to that squad with scouted players hopefully a couple of quality loans too. Paying big wages doesn’t make you a good side look at Hull, Huddersfield, Stoke as examples, we have a squad of good players comfortable in a good system of play and good management having watched a few of championship games recently I think top half is more than possible.
BackRoomRummermill
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wages mean very little . there have been many many big wage flops , it does not ensure success
BackRoomRummermill
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sorry I agree lol did not see your post you got in first , well said
kg82
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What does “promoted with the best record in this division for years” mean? Are you talking about us, as a club? That is the best we’ve done in league 1? Or are you talking in general, that at that stage of the season our record was better than teams of previous years?
mrtrench
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Quite possibly. There's an awful lot of tosh written on here sometimes. I'd file that comment with suggestions that SISU want to deliberately make a loss on the club for tax reasons.
shmmeee
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Mean or median?
ccfcway
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agreed it doesn't ensure success, but id disagree it means very little, its a big factor.
SlowerThanPlatt
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A quick look at any league table even League 1 and 2 would show you the more money you spend the higher the chance of succeeding. In League 2 we were paying the highest wages and in League 1 were very competitive - to finish near the top 6 we are going to have over achieve far more than we previously have
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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Fairly worried about the expectations people are setting out. Frequent talk of top 6, whilst not impossible, really shouldn't be the benchmark we are setting ourselves. Survival will be very tough, and that has to be the aim. Every position above 21st is a monumental effort. For every Sheffield United there are 10 Luton/Barnsleys. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Agreed, slightly concerned a few people are getting carried away a bit. The positive side of this is that it shows just how much progress we’re making! But, I’m keeping a lid on it for now.
Anything above the relegation zone is a successful season for me.
We need to model our growth on a Bournemouth / Brentford model. Survive the first year, then build on that to eventually compete with the big boys.
Yorkshire SB
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Nonsense, wage budget to league position is a proven positive correlation
Money spent on transfers not so much, that is an inconsistent market
Unless a number of our players prove to be good championship players (which I think can happen), we're going to struggle. The ambition has to be to avoid relegation and slowly improve the stature and finances of the club so we can compete.
Paxman II
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I might add that management/coaching set up has a lot to do with it. You can throw a lot of money at a team but if the manager/coaching is weak then the team fails.
MR's and AV seem to have developed a teriffic understanding. It's not quite Clough and Taylor yet, but it certainly has a direction. They know what they want, how to go about it, bags of experience, and have created a spirit and belief at the club. Young hungry players anxious to improve, one or two very good ones, and a couple of top loans will see us do well.
MR's has no pressure on him, as staying up will be seen as acceptable, though I think disappointing. He will want to do better in order to keep improving, just like his team.
Those that play good football (Leeds, WBA, Brentford are all at the top of the table) Physical sides will be an issue for us perhaps, as were Rotherham, but over a season we will prove a good side.
MR's and AV seem to have developed a teriffic understanding. It's not quite Clough and Taylor yet, but it certainly has a direction. They know what they want, how to go about it, bags of experience, and have created a spirit and belief at the club. Young hungry players anxious to improve, one or two very good ones, and a couple of top loans will see us do well.
MR's has no pressure on him, as staying up will be seen as acceptable, though I think disappointing. He will want to do better in order to keep improving, just like his team.
Those that play good football (Leeds, WBA, Brentford are all at the top of the table) Physical sides will be an issue for us perhaps, as were Rotherham, but over a season we will prove a good side.
Ring Of Steel
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Some of the stuff on here is crazy, at both ends of the 'optimism v pessimism' scale..
Its impossible to have firm expectations whatsoever- probably even more this season than any before, some teams are still playing, nobody can predict anything with any certainty.
Wages do play a big part but thats not a 100% rule as Sheff Utd, Stoke, Huddersfield etc have proved very clearly. The most important thing is to not start demanding inquests & heads to roll if we start slow, and not start planning out the trips to Anfield & Man City if we start well.
Its not about having "expectations", its about having a good grasp on where we are and what constitutes success, judge how we do against that. Staying up is the mission, thats obvious from everything coming out of the club, so we should be of the same mindset and not go mental if we lose a few or indeed over the top if we win a few.
Its impossible to have firm expectations whatsoever- probably even more this season than any before, some teams are still playing, nobody can predict anything with any certainty.
Wages do play a big part but thats not a 100% rule as Sheff Utd, Stoke, Huddersfield etc have proved very clearly. The most important thing is to not start demanding inquests & heads to roll if we start slow, and not start planning out the trips to Anfield & Man City if we start well.
Its not about having "expectations", its about having a good grasp on where we are and what constitutes success, judge how we do against that. Staying up is the mission, thats obvious from everything coming out of the club, so we should be of the same mindset and not go mental if we lose a few or indeed over the top if we win a few.
usskyblue
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It’s this kind of balanced bollox that ruins a good old fashioned unreasonable argument.
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BackRoomRummermill
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So that amazing flop paul pogba is on YTS wages then .... nonsense yourself
Irish Sky Blue
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Fisher said top 8 budget for League Two and didn't Body say recently that last season we had a mid table budget in League 1?
In other words Robins and the team punched above their weight, which they will have to do again this season.
BornSlippySkyBlue
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There will always be individual outliers, but in general the more spent on wages the higher the likely league position. Bit out of date (2012) data, but this comparison suggests the correlation between spending and league position is far more pronounced in the prem than the champ. In the season this relates to for example, wolves had one of the highest wage bills and finished second bottom of the league. We need to hope the champ is still similarly unpredictable and that we can do a ‘reverse wolves’ (which is not a sexual position for Dabo or anyone else).
lifeskyblue
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Embargo at Charlton means they can’t offer new contracts to those who run out. Naby Sarr and Lyle Taylor are two affected.
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Yorkshire SB
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If you’re allowed to say whatever comes into your head, I’m allowed to say that it’s nonsense.
There are teams who are objectively speaking, position for position stronger than we are, and they won’t make the play offs. I’m not trying to be negative and I’m optimistic players can step up and Robins and the club can make us competitive, but predicting a top 6 finish and saying wages aren’t important is crap.
BackRoomRummermill
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So what happened last season when we finished top with a mid league budget or did I imagine it ?
BornSlippySkyBlue
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Teams occasionally buck the trend, but it isn’t really disputable that more money = higher league finish. Is it?