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Indeed.
The very act of agreeing to arbitration would be a signal that both 'sides' want this resolved.
That'd be a start.
But then it comes to trust. Trust that someone, in either camp, according to which "side of the fence" you sit on, would actually give the absolute truth/facts that would help this situation, or even show they really do want it to be resolved.
I'd like to think there is some hope somewhere, but I just cannot see it.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.
Way too late 18 months to 2yrs too late.
Made their bed and have to" Lie " in It ,and boy have they .
Just wrong !!
You perhaps have this success fantasy where Otium/Sisu suddenly put up their hands and say 'it's a fair cop, you got us good and proper, we were evil incarnate and now we're going to do the right thing and hand over this wonderful property to someone who can do justice to it like Gary Hoffman.' It's not going to happen, brother.
I predict that the JR will be a forum for airing petty grievances. Whoever loses will appeal and if the appeal goes the wrong way they will appeal again. Lawyers will make shedloads and we'll still be on here bickering about who's got the moral rectitude. Fucking shambles. The club, meanwhile, will continue to be shit.
A lot of people have nailed their colours to the mast. They've decided that their 'team' (council or Sisu) is by far the greatest team etc. Meanwhile, our 'team' (the proper football playing team) will only suffer.
I say fuck the council. Fuck Otium. Fuck ACL. Binding arbitration by an independent body, agreed by all parties, really shouldn't be such a big problem.
Why the fuck not?
You perhaps have this success fantasy where Otium/Sisu suddenly put up their hands and say 'it's a fair cop, you got us good and proper, we were evil incarnate and now we're going to do the right thing and hand over this wonderful property to someone who can do justice to it like Gary Hoffman.' It's not going to happen, brother.
I predict that the JR will be a forum for airing petty grievances. Whoever loses will appeal and if the appeal goes the wrong way they will appeal again. Lawyers will make shedloads and we'll still be on here bickering about who's got the moral rectitude. Fucking shambles. The club, meanwhile, will continue to be shit.
A lot of people have nailed their colours to the mast. They've decided that their 'team' (council or Sisu) is by far the greatest team etc. Meanwhile, our 'team' (the proper football playing team) will only suffer.
I say fuck the council. Fuck Otium. Fuck ACL. Binding arbitration by an independent body, agreed by all parties, really shouldn't be such a big problem.
Why the fuck not?
Are you saying sisu are LYING about a new stadium--I hadn't considered that.
That is not what I am saying at all, in my opinion a new stadium has a 20% chance of being built and that's being generous!
A lot of people have realised that Joy wants what can't be given.
A lot of people have realised that Joy don't negotiate.
A lot of people have realised that SISU don't want what is best for our club or us.
A lot of people have noticed that SISU won't pay anywhere near it's value, and by law CCC can't let it go for less.
Would you like to explain this 'binding arbitration' thing that has been made up? So if the value of what they want was set at 60m, which it easily could be, SISU would have to pay even if they couldn't raise the cash? You need to remember what Joy wants. She even wants the surrounding land.
You know that Higgs tried to sell to SISU for 5.5m yet still say that Higgs value it as what they paid our club for it.
Yes nearly all of us want a fair price to be paid. That is what would bring this shambles to an end. If SISU were willing to pay a fair price it would have been done by now. And we wouldn't be playing in Northampton. But it is so easy to push the blame towards CCC and Higgs although the evidence so far shows the truth to be slightly different.
You know that Higgs tried to sell to SISU for 5.5m yet still say that Higgs value it as what they paid our club for it.
Yes nearly all of us want a fair price to be paid. That is what would bring this shambles to an end. If SISU were willing to pay a fair price it would have been done by now. And we wouldn't be playing in Northampton. But it is so easy to push the blame towards CCC and Higgs although the evidence so far shows the truth to be slightly different.
What is a fair price though? Say it is valued at nothing, what would a fair price be?
Think a few people who post regular threads on this site may be in for a huge shock in the coming weeks! PUSB
What is a fair price though? Say it is valued at nothing, what would a fair price be?
18 months ago there were none, now after SISU have shown they are willing to cause massive damage to the club with the exceptionally illogical (in terms of ccfc's interests) and willing to lie and mislead everyone, any solution that ends with them staying in charge of the club is an unacceptable solution, I just can't bring myself to support a club owned and run for the benefit of these villains.
Why do you keep using the quote as if it is valued at nothing? If it was worth nothing why are SISU willing to do what they are to our club and lose millions for our club each year to get something without any value?
What would you say it is worth? What would you say is fair?
Everybody is fucking insane.
Don't want independent valuations, arbritration or for the club to get back to Coventry at all from the looks of things.
Just what would be wrong with it? What are people so scared of?
Mentalists the lot of you.
I've no issue with binding arbitration, but I think there are a few things here to consider.
The first one is the scope - what are we talking about buying & selling here? ACL, the council's share in ACL, the Higgs share in ACL, the Ricoh freehold encumbered, Ricoh unencumbered, surrounding land etc? All of those things have issues.
Let's take the simplest one, selling ACL: As it stands, you can't sell the ACL shares without agreement from both sides, Higgs and CCC. Even if one side was willing to enter into binding arbitration, would the others? The Higgs may not be willing (or able) to enter into a deal for less than their current valuation. The Council may not legally be able to do that either. Binding arbitration with one party (SISU) obviously precludes the possiblity of selling on the open market, which might be a requirement to prove that the council are fulfilling their legal obligations to get the best possible return on their investments.
And if we are talking about selling to SISU, then what bit of SISU? Are we, for instance, going to allow a SISU company not directly involved with the club take ownership of some or all of the stuff above, and leave the club potentially still in a landlord/tenant relationship without direct access to revenue streams? Would that really be to the long-term benefit of the club? What guarantees would SISU be prepared to offer to protect the club's interests as opposed to their own, which may differ.
In the meantime, what happens with the JR. You can't really enter into arbitration whilst someone is taking you to court - it's either one or the other imho. Would SISU be willing to drop the court action?
I guess what I'm saying is that it's very easy to call for something like binding arbitration because 'we just want what's fair for everybody' sounds extremely reasonable. However, even a minor bit of analysis shows how difficult it is to establish the boundaries of what you are arbitrating on, and with whom. I'm not sure it's anywhere near as simple as it sounds, with all due respect NW.
I still think we are at a stalemate until the JR, and the fastest way to get everyone talking is to get the club back at the Ricoh and start negotiations from there. Until SISU do that I can't accept that what they are doing is in any way for the best of the club, and I'm not sure I'd trust them to negotiate on what's best for the club either. Just mho, as ever.
Yeah, no wonder northern Ireland and south Africa were never able to move on. Insurmountable.
council lovers dont want the truth to come out it seems....
Joy believes that the Club should own, it's own stadium to me that doesn't unviable.
It seems Joy doesn't want to negotiate down to what Joy believes to of been injustice when ACL/CCC and PH4's party tried to purchase the Club in the Admin process, whether this is accurate or not time will tell.
Maybe that is the case, however the argument I would pose is that if Sisu's are intentions are to recoup there investment, why not purchase the Ricoh and it's revenues and fight through the leagues within five years of purchasing the Ricoh they could be in the Premier league.
ccfc will never own ricoh and have been forced away then.
and you seem happy about it.
Fisher has got you hook, line and sinker. Our football club was never forced out even when not paying any rent. Or would you like to explain differently?
Fisher has got you hook, line and sinker. Our football club was never forced out even when not paying any rent. Or would you like to explain differently?
We will not actually know the full situation until the JR I suspect.
because change is required long term.
sisu have been forced into this to bend council to their will, if it doesn't work they will have to build a new stadium
either way free rent at ricoh isnt enough for ccfc long term.
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