Referee (5 Viewers)

Skybluecov1 · Oct 30, 2024

When I use to ref, I would always explain the decision as to why I gave a free kick. Stops people moaning. But like everyone they’re human beings and unfortunately will make an incorrect decision. As long as they hold their hands up to say the decision was incorrect will take the heat of them a little.
Also as with players, refs should talk to the media after the game then they can put their point across to the fans.

mmttww · Oct 30, 2024

chiefdave said:
If you started dishing out red cards and suspensions for descent it would soon stop.

Exactly, same as when the backpass rule came in. You'd have a few weeks where idiots chance it and get sent off for dissent then it'd stop. It's easier than the backpass rule as you're just enforcing existing laws. Football governance is a joke, though so I doubt anyone's got the stones to keep it simple. You'll just see new 'initiatives' or 'campaigns' paying it lip service for a few weeks.

Bad Boy · Oct 30, 2024

All this getting into refs faces constantly can be stopped in a heartbeat.
Players get 5 seconds to back off from the officials otherwise they're off with a 3 game ban to follow.
I'd be quite happy to watch the game go 5 a side knowing the gobby foul mouthed petulant children are back in the dressing room. Same rule for managers and coaches.
Dissent has got to be stamped out, it's just wrong wrong wrong.

Nick · Oct 30, 2024

chiefdave said:
Starts at the top for me. When all you see on TV is players and managers surrounding the ref and getting in their face what do the authorities think will happen further down the pyramid?

Its such an easy problem to solve as well, its not an issue in other sports because its not tolerated. If you started dishing out red cards and suspensions for descent it would soon stop.

Exactly, the issue is players will know which refs will be bullied etc.

I know I call for it most games but that's because players do it against us and seemingly get away with it.

You see Morris get booked for shouting at the ref but then continues to do it but gets away with it. Start sending players off for it and it will soon stop.

With that though, increasing the actual quality of officials will probably help people being so pissed off with them as well.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 30, 2024

Lad had challenge on red card he’d given for an insult he received from a coach
Shouldn’t put up with it and so doesn’t but then made to feel he’s sensitive for stamping it out

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 30, 2024

Nick said:
Exactly, the issue is players will know which refs will be bullied etc.

I know I call for it most games but that's because players do it against us and seemingly get away with it.

You see Morris get booked for shouting at the ref but then continues to do it but gets away with it. Start sending players off for it and it will soon stop.

With that though, increasing the actual quality of officials will probably help people being so pissed off with them as well.

Watching my lad it’s a wonder anyone does it. The constant challenge and questioning and low level and high level bullying and intimidation is madness

the only way you get better at the top level is attracting people at the lower levels and you naturally get the best rising to the top

Nick · Oct 30, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Watching my lad it’s a wonder anyone does it. The constant challenge and questioning and low level and high level bullying and intimidation is madness

the only way you get better at the top level is attracting people at the lower levels and you naturally get the best rising to the top

Maybe it's on the people who qualify refs to do better as well?

I agree it's not on to assault refs. Regardless. Saying stuff to them, depends on the ref and how they are.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 30, 2024

Nick said:
Maybe it's on the people who qualify refs to do better as well?

I agree it's not on to assault refs. Regardless. Saying stuff to them, depends on the ref and how they are.

Verbal assault still assault

Colin Steins Smile · Oct 30, 2024

The pressure of players surrounding referees along with the verbal interactions/abuse are definitely part of most teams DNA and obviously promoted by the coaching staff.
It's one of the dark arts of the game to intimidate referees and needs to be stamped out. As many have said in previous posts, I would love to see a referee yellow card a player for the 1st time they abuse him and a red card for any second occasion.
As for our grassroots football, if things carry on in the current trend then it'll reduce the opportunities for people to play football, as there will not be the referees to staff games.
If the professional game cleans up it's act, then it'll set an example for further down the games pyramid.
I just hope the referees are given clear instructions to yellow card for first offence and red for second.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 30, 2024

Colin Steins Smile said:
The pressure of players surrounding referees along with the verbal interactions/abuse are definitely part of most teams DNA and obviously promoted by the coaching staff.
It's one of the dark arts of the game to intimidate referees and needs to be stamped out. As many have said in previous posts, I would love to see a referee yellow card a player for the 1st time they abuse him and a red card for any second occasion.
As for our grassroots football, if things carry on in the current trend then it'll reduce the opportunities for people to play football, as there will not be the referees to staff games.
If the professional game cleans up it's act, then it'll set an example for further down the games pyramid.
I just hope the referees are given clear instructions to yellow card for first offence and red for second.

I think the sin bin has huge benefits at the top level

skybluegod · Oct 30, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think the sin bin has huge benefits at the top level

It's an interesting one Pete. I love it at the the grassroots level. Think it works well whenever it's used properly.

But speaking to some of the top level premier league officials at recent conferences they seem very divided on it, and by in large I would say more are against it rather than for it which I was surprised at.

Adge · Oct 30, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think the sin bin has huge benefits at the top level

Indeed. The trial of 3-4 years ago has been successful and adopted so why not do a trial at lower league levels? Ie-start off in the National League.The statistics back up that dissent is down because of the Sin Bin scenario.

Mcbean · Oct 30, 2024

also time wasting by taking the refs attention - he's given a free kick and they still continue to complain

fatso · Oct 30, 2024

At premier league level it could be stamped out very quickly. Eg, if a ref reports a team for intimidating behaviour etc to the FA, then a panel can review the footage, and if necessary deduct points as a result.

If behaviours change at the top, then that will filter down to grass roots.

Potbellypig · Oct 30, 2024

fatso said:
At premier league level it could be stamped out very quickly. Eg, if a ref reports a team for intimidating behaviour etc to the FA, then a panel can review the footage, and if necessary deduct points as a result.

If behaviours change at the top, then that will filter down to grass roots.

Exactly. Regardless of age, it's been like that forever and a day. Monkey see, monkey do.

Nick · Oct 30, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Verbal assault still assault

Depends what is said really and the situation.

Johhny Blue · Oct 30, 2024

We'll_live_and_die said:
Ref was ok in my opinion, linos were useless however

You’ve got to give him credit for keeping his flag down for Hadji’s goal. Not offside but he had an impossible task to decide whether or not Lati got a touch in an offside position.

Nick · Oct 30, 2024

Johhny Blue said:
You’ve got to give him credit for keeping his flag down for Hadji’s goal. Not offside but he had an impossible task to decide whether or not Lati got a touch in an offside position.

Lati wasn't offside in the end. Their full back was playing him on, right in front of the lino.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 30, 2024

Nick said:
Depends what is said really and the situation.

Exactly

Bad Boy · Oct 30, 2024

Nick said:
Depends what is said really and the situation.

Well I'd be astounded if it was polite and respectful.

Johhny Blue · Oct 30, 2024

Nick said:
Lati wasn't offside in the end. Their full back was playing him on, right in front of the lino.

I don’t think he was when Dimm’s made contact but I’ll go back and check

SlowerThanPlatt · Nov 3, 2024

Johhny Blue · Nov 5, 2024

Looks more like the ref explaining to the players that he was checking for a push

Nick · Nov 5, 2024

Johhny Blue said:
Looks more like the ref explaining to the players that he was checking for a push

He gave a corner though I think?

eastwoodsdustman · Nov 5, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Lad had challenge on red card he’d given for an insult he received from a coach
Shouldn’t put up with it and so doesn’t but then made to feel he’s sensitive for stamping it out

Hopefully the bloke gets an extended ban now Pete.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 5, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Lad had challenge on red card he’d given for an insult he received from a coach
Shouldn’t put up with it and so doesn’t but then made to feel he’s sensitive for stamping it out

More power to him for that Pete. Hope the local FA backs him up.

pusbccfc · Nov 6, 2024

Jesus, how bad was he tonight? The time wasting, the fake injuries, the foul before the goal where he forgot to give the yellow card.

Tomh111 · Nov 6, 2024

Worst officiating of the season tonight

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edgy · Nov 6, 2024

Can't blame the ref for that shite.

Nick · Nov 6, 2024

Tomh111 said:
Worst officiating of the season tonight

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Not sure it was.

hinckley cov · Nov 6, 2024

Nick said:
Not sure it was.

I think VR would have given a penalty for the push in Clark’s back near the end .

pusbccfc · Nov 6, 2024

edgy said:
Can't blame the ref for that shite.

No, but he was a huge part of it.

edgy · Nov 6, 2024

pusbccfc said:
No, but he was a huge part of it.

In what way? Nothing he did effected the performance and result.

Skyblue Bangkok · Nov 6, 2024

hinckley cov said:
I think VR would have given a penalty for the push in Clark’s back near the end .

Don't think VAR would have as they would go with the refs original on decision. Besides you can't give a pen when a gust of wind blows a player over.

pusbccfc · Nov 6, 2024

edgy said:
In what way? Nothing he did effected the performance and result.

Besides the time wasting, lack of yellow cards, the regular fake injuries. It's all part of it and the referee allowed it to happen.

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