stupot07
Well-Known Member
Agreed they should have a) bought 1/2 Ricoh or at least renegotiated rent and F&B's, and b) slashed the wage bill right at the start. Costs need to be got under control and they didn't do it.
But weren't they supposed to have put the breaks on that? Well they didn't did they instead they put their foot flat to the gas and that is why we are where we are
No it's not! Who's been paying ALL the wages? Who paid for the 'Training Camp'? If things don't change and we don't own our own ground and receive ALL revenue streams (under FIFA Fair Play Rules, our Club will NOT EXIST), just ask Mark Robins, Paul Fletcher, Ray Ranson, Geoffrey Robinson and NUMEROUS OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's not actually known though is it, it's just something that's gained the currency of truth by being repeated... repeatedly.
That's not actually known though is it, it's just something that's gained the currency of truth by being repeated... repeatedly.
We ALL need to 'stick together' and Support the Manager, Team, Players & Staff even if it means attending games at Northampton IMHO! PUSB!
I can't remember exactly which forum it was.
Would be great if someone could dig up the recording. I am convinced that Fisher did say we would not be owning the ground and would be paying rent.
I believe your correct Otis, we have discussed this before.
It's very obvious that the vast majority have spoken but always one strange and newish member who likes to rock the boat a little. But everyone has a choice?
Any new ground will be constructed by a developer who will raise the capital. The caveat to this is SISU/football club will then pay the mortgage. That mortgage will be far less than the 1.3m rent they were paying to ACL for a rented pitch.
CCFC/SISU will own the new stadium freehold and an increasing asset. ALL revenue streams will be received. Other activities such as concerts, F&B and then some will also be all the clubs.
SISU know we will not be rushing back to the big time for a number of years at best, maybe 5, 10 years unless there is some fantastic performances and luck. So this plan is the only way to recoup their investment. Once they stabilize the club in say the Championship again with a new stadium they will finally have their get out clause and the club with the stadium will sell for some 60m upwards easily.
The debt everyone says is already heaped on the football club is nonsense. paper and more paper trail and largely written down/off.
Now ask yourself will you pay rent for a pitch to play on when you could have your own if you are prepared to take some short term heartbreak to get it?
None of this is rocket science.
The only alternative is some ownership or long lease term in the Rocoh to provide an equivalent exit strategy but it seems up to now the council refuse to recognise this simple fact. It's never been about the rent on it's own. The 1.3m was extortion and the level ACL offered at 400k proved this fact. It moved on from there to the future of the football club which needs revenue from the stadium it plays in from the customers it provides to help sustain it's very survival.
SISU may have played hard ball and be seen to be inflexible and uncaring but I have not seen any action from the council that has been very different.
Perhaps now with new talks being suggested in progress there will be a final coming together and a way forward at the Ricoh arena?
Another point I'd like to throw in. As it stands SISU's last position was to insert a 3 year 'break' clause into the Ricoh rent agreement, if SISU entities own a stadium & rent it to CCFC then I bet there will be no break clause in their lease, effectively preventing new owners moving to a superior stadium.
Nice bit of hypocrisy.
Your miss-guided IMHO. If our gross revenue continues to decrease, WE'LL HAVE LESS & LESS MONEY TO SPEND ON BOTH TRANSFERS & WAGES! Fact, 'FIFA Fair Play Rules'. I REPEAT I SUPPORT THE MANAGER, TEAM, PLAYERS & STAFF and will continue to do so as I've done for more years than I care to remember.
I have only ever 'supported' one owner (and even he came with 'baggage') and I'm pretty sure I'm not on my own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any new ground will be constructed by a developer who will raise the capital. The caveat to this is SISU/football club will then pay the mortgage. That mortgage will be far less than the 1.3m rent they were paying to ACL for a rented pitch.
CCFC/SISU will own the new stadium freehold and an increasing asset. ALL revenue streams will be received. Other activities such as concerts, F&B and then some will also be all the clubs.
SISU know we will not be rushing back to the big time for a number of years at best, maybe 5, 10 years unless there is some fantastic performances and luck. So this plan is the only way to recoup their investment. Once they stabilize the club in say the Championship again with a new stadium they will finally have their get out clause and the club with the stadium will sell for some 60m upwards easily.
The debt everyone says is already heaped on the football club is nonsense. paper and more paper trail and largely written down/off.
Now ask yourself will you pay rent for a pitch to play on when you could have your own if you are prepared to take some short term heartbreak to get it?
None of this is rocket science.
The only alternative is some ownership or long lease term in the Rocoh to provide an equivalent exit strategy but it seems up to now the council refuse to recognise this simple fact. It's never been about the rent on it's own. The 1.3m was extortion and the level ACL offered at 400k proved this fact. It moved on from there to the future of the football club which needs revenue from the stadium it plays in from the customers it provides to help sustain it's very survival.
SISU may have played hard ball and be seen to be inflexible and uncaring but I have not seen any action from the council that has been very different.
Perhaps now with new talks being suggested in progress there will be a final coming together and a way forward at the Ricoh arena?
Any new ground will be constructed by a developer who will raise the capital. The caveat to this is SISU/football club will then pay the mortgage. That mortgage will be far less than the 1.3m rent they were paying to ACL for a rented pitch.
CCFC/SISU will own the new stadium freehold and an increasing asset. ALL revenue streams will be received. Other activities such as concerts, F&B and then some will also be all the clubs.
SISU know we will not be rushing back to the big time for a number of years at best, maybe 5, 10 years unless there is some fantastic performances and luck. So this plan is the only way to recoup their investment. Once they stabilize the club in say the Championship again with a new stadium they will finally have their get out clause and the club with the stadium will sell for some 60m upwards easily.
The debt everyone says is already heaped on the football club is nonsense. paper and more paper trail and largely written down/off.
Now ask yourself will you pay rent for a pitch to play on when you could have your own if you are prepared to take some short term heartbreak to get it?
None of this is rocket science.
The only alternative is some ownership or long lease term in the Rocoh to provide an equivalent exit strategy but it seems up to now the council refuse to recognise this simple fact. It's never been about the rent on it's own. The 1.3m was extortion and the level ACL offered at 400k proved this fact. It moved on from there to the future of the football club which needs revenue from the stadium it plays in from the customers it provides to help sustain it's very survival.
SISU may have played hard ball and be seen to be inflexible and uncaring but I have not seen any action from the council that has been very different.
Perhaps now with new talks being suggested in progress there will be a final coming together and a way forward at the Ricoh arena?
I can't remember exactly which forum it was.
Would be great if someone could dig up the recording. I am convinced that Fisher did say we would not be owning the ground and would be paying rent.
At the final fans forum on 10th June, when asked if a new stadium would be a CCFC asset or a SISU asset, I believe TF gave just one reply. His actual reply was "the structure hasn't even been considered at this stage, it would be an opco propco which is the most important point".
The definition of an opco propco is:- An operating company/property company deal (opco propco) is a strategy in which a company is divided into at least two parts: a property company that owns all the real estate and assets associated with generating revenues, and an operating company that uses those assets to generate sales.
So for a new stadium asset to belong to CCFC and not SISU, CCFC would need to consist of two companies, one which operates the football club and one which is a property company owning the stadium. Fat chance.
Effectively TF has still not answered the question on ownership of a new stadium because it depends on whether CCCFC or SISU/developers would own the property company. I am sure he would be quick to tell us if it was CCFC that would own the property company as this might generate support for his plans. I am equally sure that the structure of asset ownership has been considered as this would be an essential component of any development plan, and he has already been quick to tell us the names of the impressive (OSB58's description) list of business partners in this venture. Of course it would not be in SISU interest to tell us the stadium will not be an asset of CCFC, as this would undoubtedly increase hostility for SISU plans, so no surprise TF claims they haven't even considered this. Does anyone on here seriously believe him on this?
By supporting the Team you are helping to pay their wages, not supporting the owners. As supporters we don't get to choose the owners, never have done and never will IMHO! Why don't you protest so vigorously against CCC & ACL??????????
So for a new stadium asset to belong to CCFC and not SISU, CCFC would need to consist of two companies, one which operates the football club and one which is a property company owning the stadium. Fat chance.
Although of course the club's whole argument re: CCFC is Holdings operates the football club, while Ltd. is the property arm.
Do you or do you not believe that SISU hasn't even yet considered whether it will be CCFC or SISU/developer that would own a new stadium?
I don't think it would be set in stone, no, as this particular course of action is clearly a rushed decision to progress along this line of discourse (otherwise you'd have plans to show people, land bought, and be a fair way along the planning process).
Therefore, if (IF) it did actually happen, I think it would be far more logical for the club to have possession of the ground. The aim, after all, is to package the club for sale as effectively as possible.
Your miss-guided IMHO. If our gross revenue continues to decrease, WE'LL HAVE LESS & LESS MONEY TO SPEND ON BOTH TRANSFERS & WAGES! Fact, 'FIFA Fair Play Rules'. I REPEAT I SUPPORT THE MANAGER, TEAM, PLAYERS & STAFF and will continue to do so as I've done for more years than I care to remember.
I have only ever 'supported' one owner (and even he came with 'baggage') and I'm pretty sure I'm not on my own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The crap keeps coming.
CCFC will never own the ground, it will be owned by SISU. Even TF has said that.
He hasn;t though has he, the quote above confirms he hasn't and the 'answer' is still ambiguous!
Or we can stay in entrenched positions, remain closed to alternatives which don;t fit our (current) world view... and be as bad as SISU in being utterly inflexible, and being utterly unwilling to consider alternatives.
The fact that he has not been clear on it is confirmation in itself that this is the case.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE! STICK BY THE TEAM, Balls to the pretend supporters turning their backs on the lads, who needs them. we certainly dont at sisu blues
ABSOLUTELY AGREE! STICK BY THE TEAM, Balls to the pretend supporters turning their backs on the lads, who needs them. we certainly dont at sisu blues
we are playing at the ricoh. chill - its a defo
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