Response from MEP regarding SISU complaint to EU Commission (1 Viewer)

RegTheDonk · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
anywhere between 0 and £27m apparently depending on your view point

Thanks for that OSB.

I was wondering if it was a "reasonable" amount, say double what Wasps paid, perhaps then SISU could say lets have a proper legal partnership now so CCFC can return home. IF it turns out you only paid half the value - we'll pay the other half and we both have 50% stake in the lease. And IF it's thrown out, we'll give you half what you origainally paid.

Bit simplistic I know but seeing as Wasps probably won't go bust as they hope, or someone may come in with money to bail them out, might ultimately be the cheapest way SISU could get a stake in a Coventry stadium. Buliding our own (not that it would happen for various reasons) would presumabley be more expensive.

SkyBlueZack · Sep 3, 2019

Am I right in thinking that anyone could have made the complaint? If so, what would have happened if I’d made the complaint and not Sisu? What then?

RegTheDonk · Sep 3, 2019

SkyBlueZack said:
Am I right in thinking that anyone could have made the complaint? If so, what would have happened if I’d made the complaint and not Sisu? What then?

You would be branded a SISU lover

oldskyblue58 · Sep 3, 2019

Does this indicate making plans without CCFC on a longer term basis

Coventry to get these sports at the 2022 Commonwealth Games

I assume the EFL will kick off early that year also. Wasps are happy to make the venue available

Snouty72 · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
Does this indicate making plans without CCFC on a longer term basis

Coventry to get these sports at the 2022 Commonwealth Games

I assume the EFL will kick off early that year also. Wasps are happy to make the venue available

I read that and thought exactly the same. Not a good sign.

Magwitch · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
Does this indicate making plans without CCFC on a longer term basis

Don’t think a lot of our fans see how potentially dangerous our ground issue is to the future of our club.

Nick · Sep 3, 2019

Magwitch said:
Don’t think a lot of our fans see how potentially dangerous our ground issue is to the future of our club.

Bit late now, people were saying that when it was sold to wasps.

Grendel · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
Does this indicate making plans without CCFC on a longer term basis

Coventry to get these sports at the 2022 Commonwealth Games

I assume the EFL will kick off early that year also. Wasps are happy to make the venue available

To be honest I’m sure they would even if we were tenants

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Sep 3, 2019

Magwitch said:
Don’t think a lot of our fans see how potentially dangerous our ground issue is to the future of our club.

I think they do. I don't really know what you want them to do about it?

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 3, 2019

cc84cov said:
St Andrews 5-10 years my guess

Hope you are wrong about that. If it goes beyond a second season, we will have to be doing really well on the pitch to offset the angst.

Grendel · Sep 3, 2019

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Hope you are wrong about that. If it goes beyond a second season, we will have to be doing really well on the pitch to offset the angst.

It’s not sustainable beyond 2 seasons without significant revisions to the approach. We’d be effectively committing to work on a 3,000 average league budget by then

chiefdave · Sep 3, 2019

Grendel said:
To be honest I’m sure they would even if we were tenants

Exactly, we've had games moved to accommodate other events booked at the Ricoh after our fixtures have been published. No reason for events known about well in advance to be an issue.

Good news for those hoping Wasps are struggling financially. If you recall ACL blamed hosting Olympic events and the requirements that came with that as a reason for poor performance that year.

shmmeee · Sep 3, 2019

Mcbean said:
Does the action stop when we leave the EU on 31 October ?

Total guess but I’d say it will if we leave without a deal but not otherwise.

WTF I love No Deal Brexit now??

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 3, 2019

Magwitch said:
Don’t think a lot of our fans see how potentially dangerous our ground issue is to the future of our club.

Oh I think we do

ajsccfc · Sep 3, 2019

Judo and wrestling will also be hosted by the Ricoh Arena

Finally

oldskyblue58 · Sep 3, 2019

chiefdave said:
Exactly, we've had games moved to accommodate other events booked at the Ricoh after our fixtures have been published. No reason for events known about well in advance to be an issue.

Good news for those hoping Wasps are struggling financially. If you recall ACL blamed hosting Olympic events and the requirements that came with that as a reason for poor performance that year.

Yes but what also happened for the olympic games is that the stadium was put on lock down for a week or perhaps two before the olympic games started so no other events could take place there in that period or during.

that said looking at the dates i am not sure it is a big a problem as i thought it could be .......................27 July and 7 August 2022

SkyBlueZack · Sep 3, 2019

RegTheDonk said:
You would be branded a SISU lover

What would the excuse be then though? It wouldn’t be Sisus fault so how would it work?

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
that said looking at the dates i am not sure it is a big a problem as i thought it could be .......................27 July and 7 August 2022

We'll have our new stadium by then.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

SkyBlueZack said:
What would the excuse be then though? It wouldn’t be Sisus fault so how would it work?

I suspect the complaint would have been thrown out post-haste, as you wouldn't have engaged lawyers and experts to ensure it was precisely written.

OffenhamSkyBlue · Sep 3, 2019

The action will be brought by the European Commission, NOT Sisu.

And on BBC CW this morning, they introduced the item on the new W*sps chairman by saying "talks are still ongoing between W*sps and CCFC" - then Johnny Vaughn says "it's an impossible relationship between a tenant and landlord". CW trying to praise W*sps yet again with their "clickbait" headline.

SkyBlueZack · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
I suspect the complaint would have been thrown out post-haste, as you wouldn't have engaged lawyers and experts to ensure it was precisely written.

They investigate the complaint though so surely I would just have to submit a complaint and what it was about. The EU would then look at the complaint and decided if worth pursuing. Would lawyers be needed if judges have thrown out the claim but you can still appeal to the eu? Surely the judges would be as knowledgeable in the law?

What if Sisu wrote it and I submitted it? It would be me making the complaint. What would wasps and the council say then?

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

SkyBlueZack said:
What if Sisu wrote it and I submitted it? It would be me making the complaint. What would wasps and the council say then?

If it's as easy as you say, why didn't SISU do that? Why did they go to the EU and make the complaint, knowing full well it would antagonise other parties?

Furthermore, why didn't they tell anybody they had made it, while negotiations were ongoing?

SkyBlueZack · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
If it's as easy as you say, why didn't SISU do that? Why did they go to the EU and make the complaint, knowing full well it would antagonise other parties?

Furthermore, why didn't they tell anybody they had made it, while negotiations were ongoing?

We know why they submitted it, in the hope of a financial return. At the same time, I don’t like the way the Ricoh was sold either, just not for the same reasons as Sisu.

I find it difficult to believe neither ccc or wasps knew nothing until Gilbert said something. They were negotiating with wasps, the complaint was against the council, why would they tell wasps about a complaint against the council? Let’s not forget, the complaint didn’t stop negotiations.

And where did I say it was as easy as I’m saying?

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

SkyBlueZack said:
I find it difficult to believe neither ccc or wasps knew nothing until Gilbert said something.

Well CCFC didn't know anything, so why would anyone else...?

SkyBlueZack · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well CCFC didn't know anything, so why would anyone else...?

The council were completely unaware that a complaint had been submitted against them? If ccfc didn’t know and nor did anyone else, how did Gilbert find out? Or are we believing that joy told him?

Skyblueweeman · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
And what a wise man (on that issue!) he was...

Not really. He wanted more money from Sisu at the time. It wasnt to do with him having foresight of their potential failings.

He wanted more money, they said no, deal was dead.

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Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

SkyBlueZack said:
Or are we believing that joy told him?

Now, I'd say it's as likely SISU told Gilbert as anyone else. I'll reserve judgement on who told him because it could have been just about everybody! Maybe they all told him(!)

The pattern follows last time and Northampton, after all.

Negotiations begin for a new agreement wrt the Ricoh Arena, club say this is plan A.
Agreement is reached wrt Ricoh Arena.
SISU's actions cause a ripple, and scupper the agreed deal.
Protagonists (see ACL / Wasps) announce negotiations are at an end.
Protests are made that the club want to stay.
Club leaves Ricoh Arena for other ground.
It is announced that Plan A for the club is a new stadium.
Despite time ticking on, no real detail of new stadium, or progression towards it is announced.

Now Northampton was obviously not entirely a vacuum - we had the foolishness of ACL saying negotiations were at an end, we had some unwise public comments from Mutton among others - SISU weree, to an extent, backed towards moving out... although they weren't averse to it either, and arguably created the conditions for other parties to fall into the elephant trap.

I see little difference now, tbh, except that the PR is far more professional. As with last time... they're all shysters, and to think anything happens in a vacuum is not looking at the context.

It probably suits SISU to move away for a certain time period. The club? Well, we'll only be able to tell after the event, but it's certainly a cavalier approach.

Like last time.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

Skyblueweeman said:
Not really. He wanted more money from Sisu at the time. It wasnt to do with him having foresight of their potential failings.

He wanted more money, they said no, deal was dead.

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Telling that he preferred administration to a SISU deal.

Of course with us they got it right and went to the Co-op, got them onside. Then they could control the process.

Skyblueweeman · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Telling that he preferred administration to a SISU deal.

Of course with us they got it right and went to the Co-op, got them onside. Then they could control the process.

Strange decision but he must of had his reasons for it. There was a decent write up in the local Southampton rag a little while after about it. I'd look for it if I had time.

Not sure what their debts were or who they were owed to. I just remember at the time that Saints fans wanted him and the board gone.

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chiefdave · Sep 3, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
Yes but what also happened for the olympic games is that the stadium was put on lock down for a week or perhaps two before the olympic games started so no other events could take place there in that period or during.

Would you not expect the Commenwealth Games to have similar branding and security requirements?

shmmeee · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
If it's as easy as you say, why didn't SISU do that? Why did they go to the EU and make the complaint, knowing full well it would antagonise other parties?

Furthermore, why didn't they tell anybody they had made it, while negotiations were ongoing?

Well yeah, but what if Tim Fisher is made of bees and the bees are trying to save humanity from climate change and Brexit is an illuminati plot to steal babies?

What then, huh?

Checkmate atheists!!

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

shmmeee said:
Well yeah, but what if Tim Fisher is made of bees and the bees are trying to save humanity from climate change and Brexit is an illuminati plot to steal babies?

What then, huh?

Checkmate atheists!!

The thing is, there's plenty (in my view) to criticise the other parties for in all this.

But... this is no vacuum, it didn't just happen, catching SISU unawares.

shmmeee · Sep 3, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
The thing is, there's plenty (in my view) to criticise the other parties for in all this.

But... this is no vacuum, it didn't just happen, catching SISU unawares.

Critical path.

This is why I’ve been resolute on this. Critical path required Sisu actions at each point: rent strike, Northampton, legal bollocks of various flavours. It has been within their gift at several points to choose a different course.

Getting wound up about some council nobody making a suggestion in an email once is the very definition of dead cat nonsense.

And, of course, as out owners they are the only ones who are actually supposed to be doing what’s best for CCFC above anyone else.

Anyway, back to sarcasm and apathy.

ccfcricoh · Sep 3, 2019

shmmeee said:
Critical path.

This is why I’ve been resolute on this. Critical path required Sisu actions at each point: rent strike, Northampton, legal bollocks of various flavours. It has been within their gift at several points to choose a different course.

Getting wound up about some council nobody making a suggestion in an email once is the very definition of dead cat nonsense.

And, of course, as out owners they are the only ones who are actually supposed to be doing what’s best for CCFC above anyone else.

Anyway, back to sarcasm and apathy.

Can't disagree with that in the slightest... but:
1 - i think it is fair to assume as a resident of Coventry that the council would be looking out for the best interests of its football team, especially when "up against" a London rugby club (also potentially damaging another local sports team)

2 - At the final stage of the "Critical path" (appreciate mistakes already made!) where SISU had the option of taking on any potential Wasps losses following EU review and getting a rent deal, or moving to Brum, I 100% back them in moving to Brum

Based on my understanding of what the hell is going on anyway, every chance we're just being lied to by all sides.. no idea what is true anymore!

I also don't see how CCFC suffering will benefit Sisu in any way, it is in their interests for us to be successful, so you would think the decisions they make are for the benefit of both them and "us".

Do you think we'll miss talking about all this when it's all gone away!?

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 3, 2019

ccfcricoh said:
Do you think we'll miss talking about all this when it's all gone away!?

I first joined GMK when 'MrsDeanGordon' came on to ask how her husband played at the weekend.

It was probably a hairy-arsed bloke anyway(!) but 'she' soon disappeared after the tolerance level of reporting back his performances went down rather.

How little did I know that was as good as it was going to get!

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