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italiahorse

italiahorse

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chiefdave said:
The people who aren't against SISU seem to only exist in your imagination. Its been explained to you many times the reason there isn't thread after thread about SISU is that everyone agrees!
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So the beatings continue until moral improves ?

Makes me laugh listening to PL fans moaning about only finishing 4th.
Are owners have no plan, continue to take court action on our behalf, seem happy to exist in L1 yet say anything against them on this forum we get either your comments above or slagged off with mentions of Wasps being the problem here.
 
Sick Boy

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italiahorse said:
So the beatings continue until moral improves ?

Makes me laugh listening to PL fans moaning about only finishing 4th.
Are owners have no plan, continue to take court action on our behalf, seem happy to exist in L1 yet say anything against them on this forum we get either your comments above or slagged off with mentions of Wasps being the problem here.
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Nice attempt at deflection there; you are and always will be regarded as a massive hypocrite. Your treatment of CCFC fans attending Sixfields was laughable considering that you now go and support a London rugby club playing in the city. If a Northampton fan had adopted CCFC as his/her second team, no doubt you'd have been full of hatred towards them as well.

P.s You really ought to get over SISU and stop playing the victim

P.P.S You should probably concentrate on working out the tricky difference between 'are' and 'our'.
 
italiahorse

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Sick Boy said:
When they first came to the club and throughout the rent strike for a start.
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Four years ago and beyond then ?
Never agreed with the rent strike but agreed with them cutting costs to match our earnings.
Sort of supported them when we had the 'liquidation was better than Sisu' threads in 2012 hence the 'Sisi Is Saving Us' wind up.

Most people (Naive) supported them when they saved us from administration.
 
italiahorse

italiahorse

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chiefdave said:
A few months ago you were complaining SISU wouldn't follow Richardsons example and 'have a punt'!
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The punt would be with their money not the clubs. Never mentioned Richardson.
A cash injection (gift) when we were at the top to get us into the Championship would give them something to sell.
Slightly different to starting the season with a punt.
 
chiefdave

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Hedge funds are well known for giving money away as gifts.

Doesn't matter if its a gift or not the suggestion is still to push back to unsustainable expenditure. Its that kind of chasing the dragon that go us in this mess.
 
ccfctommy

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skybluetony176 said:
If you seriously want CCFC to reach it's potential I would be asking questions of CCFC's owners if I was you. This may come as a shock to you but SISU are the ones responsible for making sure the club reaches its potential not anyone else.
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Ssshhhhhh! Not alowed any criticism of SISU on here...
 
skybluetony176

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Sick Boy said:
As usual it seems that anyone who is critical of the franchise has their head up sisu's arse.

Great logic there.
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It's not that some posters are critical of the franchise, it's that a lot of those same posters are never critical of our owners. You can see the difference I'm sure? Actually you're well and truly in the critical on the franchise silent on our owners camp so conveniently you probably can't /won't.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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skybluetony176 said:
It's not that some posters are critical of the franchise, it's that a lot of those same posters are never critical of our owners. You can see the difference I'm sure? Actually you're well and truly in the critical on the franchise silent on our owners camp so conveniently you probably can't /won't.
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Missed the point #7639383
 
Moff

Moff

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ccfctommy said:
Ssshhhhhh! Not alowed any criticism of SISU on here...
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skybluetony176 said:
It's not that some posters are critical of the franchise, it's that a lot of those same posters are never critical of our owners.
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Quite clearly you are both correct...:whistle:

Moff said:
You (Italia) and Tony continually trawl the line out about SISU. Yes we know SISU are to blame, its without doubt. The fact is some people also think Wasps arent a great deal of help to the situation either.

Personally I would happilly wave them goodbye, but then I feel quite strongly about the franchise situation and what they have done. I have never wavered from that opinion.
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chiefdave

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ccfcway said:
Club
HomeTotalAverage
Games
2014/15Wasps11164,55514,960
2015/16Wasps
10148,65514,866
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If you only use games after they moved to the Ricoh last season the average was 19,911 so the drop is even worse.

Interestingly when I had a look into other teams that had moved it seems Wasps are the only team who's attendance dropped in the second season. Not a good sign.

There also hasn't been a side that moved who managed to continue increasing the fanbase.
 
Captain Dart

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The only thing that matters in the long run is the bottom line.

I can't see Wasps becoming more popular unless they start winning things, they failed in a Cup bid this weekend, so that's a lucrative Wembley game they won't be getting, but there are some League playoffs coming up which it looks they'll be involved in, its all about money.
 
italiahorse

italiahorse

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chiefdave said:
If you only use games after they moved to the Ricoh last season the average was 19,911 so the drop is even worse.

Interestingly when I had a look into other teams that had moved it seems Wasps are the only team who's attendance dropped in the second season. Not a good sign.

There also hasn't been a side that moved who managed to continue increasing the fanbase.
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I'll take your word for it since you don't provide the evidence.
 
Grendel

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italiahorse said:
I'll take your word for it since you don't provide the evidence.
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Given you've never provided a factual evidence based post on here that's as rib breaking as Tony saying he has adult conversations.
 
italiahorse

italiahorse

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Grendel said:
Given you've never provided a factual evidence based post on here that's as rib breaking as Tony saying he has adult conversations.
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He said he had the evidence.
Why no show it ?

Most comments on here are opinions.

Then we have your contribution that is neither opinion or factual.

Annoying, insulting and personal comments is all you do.

Oh yea also waffle posts like above which don't actually say anything.
 
chiefdave

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italiahorse said:
He said he had the evidence.
Why no show it ?
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Just for you:

CCFC

Final season at HR was an averages of 16,046, the highest for several seasons. The highest in recent memory was the BR days which hit just over 20K average.

2005/06 21,302
2006/07 20,342
2007/08 19,123
2008/09 17,408
2009/10 17,305
2010/11 16,409
2011/12 15,118
2012/13 10,906
2013/14 N/A
2014/15 9,332
2015/16 12,543

WASPS

There’s no specific attendances available for prior to the move to Loftus Road however you only need to look at images of the ground at Sudbury to see they would struggle to fit more than 1K in, if that.

Interestingly in the process of checking these stats found out that prior to getting an ownership stake in Loftus Road they had already purchased land for a new ground in London. They abandoned those plans to move to Loftus Road.

Loftus Road
1996/97 5,800
1997/98 5,834
1998/99 5,495
1999/00 4,918
2000/01 5,671
2001/02 5,861

Wycombe
2002/03 9,921
2003/04 7,731
2004/05 8,756
2005/06 11,370
2006/07 8,278
2007/08 11,421
2008/09 9,310
2009/10 18,616
2010/11 16,756
2011/12 6,745
2012/13 11,786
2013/14 13,972
2014/15 6,295

Ricoh
2014/15 19,911
2015/16 14,866

LONDON WELSH

Highest attendance season before their move was 4,400. Regularly had attendances of under 1K

2012/13 5,090
2013/14 1,723 (Championship)
2014/15 3,319

This season they have moved back to London.

LONDON IRISH

Final season before their move the average was 4,370, there was no significant difference from previous seasons.

2000/01 5,920
2001/02 6,927
2002/03 9,921
2003/04 10,657
2004/05 14,010
2005/06 10,956
2006/07 14,828
2007/08 9,950
2008/09 15,084
2009/10 13,394
2010/11 16,227
2011/12 14,340
2012/13 9,471
2013/14 14,096
2014/15 13,236
2015/16 12,115

Their new owner have expressed a desire to return the club to London. They have already built a huge new training facility and club offices in London.
 
Terry Gibson's perm

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chiefdave said:
Just for you:

CCFC

Final season at HR was an averages of 16,046, the highest for several seasons. The highest in recent memory was the BR days which hit just over 20K average.

2005/06 21,302
2006/07 20,342
2007/08 19,123
2008/09 17,408
2009/10 17,305
2010/11 16,409
2011/12 15,118
2012/13 10,906
2013/14 N/A
2014/15 9,332
2015/16 12,543

WASPS

There’s no specific attendances available for prior to the move to Loftus Road however you only need to look at images of the ground at Sudbury to see they would struggle to fit more than 1K in, if that.

Interestingly in the process of checking these stats found out that prior to getting an ownership stake in Loftus Road they had already purchased land for a new ground in London. They abandoned those plans to move to Loftus Road.

Loftus Road
1996/97 5,800
1997/98 5,834
1998/99 5,495
1999/00 4,918
2000/01 5,671
2001/02 5,861

Wycombe
2002/03 9,921
2003/04 7,731
2004/05 8,756
2005/06 11,370
2006/07 8,278
2007/08 11,421
2008/09 9,310
2009/10 18,616
2010/11 16,756
2011/12 6,745
2012/13 11,786
2013/14 13,972
2014/15 6,295

Ricoh
2014/15 19,911
2015/16 14,866

LONDON WELSH

Highest attendance season before their move was 4,400. Regularly had attendances of under 1K

2012/13 5,090
2013/14 1,723 (Championship)
2014/15 3,319

This season they have moved back to London.

LONDON IRISH

Final season before their move the average was 4,370, there was no significant difference from previous seasons.

2000/01 5,920
2001/02 6,927
2002/03 9,921
2003/04 10,657
2004/05 14,010
2005/06 10,956
2006/07 14,828
2007/08 9,950
2008/09 15,084
2009/10 13,394
2010/11 16,227
2011/12 14,340
2012/13 9,471
2013/14 14,096
2014/15 13,236
2015/16 12,115

Their new owner have expressed a desire to return the club to London. They have already built a huge new training facility and club offices in London.
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Did they play some games elsewhere while at Wycombe because Adams Park holds under 13k
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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italiahorse said:
I like Wasps owners believe that they needed to move or die. A lot of their fans I have contact with also agree. I have yet to speak to a dissenting fan.
In that respect the move was right.
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While I was checking the historical average attendances for Wasps I thought I'd copy various comments I saw.

Coventry, who will travel there?
Surely the crowds will just get even smaller up there.
Dropping the london from the name and now this.
Absolute ******** if true.
They'd also struggle to bring in new home support as they're within like half hour of Leicester/Northampton, two of the strongest supported clubs in the country.
Some suggestion that Wasps were taken over in order to facilitate the procurement of the Ricoh at a knock-off price.
They're not going to get any fans.
No-one in their right mind would attempt to move them somewhere with absolutely no links to their heartland.
In the nicest possible way, I hope the club implodes entirely.
Let's just hope this is all speculation.
Utter disgrace if true.
In my heart, I feel sad.
I am devastated by the move to Coventry.
If Saracens could find a London home, there is no reason Wasps couldn't.
You can spin and say it's proper rugby country but it's someone else's proper rugby country.
I have a feeling we're going to find out that Wasps have been used in order to take control of the Ricoh.
You'd think that from a club that was so recently in a terrible place they'd know better, which adds more fuel to the 'in it for the stadium' theory.
The split base and empty stadium is going to offer one of the worst set-ups in the Premiership.
It sounds like once the Ricoh move happens things will go South, in terms of support for the club being grown from the money men, very quickly.
Well this is all thoroughly depressing.
The twitter link above did show a tweet by Andy Goode from 2 years ago saying what a "disgrace" the owners of CCFC were and that they should be "ashamed" of moving them to Northampton.
I have a feeling Wasps will end up playing to an almost empty stadium and will be even more reliant on the goodwill of their owners.
Frankly I don't believe that there isn't an appropriate site in or around London.
This could be just a brief stay.
There is no reason to believe the Cockroaches' current owners definitely couldn't have kept the club in or near London or that they have tried in the slightest.
It's about the last place you'd put a pro rugby in the country short of the Severn.
So there moving to an area, that within perfectly acceptable driving distance, there are already three premiership and two championship teams?
Judging by the reaction on twitter, I suspect he might get pelted at the next Wasps game!
Teams who are or perceived as plastic don't tend to be popular.
I am going to be very upset if this happens.
Unless by "all will become clear" he means that they are actually going to be playing home games in London somewhere then I suggest this bloke ****s himself.
Initial numbers will be OK due to the novelty, then they'll drop off afterwards.
I'd certainly hope it isn't true.
The RFU will hopefully look at the overall fan reaction and maybe have a dig around the alleged use of Wasps as a vehicle to get the Ricoh.
I don't see how not wanting to see your club move miles away from its home, probably as part of a slightly dodgy deal so the owners can get their hands on the Ricoh Arena, is not being a 'real' fan?!
It smells like suicide.
Wasps move is a huge gamble. Not so long ago they had a far better option available at Boreham Wood and dithered.
Pretty worrying.
Apparently the players weren't told - is that relevant to them suddenly putting in the worst and most disjointed performance of the season
Absolutely ****ing disgraceful frankly.
This has been in the works for 2 years supposedly.
From here on I propose that they be referred to as the Coventry Cockroaches.
Time to metaphorically wash my hands of this club.
The majority of the guys who turned up to support them at Adams Park last week will never be seen again.
Doing an MK Dons.
Oh god. This is really happening isn't it?
It's ludicrous.
Coventry City fans will be enraged at their club's rightful place being usurped by a bunch of blow ins.
Everyone there who's interested in rugby will already be Tigers/Saints/Wuss fans.
The vast majority won't make the trek regularly.
If they do go up to the midlands they should get the full MK Dons treatment.
I really hope this is just irresponsible/erroneous journalism.
Just a matter of whether Wasps stay there long enough to build up a real local base, as that could take a few years of poorer attendances.
There are going to be a lot of angry people if this turns out to be true.
The comparison to MK Dons (*shudder*) is a very sad but very apt one.
I would love to be a fly on the wall when Wasps argue for a West Midlands recruiting area for their academy.
I'm incredibly, incredibly angry that this is going to happen.
I hope they go to the wall.
Moving an existing side to the area (especially one as well known as wasps) isn't going to get too many people supporting them.
They will alienate their entire old fan base.
I'm fuming.
Here are many other sites that are eminently more sensible.
Wasps were taken over just to get the Ricoh at a knock down price.
They will be disliked and have no roots.
They will rattle around in that ground.
I use the term MK Dons as an insult and moral judgement.
Please, no.
Wasps is a West London Club, it should stay in the Boundaries.
Wasps need to be careful here they don't get seen a plastic team.
Best case scenario is that they get 8000ish after a few years and become a consistently bottom 4 Premiership club.
**** you and goodnight, Wasps.
I’m really sad about this as i have really close ties to the club, so i'm hugely dissappointed they will be heading out of the immediate vicinity of London.
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Sick Boy

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According to italia their fans were happy with the move? Surely he wasnt bullshitting and showing himself up as a selfish hypocrite, again?!
 
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