chiefdave
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They might have to have another meeting and change the rules again!
They might have to have another meeting and change the rules again!That's insane, nearly double last year
They might have to have another meeting and change the rules again!
I quite like Corbyn but I'm not sure this was the best choice of example:
This, he said, will highlight the extent to which female, disabled and BME workers remain unfairly treated 40 years on from the Equal Pay Act.
"Last year Britain was ranked 18th in the world for its gender pay gap, below Nicaragua, Namibia and New Zealand," he said. "We can and must do better. So Labour is calling time on the waiting game."
Not sure New Zealand would be too happy been lumped in with Nicaragua and Namibia!
What the UK needs now is a prolonged period of Conservative government to manage Brexit and set solid foundations for business growth.
That sort of critical management is way beyond the capabilities of any Labour administration, let alone one headed by the feeble Corbyn.
Under his leadership Labour are little more than a protest group.
Ian, that is a version of, "they would say that, wouldn't they?"
Which shuts down genuine debate, which in turn leads to a bunker mentality. It is the unwillingness to accept any criticism or compromise that epitomises extremism. The only ways of changing the current system are through parliament or revolution. I have spoken to dedicated Corbynites who admit, when pushed, that they have little faith in the parliamentary route to power and think a form of revolution to paraphrase them, "Maybe what is needed."
This is an existential struggle for the left. The past suggests the parliamentary route is the better way. Maybe the world has changed enough for hundreds of thousands to rise up, but I doubt it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.htmlWith respect there is a legitimate argument that everyone one of those articles is written with an underlying theme of protecting the current set up and not exactly what you would call objective or in the interests of the majority.
Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds.
The media researchers found that in 52 per cent of articles about the Labour leader, his own views were not included – while in a further 22 per cent they were “present but taken out of context” or otherwise distorted.
In just 15 per cent of 812 articles analysed, Mr Corbyn’s views were present but challenged, and in only 11 per cent were they present without alteration.
Absolutely this. I don't think Corbyn will be PM as it would need a virtually unprecedented swing, which given the way the media treats him is virtually impossible.People are fed up with politics - the perception for many thousands is that it only benefits the elite few and the masses have to fall in line and take it. The EU vote was a massive two fingers to the current political setup.
Ian, that is a version of, "they would say that, wouldn't they?"
Which shuts down genuine debate, which in turn leads to a bunker mentality. It is the unwillingness to accept any criticism or compromise that epitomises extremism. The only ways of changing the current system are through parliament or revolution. I have spoken to dedicated Corbynites who admit, when pushed, that they have little faith in the parliamentary route to power and think a form of revolution to paraphrase them, "Maybe what is needed."
This is an existential struggle for the left. The past suggests the parliamentary route is the better way. Maybe the world has changed enough for hundreds of thousands to rise up, but I doubt it.
Ian, I think you make some fair points. It will take some time to see whether these new members are genuinely committed to changing politics for the better or a mixed bunch of anarchists, trots, greens etc who will slope off if they cannot remake the Labour Party into a protest movement of their liking. I fear that if they win the battle against the moderates they will start infighting as these groups have very different agendas in reality. With regard to the younger, more idealistic new members I fear that some do not understand how parliamentary systems work and don't have any real ideas how to change it short of vague social media type campaigning.People are fed up with politics - the perception for many thousands is that it only benefits the elite few and the masses have to fall in line and take it. The EU vote was a massive two fingers to the current political setup.
Whether you like or dislike Corbyn or his ideas the truth is that he has invigorated a group of people into having some engagement back into politics. The demographic make up of this group is not clear, but it's unlikely to be previously traditional Labour voters. But all we are told through the media that he is 'unelectable', a terrorist sympathiser and goodness knows what else. This inaccurate reporting is just as likely to push people into a mentality that you describe, as you are telling them that their feelings and opinions are worthless.
If the media repeatedly tell enough people that he is unelectable - more and more will vote for him to prove the system wrong. IMO for Corbyn to win he has to go out and target those that can but don't vote, there is far more of those than traditional Labour supporters that may drift off to UKIP etc.
If people are serious about replacing Corbyn then they need to really examine what it is he has done to push party membership through the roof. Then they need to engage those people and show them that they can also deliver on these ideas. To brush this off as secret Tory infiltration is a slap in the face of every person that has finally said they want to be part of the political arena.
Eagle and Smith have so far only shown that their main policy is to not be Corbyn. It hardly bodes well for them.
They simply don't realise how they are being manipulated.With regard to the younger, more idealistic new members
What you mean is a prolonged Conservative government to ensure that any financial benefits of being out of the EU are directed to where they should be - namely the offshore bank accounts of the rich and powerful.
Meanwhile the majority suffer on.
Really? In what way are 33 million suffering?
Looks like all that Austerity was as we suspected, more about the Ideology of the nasty party than economically driven.
All those U turns and targets missed, they're tearing up Gideons blueprint in September to provide more stimulus via borrowing.
There are plenty around, from my observations made up mostly of two groups: nasty jealous hardline union leaders full of hate and naive idealist graduates.Half a million members and 200,00 registered supporters, didn't know there were so many 'trots' about.
What you mean is a prolonged Conservative government to ensure that any financial benefits of being out of the EU are directed to where they should be - namely the offshore bank accounts of the rich and powerful.
Meanwhile the majority suffer on.
Why? Have they got worse?Which year do you live in? This bears no resemblance to the 2016 Tory party.
Which year do you live in? This bears no resemblance to the 2016 Tory party.
Since the recession the richest 1,000 people in the UK have doubled their wealth. For the rest of us we've had the biggest decline in wages, 7% when you allow for inflation.Which year do you live in? This bears no resemblance to the 2016 Tory party.
The politics of envy.Since the recession the richest 1,000 people in the UK have doubled their wealth. For the rest of us we've had the biggest decline in wages, 7% when you allow for inflation.
I've done far more than that. I've reassessed everything and thought for a very long time over months. The modern Tories have the middle ground absconded by labour.Keep telling yourself that....
I've done far more than that. I've reassessed everything and thought for a very long time over months. The modern Tories have the middle ground absconded by labour.
You forget that the middle ground is what's being abandoned all around the world. A far left alliance are in power in Greece, the far right took the Austrian election to the wire, trump in America and Le Pen in France plus the socialists in South America. Politics is drifting to the extremes and Corbyn's policies are not any where near as extreme as these. People accept the dogma that you win elections by moving to the centre ground but the supposedly centre ground conservatives have a majority of 12, 12! 5 million people voted for radical parties in UKIP and the greens last year, if Corbyn got in half of those to the Labour party without attracting one conservative voter he'd force a hung parliament in which the arithmetic would not favour a conservative government.
Not so for me, I don't believe anything I read without questioning. I'll reply more about young people shortly. I agree they are getting a bad deal but disagree on the cause.The only reason they appear to have the middle ground is because that's what the right wing press tell us. The Tory machine has pushed the NHS to breaking point, turned the welfare system into a joke and destroyed the education hopes of every child not in the independent sector. Young people growing up have nothing to aspire and strive for... It's all been taken away by the 'middle ground' Tories.
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