Robins: “Split in the camp” (2 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

No, not equally. The risk is higher for covid than the vaccine. If you’re concerned about heart issues the data say get vaccinated.

Again, it comes down to age.

How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.

The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.

 

---

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Again, it comes down to age.

How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.

The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.

Dude. 30 million people in one study. How much more do you need? Genuinely.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Look at the data. Yes the risk is only higher in the under 40s.

That risk jumps up to a maximum of 6 cases in a million. For being infected it’s 40. There were around 30 million people featured in the study.

It’s not up for debate, not even close.

See my response to Shmmeee. It is definitely up for debate.

How many young people have died from covid - the numbers are absolutely minuscule.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Dude. 30 million people in one study. How much more do you need? Genuinely.

How many healthy people have died in the UK of covid under 40? Not with, of.

Now tell me how many have died from the jab in the UK under 40.

The numbers on both are minuscule. Of course people are going to fancy taking their chances when other factors are weighed in.

 

[shmmeee]

Again, it comes down to age.

How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.

The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.

Why aren’t the numbers certain?

Likely more people have had the vaccine than Covid, how many have died from that? According to what I can find from the ONS it’s 5 up to August 2021 across all age groups. So an order of magnitude less.

You’re on a lot stronger ground making a moral case like @Evo1883 does for it being a choice. But the science is clear it’s a dumb choice.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How many healthy people have died in the UK of covid under 40? Not with, of.

Now tell me how many have died from the jab in the UK under 40.

The numbers on both are minuscule. Of course people are going to fancy taking their chances when other factors are weighed in.

Don’t tell me myocarditis and ‘we don’t know the effects’ then when we very clearly do. If a player has concerns for these reasons he should rest assured it makes more medical sense to get the jab than infected.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Don’t tell me myocarditis and ‘we don’t know the effects’ then when we very clearly do. If a player has concerns for these reasons he should rest assured it makes more medical sense to get the jab than infected.

The figures on how many people have died from the jab are ambiguous at best. It might be low, but the amount of young people that have died from the virus itself largely isn't ambiguous, and that is extremely low.

The number is so low in fact, how can you make a case for them to get the vaccine?

17 million people live in the Netherlands. 176 under 50's have died from the virus over two fucking years. One hundred and seventy six. Try telling people to listen to someone like you who wants to make vaccines mandatory that they should get the jab when they know what the facts are about virus risk and death. The long term effects of the jab are unknown, there is also clearly *a* risk of myocarditis as well, even if it is low. People aren't stupid. They look at the numbers and question why they should bother.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Why aren’t the numbers certain?

Likely more people have had the vaccine than Covid, how many have died from that? According to what I can find from the ONS it’s 5 up to August 2021 across all age groups. So an order of magnitude less.

You’re on a lot stronger ground making a moral case like @Evo1883 does for it being a choice. But the science is clear it’s a dumb choice.

5 people in the UK have died after having the jab? It might be low, but I find it very hard to believe it is that low.

Again, even if it is 5, people will still see it as an unnecessary risk. Especially if they are young and/or have already had the virus and recovered.

The whole concept of natural immunity has been thrown out, which is a separate point granted.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The figures on how many people have died from the jab are ambiguous at best. It might be low, but the amount of young people that have died from the virus itself largely isn't ambiguous, and that is extremely low.

The number is so low in fact, how can you make a case for them to get the vaccine?

17 million people live in the Netherlands. 176 under 50's have died from the virus over two fucking years. One hundred and seventy six. Try telling people to listen to someone like you who wants to make vaccines mandatory that they should get the jab when they know what the facts are about virus risk and death. The long term effects of the jab are unknown, there is also clearly *a* risk of myocarditis as well, even if it is low. People aren't stupid. They look at the numbers and question why they should bother.

The risk of myocarditis is higher if you're infected with COVID instead of vaccinated against it. To reiterate, that's based on a data analysis of 30 million people in England alone. The point of getting jabbed for younger people is to generally reduce transmission in the community and reduce the probability of variants coming about.

Much to the contrary, not getting it is the stupid thing to do. While we're at it stop telling me I think they should be mandatory-the closest I've said is in the health service and if not then they should have to prove they're negative every day they go in. For someone who claims to be jabbed himself all you have really done for months is say why people shouldn't get it

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The risk of myocarditis is higher if you're infected with COVID instead of vaccinated against it. To reiterate, that's based on a data analysis of 30 million people in England alone. The point of getting jabbed for younger people is to generally reduce transmission in the community and reduce the probability of variants coming about.

Much to the contrary, not getting it is the stupid thing to do. While we're at it stop telling me I think they should be mandatory-the closest I've said is in the health service and if not then they should have to prove they're negative every day they go in. For someone who claims to be jabbed himself all you have really done for months is say why people shouldn't get it

You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.

I've always maintained the vaccine is invaluable for older and vulnerable people, but the perspective on the virus and vaccine has completely been lost in some kind of strange culture war.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.

I've always maintained the vaccine is invaluable for older and vulnerable people, but the perspective on the virus and vaccine has completely been lost in some kind of strange culture war.

I literally just said above what the reason is. You also can find all the vaccine mortality data in the Nature article I posted, it's right there. I'm giving you a huge set of peer-reviewed data which supports what I'm saying.

If you're under 40 you are significantly more likely to have heart issues with an infection than vaccination. My background's a scientific one, that's why it bothers me when people seem to so readily accept anything on social media but not what comes from experts in the field.

 

[SBAndy]

You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.

The point of getting jabbed for younger people is to generally reduce transmission in the community and reduce the probability of variants coming about.

 

[TewkesburySkyBlue]

If true I think he should be encouraged by whispering “no jab pal no contract next season”

Totally agree anyone who was not jabbed would be on the transfer list if I was manager just selfish bustards

 

[TewkesburySkyBlue]

But what if it isn´t a load of shit?

One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.

There is a serious chance that I f you go out you will be hit by a meteorite get real people

 

[TewkesburySkyBlue]

Again, it comes down to age.

How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.

The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.

Because they are selfish bastards and don’t give a shit for those more vulnerable

 

[pusbccfc]

I’ve just seen Shipley in a soft play centre in leamington, you would have thought they would be asked to stay away from places like that a hot unventilated warehouse where most of the people won’t be vaccinated

It's tough because if any of us were told we weren't allowed a life outside of work, we'd not accept it.

Hamer for example, was out in Leamington all last week. He's now caught Covid. You can't stop him going out though.

 

[pusbccfc]

5 people in the UK have died after having the jab? It might be low, but I find it very hard to believe it is that low.

Again, even if it is 5, people will still see it as an unnecessary risk. Especially if they are young and/or have already had the virus and recovered.

The whole concept of natural immunity has been thrown out, which is a separate point granted.

There's a very good chance those 5 people may have died from another cause if they died from s vaccine.

Covid being one of them.

Natural immunity is great, but there are many stories of people thinking their body will fight it off and have unfortunately become incredibly ill or died.

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

But what if it isn´t a load of shit?

One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.

Yes , it was me mate, but I've given up trying to voice my opinion (until now) the qualified scientists on here will always shout you down with their feared brainwashed rhetoric.
However , Happy new year everybody and can't wait to hear the excuses as we move forward into normal life .

 

[CCFC54321]

So we have millions of people that are being protected by having a vaccine that protects them from being ill/hospitalisation/death and some people have an argument that they shouldn’t have it? So the whole fucking world’s scientists are wrong?

If I was Robins I’d kick those players who have not been double jabbed/boosted so hard up their arse they would need dental work.

 

[mr_monkey]

Yes , it was me mate, but I've given up trying to voice my opinion (until now) the qualified scientists on here will always shout you down with their feared brainwashed rhetoric.
However , Happy new year everybody and can't wait to hear the excuses as we move forward into normal life .

You poor bugger, you are so far down the rabbit hole you don't even see the irony of your comment (you aren't the only one tbf)

But I genuinely hope 2022 gives you better health mate and you don't have any more set backs

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

90% of people in hospital with COVID have NOT been vaccinated.

 

[Grendel]

[

90% of people in hospital with COVID have NOT been vaccinated.

no it’s in ICU not hospital

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

[


no it’s in ICU not hospital

Splitting hairs, it's still hospital.

 

[Grendel]

Splitting hairs, it's still hospital.

No it’s not and anti vaxxers like ESB would be all over that sort of post unless it’s corrected

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

No it’s not and anti vaxxers like ESB would be all over that sort of post unless it’s corrected

Herd it on the BBC so must be correct.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No it’s not and anti vaxxers like ESB would be all over that sort of post unless it’s corrected

Surprise surprise ESB talking nonsense again.

 

[MalcSB]

You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.

I've always maintained the vaccine is invaluable for older and vulnerable people, but the perspective on the virus and vaccine has completely been lost in some kind of strange culture war.

It not just about self, it’s about reducing risk to society. People are happy enough to reap the benefits of society - I wonder how much of the income tax I pay has supported vaccine refuseniks through furlough.

 

[MalcSB]

But what if it isn´t a load of shit?

One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.

I note the use of the word after, not because of.

 

[MalcSB]

The figures on how many people have died from the jab are ambiguous at best. It might be low, but the amount of young people that have died from the virus itself largely isn't ambiguous, and that is extremely low.

The number is so low in fact, how can you make a case for them to get the vaccine?

17 million people live in the Netherlands. 176 under 50's have died from the virus over two fucking years. One hundred and seventy six. Try telling people to listen to someone like you who wants to make vaccines mandatory that they should get the jab when they know what the facts are about virus risk and death. The long term effects of the jab are unknown, there is also clearly *a* risk of myocarditis as well, even if it is low. People aren't stupid. They look at the numbers and question why they should bother.

What are the facts about vaccination risk and death?

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

90% of people in hospital with COVID have NOT been vaccinated.

I heard Boris Johnson say earlier in the week that 90% in hospital/ICU (whatever it is) didn't have the booster

Does that mean they are double jabbed and not boosted or not vaccinated at all?


Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

 

[Kilclines curly mullet]

More chance of being seriously injured / dying every time I get in my car than from getting the jab…

I saw on TV at the start of the year a well known morning TV presenter saying that they were fearful of getting the jab because she had read about blood clots being a side effect.

The lady was about 20 stone - more chance of getting a blood clot because of that than a jab. And before anyone comes back at me, I had a knee operation 9 years ago where I was the 1 in 100 that did develop a blood clot.

Didnt stop me getting a jab.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines adverse reactions

A report covering adverse reactions to approved COVID-19 vaccines

www.gov.uk

Lot to read in first document but the conclusion seems pretty clear. The risks of not being vaccinated and dying are far far higher than the risk from dying from an adverse reaction to the vaccine.

The risks of each type of reaction are listed about 2 thirds through

Personal decision of course but so would the second decisions others who are vaccinated might take in response. So long as there is no repercussions for the second decision remain unvaccinated and put yourself, those you love, and others at increased risk physically emotionally and mentally - just my opinion and how I feel about it, I find it incredibly selfish, illogical. Nothing to do with freedom as is so often put forward - its about taking responsibility for you and OTHERS.

Yes there are people at risk from the wrong type of vaccine or any vaccine but to place the decision on the physiology of a complete strangers reaction not your own physiology seems a little illogical to me. Speak to a medic and see if you are fit to take it, get your self checked out, don't rely on social media chit chat from people unqualified to know and most likely only interested in making a social media name for themselves.

Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations, lots of holiday destinations etc and no one bats an eye about it. All vaccinations carry a risk and consequences for not taking it.

Life is a risk, the target is to live that life to the full without relying on others to dig you out of crisis or making the ones you love suffer because of a decision you made from being badly informed

If after reading the link at the start people feel the same then as much as I would disagree I would respect their informed decision so long as they respect mine and any actions I take to mitigate my risk

 

[Greggs]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines adverse reactions

A report covering adverse reactions to approved COVID-19 vaccines

www.gov.uk

Lot to read in first document but the conclusion seems pretty clear. The risks of not being vaccinated and dying are far far higher than the risk from dying from an adverse reaction to the vaccine.

The risks of each type of reaction are listed about 2 thirds through

Personal decision of course but so would the second decisions others who are vaccinated might take in response. So long as there is no repercussions for the second decision remain unvaccinated and put yourself, those you love, and others at increased risk physically emotionally and mentally - just my opinion and how I feel about it, I find it incredibly selfish, illogical. Nothing to do with freedom as is so often put forward - its about taking responsibility for you and OTHERS.

Yes there are people at risk from the wrong type of vaccine or any vaccine but to place the decision on the physiology of a complete strangers reaction not your own physiology seems a little illogical to me. Speak to a medic and see if you are fit to take it, get your self checked out, don't rely on social media chit chat from people unqualified to know and most likely only interested in making a social media name for themselves.

Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations, lots of holiday destinations etc and no one bats an eye about it. All vaccinations carry a risk and consequences for not taking it.

Life is a risk, the target is to live that life to the full without relying on others to dig you out of crisis or making the ones you love suffer because of a decision you made from being badly informed

If after reading the link at the start people feel the same then as much as I would disagree I would respect their informed decision so long as they respect mine and any actions I take to mitigate my risk

Wasps playing this weekend?

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

When Robins said 'split in the camp' (see thread title) I didn't think it referred to the vaccine debate on SBT!

 

[MalcSB]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines adverse reactions

A report covering adverse reactions to approved COVID-19 vaccines

www.gov.uk

Lot to read in first document but the conclusion seems pretty clear. The risks of not being vaccinated and dying are far far higher than the risk from dying from an adverse reaction to the vaccine.

The risks of each type of reaction are listed about 2 thirds through

Personal decision of course but so would the second decisions others who are vaccinated might take in response. So long as there is no repercussions for the second decision remain unvaccinated and put yourself, those you love, and others at increased risk physically emotionally and mentally - just my opinion and how I feel about it, I find it incredibly selfish, illogical. Nothing to do with freedom as is so often put forward - its about taking responsibility for you and OTHERS.

Yes there are people at risk from the wrong type of vaccine or any vaccine but to place the decision on the physiology of a complete strangers reaction not your own physiology seems a little illogical to me. Speak to a medic and see if you are fit to take it, get your self checked out, don't rely on social media chit chat from people unqualified to know and most likely only interested in making a social media name for themselves.

Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations, lots of holiday destinations etc and no one bats an eye about it. All vaccinations carry a risk and consequences for not taking it.

Life is a risk, the target is to live that life to the full without relying on others to dig you out of crisis or making the ones you love suffer because of a decision you made from being badly informed

If after reading the link at the start people feel the same then as much as I would disagree I would respect their informed decision so long as they respect mine and any actions I take to mitigate my risk

Well said