Robins on CWR (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

There were very few who criticised mcnulty - even on here. Most recognised we were so devoid of real chances being created it was impossible to judge.

 

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[Grendel]

Chaplin will come good. He gets into lots of positions to score goals, like McNulty did. He can also finish with both feet. I think once he gets his first goal, he will go on to score quite a few for us.
I was at Yeovil away last year, early in the season and I couldn't quite believe the shit McNulty got from some fans. Yes, some of his efforts on goal were poor (and he did throw himself down to win a penalty at one point), but the point is that he could have scored on at least 3 occasions.
Chaplin is in a similar position at the moment - his confidence is low, but he isn't hiding. He'll be ok long term for us, I reckon.

Why would Chaplin have low confidence coming to a new club as the flag ship signing?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Robins brings in McNulty on a free transfer. He scores 28 goals in a season that gets us promotion. He gets no credit for that from some. He wants McNulty to stay but the player is insistent he wants to move meaning that Robins has to pull another rabbit from the hat. He generates, by all accounts, well over a million pounds from the sale of McNulty. He brings in Hiwula and Bakayoko, two players, which he explained yesterday, are young, not the finished article but which can be helped and developed by him to become better players. Where is the problem in that? It benefits the players, it benefits the team. And it benefits the club as more revenue will be raised than was spent and can then be reinvested again (if Sisu stick to the plan). Robins was again berated for not signing this player or that player as the season got underway and waiting instead for the opportunity to sign Chaplin. He stuck to his guns, waiting for the player he had faith in, presumably the player he thinks is closest to the finished product, who will score goals now but who he can also improve. What is wrong with that plan? All very well being experts on this player or that player he could have got for free and look how well they are doing. How many rival fans would be saying that about their manager not going in for McNulty at the start of last season when seeing how well he did for us? The fact is our manager did go and get McNulty.
The variety of views of our “fans” on Robins and Bakayoko are it seems to me; he shouldn’t have signed him he is useless, he shouldn’t play him ever again (after Blackpool), he shouldn’t bring him on as a sub he will never score (yesterday’s match thread)’ he is only bringing him on as he will have someone to blame for the defeat, If I was Bakayoko I wouldn’t try after the dog’s abuse he gets from Robins, Robins is on at Bakayoko the minute he comes on, why hasn’t Robins been playing Bakayoko more, he is much better than JCH, Bakayoko should be starting games now.
Just look at Grendel’s comments on Bakayoko in the match thread to show how fickle and changeable some people are, and he wasn’t the only one. For some reason, even though he has been great for our club, Robins can never win with some people. We even had one poster saying well yes, we won, but we were rubbish for 70 minutes. Did he not see the Scunthorpe, Rochdale and Gillingham games where Robins took dog’s abuse despite having a team that produced performances that should have won the games easily? As I say, with some he will never win. Let’s sack him and start the merry-go-round again.

 

[Grendel]

Robins brings in McNulty on a free transfer. He scores 28 goals in a season that gets us promotion. He gets no credit for that from some. He wants McNulty to stay but the player is insistent he wants to move meaning that Robins has to pull another rabbit from the hat. He generates, by all accounts, well over a million pounds from the sale of McNulty. He brings in Hiwula and Bakayoko, two players, which he explained yesterday, are young, not the finished article but which can be helped and developed by him to become better players. Where is the problem in that? It benefits the players, it benefits the team. And it benefits the club as more revenue will be raised than was spent and can then be reinvested again (if Sisu stick to the plan). Robins was again berated for not signing this player or that player as the season got underway and waiting instead for the opportunity to sign Chaplin. He stuck to his guns, waiting for the player he had faith in, presumably the player he thinks is closest to the finished product, who will score goals now but who he can also improve. What is wrong with that plan? All very well being experts on this player or that player he could have got for free and look how well they are doing. How many rival fans would be saying that about their manager not going in for McNulty at the start of last season when seeing how well he did for us? The fact is our manager did go and get McNulty.
The variety of views of our “fans” on Robins and Bakayoko are it seems to me; he shouldn’t have signed him he is useless, he shouldn’t play him ever again (after Blackpool), he shouldn’t bring him on as a sub he will never score (yesterday’s match thread)’ he is only bringing him on as he will have someone to blame for the defeat, If I was Bakayoko I wouldn’t try after the dog’s abuse he gets from Robins, Robins is on at Bakayoko the minute he comes on, why hasn’t Robins been playing Bakayoko more, he is much better than JCH, Bakayoko should be starting games now.
Just look at Grendel’s comments on Bakayoko in the match thread to show how fickle and changeable some people are, and he wasn’t the only one. For some reason, even though he has been great for our club, Robins can never win with some people. We even had one poster saying well yes, we won, but we were rubbish for 70 minutes. Did he not see the Scunthorpe, Rochdale and Gillingham games where Robins took dog’s abuse despite having a team that produced performances that should have won the games easily? As I say, with some he will never win. Let’s sack him and start the merry-go-round again.

Robins comments regarding Bakayoko until he scored we’re far worse than mine apparently - and he’s publicly slated Hiwula

 

[Nick]

Robins brings in McNulty on a free transfer. He scores 28 goals in a season that gets us promotion. He gets no credit for that from some. He wants McNulty to stay but the player is insistent he wants to move meaning that Robins has to pull another rabbit from the hat. He generates, by all accounts, well over a million pounds from the sale of McNulty. He brings in Hiwula and Bakayoko, two players, which he explained yesterday, are young, not the finished article but which can be helped and developed by him to become better players. Where is the problem in that? It benefits the players, it benefits the team. And it benefits the club as more revenue will be raised than was spent and can then be reinvested again (if Sisu stick to the plan). Robins was again berated for not signing this player or that player as the season got underway and waiting instead for the opportunity to sign Chaplin. He stuck to his guns, waiting for the player he had faith in, presumably the player he thinks is closest to the finished product, who will score goals now but who he can also improve. What is wrong with that plan? All very well being experts on this player or that player he could have got for free and look how well they are doing. How many rival fans would be saying that about their manager not going in for McNulty at the start of last season when seeing how well he did for us? The fact is our manager did go and get McNulty.
The variety of views of our “fans” on Robins and Bakayoko are it seems to me; he shouldn’t have signed him he is useless, he shouldn’t play him ever again (after Blackpool), he shouldn’t bring him on as a sub he will never score (yesterday’s match thread)’ he is only bringing him on as he will have someone to blame for the defeat, If I was Bakayoko I wouldn’t try after the dog’s abuse he gets from Robins, Robins is on at Bakayoko the minute he comes on, why hasn’t Robins been playing Bakayoko more, he is much better than JCH, Bakayoko should be starting games now.
Just look at Grendel’s comments on Bakayoko in the match thread to show how fickle and changeable some people are, and he wasn’t the only one. For some reason, even though he has been great for our club, Robins can never win with some people. We even had one poster saying well yes, we won, but we were rubbish for 70 minutes. Did he not see the Scunthorpe, Rochdale and Gillingham games where Robins took dog’s abuse despite having a team that produced performances that should have won the games easily? As I say, with some he will never win. Let’s sack him and start the merry-go-round again.

Again, you miss the point.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

The point is?

 

[ccfctommy]

There were very few who criticised mcnulty - even on here. Most recognised we were so devoid of real chances being created it was impossible to judge.

You must have missed Chesterfield away last season. He got dogs abuse.

 

[skybluegod]

And how much did McNulty cost us you fucking bell end haha

Haha what? Why the insult...
I literally said that money isn’t a guarantee of quality. Fucking bellend haha.

 

[robbiekeane]

Haha what? Why the insult...
I literally said that money isn’t a guarantee of quality. Fucking bellend haha.

Sorry for insult. A few Saigon’s down and got a bit trigger happy with the old keyboard bullets.

Your point according to your quote was that 500k doesn’t get the finished article...on a thread about robins saying that he didn’t have the money to sign the finished article. But McNulty was in a free which was the player you quoted for the value we sold him for....

 

[robbiekeane]

Perhaps forgetting who the manager was who signed Leon Clarke and McNulty for free. As that was by far and away McNulty's most prolific season, the manager takes no credit for that? I think some people need to take their blinkers off.

The point was that he didn’t have enough money apparently to sign a finished article this season? Whereas both of those players were 20 goal a season strikers?
Not buying this whole he developed them out of nothing...McNulty always had it in him when he finally got forced to play a system he was so obviously more suited to

Thanks for helping my point though much appreciated

 

[skybluegod]

Sorry for insult. A few Saigon’s down and got a bit trigger happy with the old keyboard bullets.

Your point according to your quote was that 500k doesn’t get the finished article...on a thread about robins saying that he didn’t have the money to sign the finished article. But McNulty was in a free which was the player you quoted for the value we sold him for....

My comment was in response to nick saying about 500k.
But the post has to be taken as a whole. It doesn’t matter what the fee it doesn’t gaurentee the finished article. It just so happened last year somebody who was of decent quality was free and wanted to come last year. This year sadly nobody free but players which have some ability but cost a bit

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

The point was that he didn’t have enough money apparently to sign a finished article this season? Whereas both of those players were 20 goal a season strikers?
Not buying this whole he developed them out of nothing...McNulty always had it in him when he finally got forced to play a system he was so obviously more suited to

Thanks for helping my point though much appreciated

The point is that he was the one who brought McNulty in, no one else. I had never heard of him before, had you? McNulty had the season of his life. He had never scored anywhere near that amount with any other club or any other manager but you refuse to say that any of that is down to Robins. Biamou’s improvement just coincidence too?
So Robins is at fault because he didn’t go for the three or four strikers mentioned on here. You can categorically state that in the long term they will be better than Chaplin, Hiwula and Bakayoko?
You really seem to have an issue with Robins, wanting him gone last season and seemingly after every deafeat this season. You were even giving him stick for shouting at Bakayoko yesterday. How do you know he was shouting at him? Could you hear him or positively know it was Bakayoko he was targeting when there are that amount of people and that amount of movement on the pitch? If Robins was shouting at him and it had that effect I hope he shouts at him every game.

 

[robbiekeane]

You were even giving him stick for shouting at Bakayoko yesterday. How do you know he was shouting at him? Could you hear him or positively know it was Bakayoko he was targeting when there are that amount of people and that amount of movement on the pitch? If Robins was shouting at him and it had that effect I hope he shouts at him every game.

What the fuck are you talking about mate do you need to take your meds? Fancy quoting me?

 

[robbiekeane]

So Robins is at fault because he didn’t go for the three or four strikers mentioned on here. You can categorically state that in the long term they will be better than Chaplin, Hiwula and Bakayoko?

This is my favourite part...when people struggle with an argument so ram words down my throat and attack them haha. Cute. No idea what 3 or 4 strikers you’re ever on about. Think you need some sleep

 

[Astute]

This is my favourite part...when people struggle with an argument so ram words down my throat and attack them haha. Cute. No idea what 3 or 4 strikers you’re ever on about. Think you need some sleep

What was your point?

Robins wasted money signing 3 strikers when he could have got better for free?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

What the fuck are you talking about mate do you need to take your meds? Fancy quoting me?

Apologies, just looked. Another poster not you with the comments on Robins shouting at Bakayoko.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

This is my favourite part...when people struggle with an argument so ram words down my throat and attack them haha. Cute. No idea what 3 or 4 strikers you’re ever on about. Think you need some sleep

Probably do need a good nights sleep but no problem with the argument.
Here’s what you said above:

The point was that he didn’t have enough money apparently to sign a finished article this season? Whereas both of those players were 20 goal a season strikers?
Not buying this whole he developed them out of nothing...McNulty always had it in him when he finally got forced to play a system he was so obviously more suited to

Thanks for helping my point though much appreciated

I think if you read through what I have said, as Astute mentions above, I have addressed what you have been saying in this thread. Rather than becoming shouty and abusive why don’t you explain why you think I am wrong?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I think that some people on here must be privy to some terrible secret about Robins that only they know but that they are not allowed to reveal to the rest of us. The only explanation that I can come up with for the constant tirade of abuse and negativity that comes his way. What I see is a manager who has turned this club around, who has won a trophy and who has got us promoted. He can’t live off that forever but I think I have seen and heard enough this season to give me hope. I still think we can go up again. What I do see is that we do have a plan on the footballing side which has a chance to take us forward. Get off his back and give him a chance.

 

[usskyblue]

Having a point on here...

 

[Nick]

I think that some people on here must be privy to some terrible secret about Robins that only they know but that they are not allowed to reveal to the rest of us. The only explanation that I can come up with for the constant tirade of abuse and negativity that comes his way. What I see is a manager who has turned this club around, who has won a trophy and who has got us promoted. He can’t live off that forever but I think I have seen and heard enough this season to give me hope. I still think we can go up again. What I do see is that we do have a plan on the footballing side which has a chance to take us forward. Get off his back and give him a chance.

You are still missing the point.

It's weird, the really long stories and posts that aren't at all relevant to the thread.

Out of interest, who has tiraded robins with abuse?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

And the point is?

 

[skybluetony176]

You are still missing the point.

It's weird, the really long stories and posts that aren't at all relevant to the thread.

Out of interest, who has tiraded robins with abuse?

No he’s not. He’s bang on the point. Robins is rebuilding a club with the resources available while trying to achieve an owners objective of developing players and selling them on. That means buying diamonds in the ruff and hopefully polishing them so he can move the club forward to satisfy the fans while producing a conveyor belt to satisfy the owners.

Your posts by contrast are about the most irrelevant on here. Ironically.

 

[Nick]

No he’s not. He’s bang on the point. Robins is rebuilding a club with the resources available while trying to achieve an owners objective of developing players and selling them on. That means buying diamonds in the ruff and hopefully polishing them so he can move the club forward to satisfy the fans while producing a conveyor belt to satisfy the owners.

Your posts by contrast are about the most irrelevant on here. Ironically.

Robins is saying he couldn't afford a proven striker in a season where we have spent much more than in a fair few years.

If he had to only deal with free transfers he would have a point.

That's not saying they are rubbish, it's not saying that free transfers are rubbish either. It's saying when we have spent as much as we have on strikers alone it's strange to moan about not being able to afford one.

It isn't about satisfying the owners, it's about keeping the club running isn't it the same as a lot of others who rely on selling players?

 

[Nick]

And the point is?

That we have spent much more than we have in previous seasons in buying players and mainly on strikers so the "couldn't afford to buy one" line doesn't stack up.

That's not saying any we have brought in are rubbish, as seen if we give them a chance they might do well for us.

Chaplin if 400-500k would have cost not far off if not more than most of the top goalscorers in the league.

It's almost as if the hands are tied line is being put out early.

 

[robbiekeane]

Probably do need a good nights sleep but no problem with the argument.
Here’s what you said above:

The point was that he didn’t have enough money apparently to sign a finished article this season? Whereas both of those players were 20 goal a season strikers?
Not buying this whole he developed them out of nothing...McNulty always had it in him when he finally got forced to play a system he was so obviously more suited to

Thanks for helping my point though much appreciated

I think if you read through what I have said, as Astute mentions above, I have addressed what you have been saying in this thread. Rather than becoming shouty and abusive why don’t you explain why you think I am wrong?

You referenced 3 or 4 players as if I said there were specific other targets I would have signed? I haven’t done that once? I spoke about McNulty and Leon Clarke arguably being our most prolific strikers in recent years and neither of them commanded a fee. With that in mind, I don’t buy this whole “didn’t have the money” excuse to get the finished article, when we’ve spend 750k on strikers.

That’s my point. Well to be fair mate I think you can probably expect someone to get shouty and abusive when you misquote me and out words in my mouth then make out I’m being stupid for saying things I didn’t even say....

 

[robbiekeane]

Robins is saying he couldn't afford a proven striker in a season where we have spent much more than in a fair few years.

If he had to only deal with free transfers he would have a point.

That's not saying they are rubbish, it's not saying that free transfers are rubbish either. It's saying when we have spent as much as we have on strikers alone it's strange to moan about not being able to afford one.

It isn't about satisfying the owners, it's about keeping the club running isn't it the same as a lot of others who rely on selling players?

Exactly. It’s really not a difficult one to grasp.

It doesn’t mean I hate robins I doesn’t mean I hate bakayoko or Chaplin blah blah blah cry cry cry it just means I don’t really buy his excuse about not having the finished article due to money.

I can’t really see how anyone can argue with that in isolation...

 

[robbiekeane]

while trying to achieve an owners objective of developing players and selling them on. That means buying diamonds in the ruff and hopefully polishing them so he can move the club forward to satisfy the fans while producing a conveyor belt to satisfy the owners.

To a degree we will always be a selling club as are most at this level. But not sure he’s massively trying to find players and sell them on for fees to “satisfy the owners” really? If he wants a bigger budget then he will have to sell a player. If he thinks he can work with that he has then he doesn’t. For example - he didn’t want to sell McNulty it was he who engineered the move. He said this numerous times. This would indicate that he was happy he could compete with the budget he had without selling McNulty (maybe he’d have sold someone else who knows). The point is he works within a budget and can increase it or decrease it with additions/sales from the playing squad.

Saying “to satisfy the owners” implies something completely different in my opinion. Again just holding the big bad SISU card

 

[Astute]

That we have spent much more than we have in previous seasons in buying players and mainly on strikers so the "couldn't afford to buy one" line doesn't stack up.

That's not saying any we have brought in are rubbish, as seen if we give them a chance they might do well for us.

Chaplin if 400-500k would have cost not far off if not more than most of the top goalscorers in the league.

It's almost as if the hands are tied line is being put out early.

We have brought in strikers for free. We have paid small amounts for strikers.

What some are saying is Robins could have signed 'the finished article' for free. But every club down at our level wants the same.

Our budget this season is mid table. Would you be happy with a mid table finish?

He has brought in young players to work with. We can only guess what happens that we don't see. Who expected two goals off the bench off Baka?

Yes Chaplin will have cost the price of an older striker with experience. If Chaplin does as good as I think he will his value will soar. That most probably wouldn't happen for an older player unless a club is desperate like with McNulty. And even then 1.2m isn't massive to what a young player hitting goals would be worth.

 

[Astute]

You referenced 3 or 4 players as if I said there were specific other targets I would have signed? I haven’t done that once? I spoke about McNulty and Leon Clarke arguably being our most prolific strikers in recent years and neither of them commanded a fee. With that in mind, I don’t buy this whole “didn’t have the money” excuse to get the finished article, when we’ve spend 750k on strikers.

That’s my point. Well to be fair mate I think you can probably expect someone to get shouty and abusive when you misquote me and out words in my mouth then make out I’m being stupid for saying things I didn’t even say....

So we signed two strikers for free. We sold them both mid contract for a seven figure transfer fee.

How many finished article strikers have we signed for free in the last 20 years that have scored goals?

Goalscorers cost money. All teams want them. There is always a reason a player is available for free.

 

[Nick]

So we signed two strikers for free. We sold them both mid contract for a seven figure transfer fee.

How many finished article strikers have we signed for free in the last 20 years that have scored goals?

Goalscorers cost money. All teams want them. There is always a reason a player is available for free.

Yes they do cost money a lot of the time

We spent a fair bit compared to normal so the point doesn't work does it?

I'd bet there will be a few free players who score more than our paid for strikers.

 

[Astute]

Yes they do cost money a lot of the time

We spent a fair bit compared to normal so the point doesn't work does it?

I'd bet there will be a few free players who score more than our paid for strikers.

A few maybe yes. Out of how many though?

The more you pay the better the chance. But no signing comes with a guarantee.

At least we have gone for young players who can improve than strikers nobody else wanted. That is a good start.

 

[Nick]

A few maybe yes. Out of how many though?

The more you pay the better the chance. But no signing comes with a guarantee.

At least we have gone for young players who can improve than strikers nobody else wanted. That is a good start.

The point is that we have paid this year.

There aren't that many million pound strikers in league 1 are there?

 

[skybluetony176]

To a degree we will always be a selling club as are most at this level. But not sure he’s massively trying to find players and sell them on for fees to “satisfy the owners” really? If he wants a bigger budget then he will have to sell a player. If he thinks he can work with that he has then he doesn’t. For example - he didn’t want to sell McNulty it was he who engineered the move. He said this numerous times. This would indicate that he was happy he could compete with the budget he had without selling McNulty (maybe he’d have sold someone else who knows). The point is he works within a budget and can increase it or decrease it with additions/sales from the playing squad.

Saying “to satisfy the owners” implies something completely different in my opinion. Again just holding the big bad SISU card

The owners don’t want to contribute to the club whether that be plugging holes in the cash flow or making up shortfalls to meet governance requirements. They’ve been very clear on that. So far this season we’ve had the MM money, Maddison windfall and by the looks of it a second Maddison windfall coming. This doesn’t and won’t reflect the budget. Clearly Robins has received some but some will be held back for the reasons already mentioned. Unless a proven goal scorer at this level becomes available on a free (which A: I don’t recall happening and B: everyone would be after them) Robins never had £1M or anything like that to spend on a finished article so he brought potential instead at a fraction of the cost of a proven goal scorer.

Promotion is inconsequential to our owners. Not costing them money while litigation is ongoing is there only ambition for the club.

 

[Nick]

Last year's top scorer in League One cost £450k which is the same as Conor Chaplin is going to be bought for.

So far this year:

Maja - Academy
Marquis - Free (talk of around 500k if he went in the summer)
Godden - "Six Figures"
Taylor - Free
Moore - £750k
Curtis - 100K
Cummings - Loan
Evans - Loan
Lowe - Undisclosed from National League South
Hopper - Free
Henderson - Free
Eaves - Free
Boyce - Undisclosed but apparently Burton's record signing in the Championship so probably a fair whack
Ahearne-Grant - Academy

Out of those top scorers, probably Boyce, Moore and maybe Godden cost more than Chaplin.

 

[Astute]

The point is that we have paid this year.

There aren't that many million pound strikers in league 1 are there?

If there was any 1m strikers they would have been sold by most clubs.

I still don't get the point of these comments.

Was Robins wrong to spend a small amount of money received on strikers? Are there plenty of free strikers available for free that are better?