Robins on CWR (1 Viewer)

NortonSkyBlue · Oct 8, 2018

Robins is not a perfect manager but he is proving he is a good manager for us and we should not be blinded by some poor performances nor go over the top with the better results.
I think the criticism has been justified to an extent but Robins deserves respect and patience. He has earned that.
I have seen the past three games in the flesh and some of the abuse aimed at the players and manager is pathetic from people who say they support the team. Do they fuck!
The Sunderland game had an edge, an atmosphere and the team and fans responded. We could have lost, we could have won.
The Portsmouth game: where did our supporters go? What happened between Saturday and Tuesday for two thousand fans to disappear? What happened that caused all of them to lose their voice? Shit support when the team needed it most. Pompey fans were great and we just didn't turn up. We lost, could and should have drawn.
Charlton was a tale of a great result masking a poor performance overall in my opinion. A win in a game we could have lost.
You finish where you deserve over a season and rather than capitulating to Forest Green twice and getting well beaten by Yeovil twice we are standing toe to toe with Sunderland,, Barnsley, Charlton and Portsmouth and still its not seen as progress.
Be careful of what you wish for. I hear there is a good manager available, who knows league 1.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

Astute said:
If there was any 1m strikers they would have been sold by most clubs.

I still don't get the point of these comments.

Was Robins wrong to spend a small amount of money received on strikers? Are there plenty of free strikers available for free that are better?

Who has said he was wrong?

I am saying his "We couldn't afford to buy a striker" stuff doesn't really stack up this season as he spent more than we have for a good few years on strikers alone.

As you can see with people like Tony and Irish, already lining up the "hands were tied" nonsense. If he didn't spend anything and had to rely on frees and loans they may have a point.

If you point out that his comment (Robins) doesn't add up, it then instantly seems to some that you are abusing him or want him sacked.

Astute · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
Who has said he was wrong?

I am saying his "We couldn't afford to buy a striker" stuff doesn't really stack up this season as he spent more than we have for a good few years on strikers alone.

As you can see with people like Tony and Irish, already lining up the "hands were tied" nonsense. If he didn't spend anything and had to rely on frees and loans they may have a point.

If you point out that his comment (Robins) doesn't add up, it then instantly seems to some that you are abusing him or want him sacked.

What Robins said is the strikers he has signed are not the finished article and he has been working with them.

Comments being made include you can get strikers that will score 20 goals for free. But not naming who they are.

He has come good before with strikers for us. And I trust him to do it again. But if I believed what I read on here Baka was a waste of money and Chaplin isn't much better.

Just like when I was ridiculed for saying I wanted to see Baca and Chaplin play together. We were only supposed to have signed Baca as a panic buy as it looked as though Chaplin wasn't coming to us.

Then when we lose a game or two there are questions asked on if Robins is the right manager to take us forward.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

Astute said:
What Robins said is the strikers he has signed are not the finished article and he has been working with them.

Comments being made include you can get strikers that will score 20 goals for free. But not naming who they are.

He has come good before with strikers for us. And I trust him to do it again. But if I believed what I read on here Baka was a waste of money and Chaplin isn't much better.

Just like when I was ridiculed for saying I wanted to see Baca and Chaplin play together. We were only supposed to have signed Baca as a panic buy as it looked as though Chaplin wasn't coming to us.

Then when we lose a game or two there are questions asked on if Robins is the right manager to take us forward.

I was talking about the "couldn't afford to buy bit". We had a 20 goal striker last season for free, I have gone through the current top scorers and pointed out who was free and who cost less than our main striker purchase.

You are also going off on a tangent the same as Irish by the looks of it. I've never slated Bakayoko and always said he deserved a proper chance. I haven't ridiculed you for saying that.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
Who has said he was wrong?

I am saying his "We couldn't afford to buy a striker" stuff doesn't really stack up this season as he spent more than we have for a good few years on strikers alone.

As you can see with people like Tony and Irish, already lining up the "hands were tied" nonsense. If he didn't spend anything and had to rely on frees and loans they may have a point.

If you point out that his comment (Robins) doesn't add up, it then instantly seems to some that you are abusing him or want him sacked.

His situation is what it is. You’re dismissing what he’s said with your own version of events. Robins comments do add up if you apply a small amount of logic to it. Who was available on a free that you could consider a finished article other than Chad Evans? What does that leave you? Finished articles for a fee which if there were any available we couldn’t have afforded them so the reality is that you’re left with one option. The option he’s taken.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I was talking about the "couldn't afford to buy bit". We had a 20 goal striker last season for free, I have gone through the current top scorers and pointed out who was free and who cost less than our main striker purchase.

You are also going off on a tangent the same as Irish by the looks of it. I've never slated Bakayoko and always said he deserved a proper chance. I haven't ridiculed you for saying that.

He wasn’t a 20 goal striker when we signed him. Which again proves Robins point. We sign diamonds in the rough because that’s the market we’re in.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
His situation is what it is. You’re dismissing what he’s said with your own version of events. Robins comments do add up if you apply a small amount of logic to it. Who was available on a free that you could consider a finished article other than Chad Evans? What does that leave you? Finished articles for a fee which if there were any available we couldn’t have afforded them so the reality is that you’re left with one option. The option he’s taken.

I've posted a list of the top scorers in the league.

Not just on a free, players who cost less / the same as Chaplin.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
He wasn’t a 20 goal striker when we signed him. Which again proves Robins point. We sign diamonds in the rough because that’s the market we’re in.

He had a decent record with Portsmouth the last time he was in League 2. As he said himself when he got stick, he was top scorer at his last 3 clubs (or something like that).

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
He had a decent record with Portsmouth the last time he was in League 2. As he said himself when he got stick, he was top scorer at his last 3 clubs (or something like that).

10 in 27. So like I said not a 20 goal striker.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
10 in 27. So like I said not a 20 goal striker.

He was though, last year for us and we got him for free.

He had a proven scoring record before he signed for us so it wasn't like he was an unknown from the 9th tier.

He had a better record than let's say Bakayoko who we paid 6 figures for.

Last year's top scorer in league 1 cost about the same as Chaplin.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I've posted a list of the top scorers in the league.

Not just on a free, players who cost less / the same as Chaplin.

I’m only seeing Ched Evans and Lyle Taylor down as free’s this season. Anyone else has either been at their club longer than the last transfer window or undisclosed. Not sure how you know that the undisclosed fees were the same or less than Chaplin either.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I’m only seeing Ched Evans and Lyle Taylor down as free’s this season. Anyone else has either been at their club longer than the last transfer window or undisclosed. Not sure how you know that the undisclosed fees were the same or less than Chaplin either.

I was going off the reported fees to compare them. I guess if they were undisclosed it instantly means we couldn't afford it?

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
He was though, last year for us and we got him for free.

He had a proven scoring record before he signed for us so it wasn't like he was an unknown from the 9th tier.

He had a better record than let's say Bakayoko who we paid 6 figures for.

Last year's top scorer in league 1 cost about the same as Chaplin.

And no one knew that at the time he was signed. Bakayoko and Chaplin weren’t available on a free so of course we paid more than we did for McNaulty. Jack Marriotts fee was also undisclosed so not sure how you have the inside information again.

Mild-Mannered Janitor · Oct 8, 2018

Whilst the Strikers needs some ability, its the partnerships and how you set up the rest of the team to feed that striker and his strengths that make a difference and is what is required of Robins.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
And no one knew that at the time he was signed. Bakayoko and Chaplin weren’t available on a free so of course we paid more than we did for McNaulty. Jack Marriotts fee was also undisclosed so not sure how you have the inside information again.

It isn't inside information:

LATEST NEWS: New favourites to sign Peterborough United striker Jack Marriott
Posh agree fee with Rams for ex-Hatter Marriott

Nobody ever knows how they will work out when they are signed, look at Freddie Eastwood and McKenzie.

All I am pointing out is that to say we couldn't afford a striker in a season we have spent about 700 - 750k on strikers is getting the hands are tied line in early. Understandable if we hadn't paid a penny last transfer window.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I was going off the reported fees to compare them. I guess if they were undisclosed it instantly means we couldn't afford it?

The majority of the top scorers have been at their clubs multiple seasons, one was even signed in the premier league. You’re talking about one or two of the top scorers signed undisclosed. Maybe we could have afforded them, maybe we couldn’t, maybe they were never interested in coming here anyway. Your theory is full of ifs, buts and maybe’s and even then is very thin. You’ll forgive me if I listen to Robins over your assumptions. Given how thin they are and how involved Robins is.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
It isn't inside information:

LATEST NEWS: New favourites to sign Peterborough United striker Jack Marriott
Posh agree fee with Rams for ex-Hatter Marriott

Nobody ever knows how they will work out when they are signed, look at Freddie Eastwood and McKenzie.

All I am pointing out is that to say we couldn't afford a striker in a season we have spent about 700 - 750k on strikers is getting the hands are tied line in early. Understandable if we hadn't paid a penny last transfer window.

And what was Marriotts record like at Luton by the way? He was hardly pulling up trees which again only supports Robins view on things.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
The majority of the top scorers have been at their clubs multiple seasons, one was even signed in the premier league. You’re talking about one or two of the top scorers signed undisclosed. Maybe we could have afforded them, maybe we couldn’t, maybe they were never interested in coming here anyway. Your theory is full of ifs, buts and maybe’s and even then is very thin. You’ll forgive me if I listen to Robins over your assumptions. Given how thin they are and how involved Robins is.

I didn't say anything about if we were interested in them or if they were interested in coming here. I was just talking about affording them.

Not too sure what is an if or a but or a maybe when we have spent 400-500k on a single striker which is more than we have for years.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
And what was Marriotts record like at Luton by the way? He was hardly pulling up trees which again only supports Robins view on things.

What was his record at Peterborough in League One (as you are on about first seasons now, he was only there for 1 wasn't he?)

I hope one of our paid for strikers does come good and bangs them in (or a combination of all 3 score loads) over this season and makes it irrelevant!

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
What was his record at Peterborough in League One (as you are on about first seasons now, he was only there for 1 wasn't he?)

I hope one of our paid for strikers does come good and bangs them in (or a combination of all 3 score loads) over this season and makes it irrelevant!

Again that only supports what Robins has said. The gulf between what Peterborough paid and sold him for is immense. There was nothing special about his record at Luton that would convince you that he was anything other than a gamble and even less to suggest how much he’d end up scoring in league one and even less again to suggest that he’d ever command the fee Derby were rumoured to pay. We certainly couldn’t afford his fee if we were looking to sign a proven league one goal scorer that wasn’t available on a free.

Truth is there is only a couple of free’s signed in the last window, we couldn’t afford a proven striker so Robins only really ever had one choice. If either Bakayoko or Chaplin come good (and there are signs there for both of them) then it will be good business, a gamble but good business. As you keep proving its also only the real viable option available bar a free being available and interested in coming to us.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Oh, if one or both do come off it’s only your argument that’s irrelevant. You’re jumping to judge him before the season is over and dismissing what he’s said based on a very thin argument.

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Oh, if one or both do come off it’s only your argument that’s irrelevant. You’re jumping to judge him before the season is over and dismissing what he’s said based on a very thin argument.

I'm dismissing what he said based on the fact we have spent a fair bit on strikers.

If we had spent nothing on fees then it would be fully understandable.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I'm dismissing what he said based on the fact we have spent a fair bit on strikers.

If we had spent nothing on fees then it would be fully understandable.

A fair bit on unfinished articles as we can’t afford the finished and freebies for whatever reason weren’t available to us/we didn’t want the ones that were.

dazed&confused · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I'm dismissing what he said based on the fact we have spent a fair bit on strikers.

If we had spent nothing on fees then it would be fully understandable.

But the 'fees' are only one part of a bigger picture.

Robins 'budget' this summer will have had both total and individual capital and revenue expenditure elements. He will have been told he can spend £x00,000s on transfer fees for x players (the capital part) with £x,000/week on wages, with an £x,000/week maximum for an individual player (the revenue part), and on top of that there will have been a maximum contract length. And then there's the club wage structure to keep the other players happy. I don't know what these numbers were. You certainly don't.

In the summer transfer window we were fishing in a pond that contained only players that would fit CCFC's self-limiting critera. If the player's wage demands were too high, he was outside our budget. If the player wanted a longer contract, he was outside our budget. If the selling club's transfer fee requirements were too high, he was outside our budget.

The players we signed and the clubs they came from were prepared to accept the combination of numbers that we offered.

And on top of that there are all the personal reasons that players have when they choose their next club.

But do stop banging on about 'fees'.

skybluegod · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
It isn't inside information:

LATEST NEWS: New favourites to sign Peterborough United striker Jack Marriott
Posh agree fee with Rams for ex-Hatter Marriott

Nobody ever knows how they will work out when they are signed, look at Freddie Eastwood and McKenzie.

All I am pointing out is that to say we couldn't afford a striker in a season we have spent about 700 - 750k on strikers is getting the hands are tied line in early. Understandable if we hadn't paid a penny last transfer window.

He hasn't said we couldn't afford a striker. He said we couldn't sign the finished Article this summer. For whatever reason.
You are misquoting him.

usskyblue · Oct 8, 2018

It’s a step forward that we have a fucking budget and we’re not a team full of freebies and loans.

(Advanced apologies for sounding remotely positive).

robbiekeane · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
This doesn’t and won’t reflect the budget. Clearly Robins has received some

Stopped reading

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluegod said:
He hasn't said we couldn't afford a striker. He said we couldn't sign the finished Article this summer. For whatever reason.
You are misquoting him.

I didn't start the thread saying about affording it...

Grendel · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
10 in 27. So like I said not a 20 goal striker.

Only 19 starts

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Nick said:
I didn't start the thread saying about affording it...

Neither did I. You’re the only one insinuating that we had money to spend on a finished article contrary to what Robins or I did actually say when I started the thread.

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2018

Grendel said:
Only 19 starts

So. If Luton thought he was good enough to start he would have started. Which again only confirms what Robins has said. Peterborough obviously saw something in him despite his lack of starts and goal to game ratio. Not so dissimilar from Bakayoko or Chaplin in that respect.

Grendel · Oct 8, 2018

Grendel said:
Only 19 starts

I’m talking mcnulty Tony

Nick · Oct 8, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Neither did I. You’re the only one insinuating that we had money to spend on a finished article contrary to what Robins or I did actually say when I started the thread.

Must be reading a different op, you clearly said about affording it. Which he is saying is misquoting.

It was obvious to try and get the hands are tied type excuse in.

What exactly is a finished article league one striker? I'm only talking about ones scoring goals.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 8, 2018

usskyblue said:
It’s a step forward that we have a fucking budget and we’re not a team full of freebies and loans.

(Advanced apologies for sounding remotely positive).

Actually felt a lot more positive when we actually signed Chaplin. Showed we were prepared to spend the McNulty cash, and use the Maddison bonus to keep the club running... rather than use the McNulty cash for that too.

So, great. Definitely not convinced by some of the signings(!) but it is the right principle to sell one, in order to strengthen overall with more than one player.

Johhny Blue · Oct 8, 2018

Astute said:
Ched Evans was available on a free. And he has a record.........

So did Marlon King

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