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PVA

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #36
shmmeee said:
When was the last decent English player who made a decent English manager? The route always seems to be coach first. I really don’t understand why you’d appoint someone completely inexperienced for a role based on their name, unless you’re just trying to pump and dump the club.
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Probably Carrick.

Though some Boro fans are getting a little impatient with him.
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #37
thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
It's not just Plymouth.His record of managing English clubs is 125 games 125 points, 1 point a game gets you religation.
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Even if you factor in his stint managing in the US, he has a career win percentage somewhere around 24% I think, slightly under maybe.
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #38
I do wonder why the hell he was bothering with a job like that. Surely he doesn't need the money so unless he actively wants to avoid being at home much why the hell would he take such an obviously difficult job so far away from where he is based?

I felt sorry for him when we played Argyle, awful players, idiotic red card and such a lack of desire to haul themselves out of the hole they are in. I know alot of that could well be down to his poor management but it just feels like a very sad sequel to a fantastic playing career.
 

Paxman II

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #39
This was inevitable to me. He just lacks most of the skill sets to be a manager. Was he really that good as a player? I'm not so sure. Playing in top teams presents you with a chance to make a name for yourself. He's not smart enough to take charge of a football club and I'd question the boards who appointed him. Names don't produce results.
Lampard is different. He has more skill sets, a family with football all around him. Harry Redknap etc. He at least stands a better chance and has made a half decent go of it elsewhere. With Lampard time will tell whether he's the guy to take to the promised land.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #40
Go and spend some quality time with your family Wayne and enjoy the wealth you've accumulated.

Managment isn't for you.
 
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Frostie

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #41
Lots of rumours about a drinking culture & lack of professionalism at both Plymouth & Birmingham, hopefully not true.

Paul Anthony said:
Even if you factor in his stint managing in the US, he has a career win percentage somewhere around 24% I think, slightly under maybe.
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itsabuzzard

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #42
itsabuzzard said:
And he didn't do a great job - most of the time Rangers came 2nd behind Celtic.
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Not sure why I've been posted a turd for making a factual statement. Having lived in amongst die-hard Rangers fans for the majority of my life, I know fine that playing second fiddle to Celtic is not regarded as a great job.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #43
Paxman II said:
Was he really that good as a player? I'm not so sure
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behave
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #44
Something was in the media a week or two back, bit of scandal or paper's trying to suggest it I think.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #45
Was a tremendous player. Odd choice of job, can't see where he goes next. Doesn't need the money, clearly loves the game. Hopefully a coach for grassroots as it would be a shame to lose that from the game entirely.
 

Shannerz

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #46
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I do wonder why the hell he was bothering with a job like that. Surely he doesn't need the money so unless he actively wants to avoid being at home much why the hell would he take such an obviously difficult job so far away from where he is based?
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Challenge. Because they were prepared to give him a go when his stock was poor.

You can't criticise his desire to succeed in management.
 
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blunted

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #47
Paxman II said:
This was inevitable to me. He just lacks most of the skill sets to be a manager. Was he really that good as a player? I'm not so sure. Playing in top teams presents you with a chance to make a name for yourself. He's not smart enough to take charge of a football club and I'd question the boards who appointed him. Names don't produce results.
Lampard is different. He has more skill sets, a family with football all around him. Harry Redknap etc. He at least stands a better chance and has made a half decent go of it elsewhere. With Lampard time will tell whether he's the guy to take to the promised land.
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Rooney was a great player, although was never quite as spectacular after his England? injury. I said at the start of the season Rooney was a gift to the other teams fighting relegation, and it appears I have been proved right. Can see their old manager going back.
There is a long list of great players being very poor coaches/managers, although it has been getting better with the proper training available.
Lamps, the jury is out. Great managers usually look good everywhere they go. Not always the case, but have something about them.
Chelsea second time around was a poison chalice and Everton was not much better.
Lamps has been brought in to get us into the play offs in the next few years. If he doesn't, I feel it will be bye bye. This season is a free hit.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #48
blunted said:
Rooney was a great player, although was never quite as spectacular after his England? injury. I said at the start of the season Rooney was a gift to the other teams fighting relegation, and it appears I have been proved right. Can see their old manager going back.
There is a long list of great players being very poor coaches/managers, although it has been getting better with the proper training available.
Lamps, the jury is out. Great managers usually look good everywhere they go. Not always the case, but have something about them.
Chelsea second time around was a poison chalice and Everton was not much better.
Lamps has been brought in to get us into the play offs in the next few years. If he doesn't, I feel it will be bye bye. This season is a free hit.
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Rooney was a fine players ,great not sure he seemed to peak as player at 19.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #49
Skyblue Bangkok said:
Rooney was a fine players ,great not sure he seemed to peak as player at 19.
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120 caps
50+ International goals
Nearly 500 Premier League appearances
200+ PL goals

Of course he was a great player!
 
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Sheffield Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #50
shmmeee said:
When was the last decent English player who made a decent English manager? The route always seems to be coach first. I really don’t understand why you’d appoint someone completely inexperienced for a role based on their name, unless you’re just trying to pump and dump the club.
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Kevin Keegan at Newcastle (to a degree, albeit without winning anything). They played some brilliant football at times.
Before that, Kenny Dalglish at Liverpool. 222 wins in 381 matches, 3 league titles, 2 FA Cups.
On the flip side, Alan Shearer at Newcastle. Hilariously bad.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #51
Sheffield Sky Blue said:
Kevin Keegan at Newcastle (to a degree, albeit without winning anything). They played some brilliant football at times.
Before that, Kenny Dalglish at Liverpool. 222 wins in 381 matches, 3 league titles, 2 FA Cups.
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I hope you're sitting down mate, I need to break something to you about Kenny Daglish
 
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Sheffield Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #52
clint van damme said:
I hope you're sitting down mate, I need to break something to you about Kenny Daglish
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His first spell at Liverpool included three titles, two FA Cups and four Charity Shields in six years. He then won the league with Blackburn in 1995. Hard to argue that was not a success?
His later terms at Newcastle and at Celtic were less successful, but four league titles with two clubs is hardly a failure, surely?
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #53
Sheffield Sky Blue said:
His first spell at Liverpool included three titles, two FA Cups and four Charity Shields in six years. He then won the league with Blackburn in 1995. Hard to argue that was not a success?
His later terms at Newcastle and at Celtic were less successful, but four league titles with two clubs is hardly a failure, surely?
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Haha! He's a success alright, but a Scottish one!
 

Sheffield Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #54
clint van damme said:
Haha! He's a success alright, but a Scottish one!
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Fair enough, but at least a British player who made his career in England and then managed in England too.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #55
Sheffield Sky Blue said:
Fair enough, but at least a British player who made his career in England and then managed in England too.
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They are thin on the ground.
Wad Redknapp the last English manager to win a trophy, FA Cup with Pompey?
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #56
Paxman II said:
This was inevitable to me. He just lacks most of the skill sets to be a manager. Was he really that good as a player? I'm not so sure. Playing in top teams presents you with a chance to make a name for yourself. He's not smart enough to take charge of a football club and I'd question the boards who appointed him. Names don't produce results.
Lampard is different. He has more skill sets, a family with football all around him. Harry Redknap etc. He at least stands a better chance and has made a half decent go of it elsewhere. With Lampard time will tell whether he's the guy to take to the promised land.
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Fucking hell re: was he that good a player
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #57
clint van damme said:
They are thin on the ground.
Wad Redknapp the last English manager to win a trophy, FA Cup with Pompey?
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Only just getting over that splurge of spending really and someone getting control of the ground,to be fan owned for a period I think.
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #58
clint van damme said:
They are thin on the ground.
Wad Redknapp the last English manager to win a trophy, FA Cup with Pompey?
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I heard on a podcast that fA charge 5 times more for coaching badges than in Spain and Italy etc which may be why only rich former top pros seem to get them
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #59
covcity4life said:
I heard on a podcast that fA charge 5 times more for coaching badges than in Spain and Italy etc which may be why only rich former top pros seem to get them
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Have read that somewhere
 
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baldy

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #60
MikeyMoo said:
Did we get him fired when he was at Brum too?
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We didn't get him the sack this time round tbh
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #61
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clint van damme said:
Have read that somewhere
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t certainly charges a lot more
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #62
Problem is for people like Rooney is they've never had to deal with adversity. He made it really young, went to the biggest club in the world, with the best manager, surrounded by the best players. He never had to work his way up or work hard at anything.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #63
torchomatic said:
Problem is for people like Rooney is they've never had to deal with adversity. He made it really young, went to the biggest club in the world, with the best manager, surrounded by the best players. He never had to work his way up or work hard at anything.
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He came from a working class background unlike FL.
 

fatso

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  • Dec 31, 2024
  • #64
torchomatic said:
Problem is for people like Rooney is they've never had to deal with adversity. He made it really young, went to the biggest club in the world, with the best manager, surrounded by the best players. He never had to work his way up or work hard at anything.
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You don't have the career Rooney had without 100% dedication, hard work and sacrifice.

Yes he had a god given talent, but so have many players who've never made it.
There are plenty of kids tipped for the top who disappeared without trace.

To suggest he never had to work, and everything just dropped in his lap is rediculous.


Man Utd under Alex Ferguson was probably the most demanding environment in British football. Many talented players failed there.

To survive, flourish, and become world class took 100% commitment.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #65
Skyblue Bangkok said:
He came from a working class background unlike FL.
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So what? He was in the first team at 16. Like I said he's not had to deal with adversity. Frank too, yeah.

They didn't drop down the leagues like a lot of good pros do.

Rooney needs to pack it in now. He doesn't have the skills etc to be a manager..
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #66
fatso said:
You don't have the career Rooney had without 100% dedication, hard work and sacrifice.

Yes he had a god given talent, but so have many players who've never made it.
There are plenty of kids tipped for the top who disappeared without trace.

To suggest he never had to work, and everything just dropped in his lap is rediculous.


Man Utd under Alex Ferguson was probably the most demanding environment in British football. Many talented players failed there.

To survive, flourish, and become world class took 100% commitment
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He probably is finished as a manager , FL
torchomatic said:
So what? He was in the first team at 16. Like I said he's not had to deal with adversity. Frank too, yeah.

They didn't drop down the leagues like a lot of good pros do.

Rooney needs to pack it in now. He doesn't have the skills etc to be a manager..simply more articulate, but a better manager let's see ,.
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Rooney is not articulate as FL but does that make FL a better manager, let's see over the next few months.
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #67
shmmeee said:
When was the last decent English player who made a decent English manager? The route always seems to be coach first. I really don’t understand why you’d appoint someone completely inexperienced for a role based on their name, unless you’re just trying to pump and dump the club.
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Carrick ain’t too bad


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
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skyblue025

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #68
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Back to sky to tell the other managers how to do it
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He's really good as a pundit. Gives a great insight on the game.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #69
Rooney may be a very good coach for all I know, I have never seen him coach. But I have seen his post match interviews and he just isn't very articulate. He lacks charisma. He lacks positivity. He lacks character. He lacks a sense of humour. He lacks answers and lacks vision. He lacks critical analysis.

Basically he lacks a lot of credentials I feel you need to be a good manager.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #70
skyblue025 said:
He's really good as a pundit. Gives a great insight on the game.
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Has offers for TV work lined up apparently.
 
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