Rooney (2 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

He probably is finished as a manager , FL

Rooney is not articulate as FL but does that make FL a better manager, let's see over the next few months.

He's already shown he's better than Rooney with his previous jobs

 

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[shmmeee]

He came from a working class background unlike FL.

Means fuck all when you’ve got the worlds top clubs courting you from age 9 or whatever. He didn’t have a working class upbringing.

 

[PVA]

Apparently Rooney agreed to leave by mutual consent so they didn't have to pay him compensation, as he wanted them to put that money towards the January transfer window instead.

Fair play.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I do wonder why the hell he was bothering with a job like that. Surely he doesn't need the money so unless he actively wants to avoid being at home much why the hell would he take such an obviously difficult job so far away from where he is based?

I felt sorry for him when we played Argyle, awful players, idiotic red card and such a lack of desire to haul themselves out of the hole they are in. I know alot of that could well be down to his poor management but it just feels like a very sad sequel to a fantastic playing career.

People need a purpose in life. He’s got all the money he needs to set up himself and his family. What’s he gonna do with that pile cash at 39?

He’s footy mad, that’s for sure but just not a good a manager.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Reckon he could come be our attacking coach? He did get Plymouth scoring sometimes in their own net too!

 

[duffer]

You don't have the career Rooney had without 100% dedication, hard work and sacrifice.

Yes he had a god given talent, but so have many players who've never made it.
There are plenty of kids tipped for the top who disappeared without trace.

To suggest he never had to work, and everything just dropped in his lap is rediculous.


Man Utd under Alex Ferguson was probably the most demanding environment in British football. Many talented players failed there.

To survive, flourish, and become world class took 100% commitment.

Fair enough, but I think Torchy's point isn't about him not working, more about the fact that he's always been at the top as a professional.

He's not had to work his way through the leagues - as a player he's obviously been gifted with a talent far beyond those he's trying to coach as a manager.

He's worked hard, for sure mate, but he's not had to struggle as a player. As a manager though, it's a rather different story.

 

[duffer]

People need a purpose in life. He’s got all the money he needs to set up himself and his family. What’s he gonna do with that pile cash at 39?

He’s footy mad, that’s for sure but just not a good a manager.

Blimey, I can't wait until the day I haven't got a purpose in life!

Maybe I should drop him a line and say that for a very reasonable fee I'd be happy to advise on ways to idle away entire days at a time. Sort of a procrastination life coach.

I'd start by signing him up to this forum. It's an absolute time thief.

 

[rob9872]

Blimey, I can't wait until the day I haven't got a purpose in life!

Maybe I should drop him a line and say that for a very reasonable fee I'd be happy to advise on ways to idle away entire days at a time. Sort of a procrastination life coach.

I'd start by signing him up to this forum. It's an absolute time thief.

Yep, SBT, wanking and eating Wotsits could easily fill a morning.

Beyond that you'd see me at the Masters, the Superbowl and following the England Cricket team on tour.

 

[duffer]

Yep, SBT, wanking and eating Wotsits could easily fill a morning.

Beyond that you'd see me at the Masters, the Superbowl and following the England Cricket team on tour.

I see a future for you in my business. Director of Procrastination? You can be in charge of recruitment, when you can be bothered of course.

 

[shmmeee]

I see a future for you in my business. Director of Procrastination? You can be in charge of recruitment, when you can be bothered of course.

How does a Director of Procrastination work?

“Rob have you got that report I asked for?”

“Yes duffer”

“You’re fired”

 

[rob9872]

How does a Director of Procrastination work?

“Rob have you got that report I asked for?”

“Yes duffer”

“You’re fired”

Tbf I'd deserve firing for that response. My actual reply would be 'bear with me, I'm working on it. I'll update further for you later in the week'.

 

[shmmeee]

Tbf I'd deserve firing for that response. My actual reply would be 'bear with me, I'm working on it. I'll update further for you later in the week'.

That’s why you earn the big bucks and I’m still looking for a procrastination apprentice job

 

[rob9872]

Actually scrap that, I'm a director. The response would be similar, but my team would be working on it.

 

[rob9872]

That’s why you earn the big bucks and I’m still looking for a procrastination apprentice job

When I'm director for Duffer, I have an opening for you in my team.

 

[TomRad85]

Tbf I'd deserve firing for that response. My actual reply would be 'bear with me, I'm working on it. I'll update further for you later in the week'.

I literally just sent that exact email almost word for word. I have no intention of even starting on the task until tomorrow...

 

[duffer]

I literally just sent that exact email almost word for word. I have no intention of even starting on the task until tomorrow...

You're in!

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

People need a purpose in life. He’s got all the money he needs to set up himself and his family. What’s he gonna do with that pile cash at 39?

He’s footy mad, that’s for sure but just not a good a manager.

Just seems to me there are far easier ways for him to stay in the game and balance a home life rather than trekking down to Argyle. You're probably right, just a burning desire to test himself as a manager. I feel its a shame for him that it hasnt worked out

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just seems to me there are far easier ways for him to stay in the game and balance a home life rather than trekking down to Argyle. You're probably right, just a burning desire to test himself as a manager. I feel its a shame for him that it hasnt worked out

Rooney can only speak for himself, but an educated guess is that he just has a desire to test him himself in a sport that he loves.

Frank Lampard was on the ‘Diary of a CEO’ podcast where he more or less said he doesn’t need the money of coaching, he just enjoys it and sees it as another way to test himself as a person.

We joke about how we’d love to retire in our 30s but it wouldn’t necessarily be a good thing. I personally get bored after being on annual leave for 2 weeks plus.

 

[Sbarcher]

It's a shame that Rooney's sacking has led to Plymouth shelving the tv show they were recording during his first year down there. They were hoping to raise the profile similar to Wrexham. It would have been interesting to see how he handled the coaching side of things.

 

[alexccfc99]

His biggest mistake imo was not learning which jobs to take on.

Derby was a financial basket case, and no sane manager would of looked at it.

Birmingham was owned by idiots who'd just sacked John Eustace who had the team overachieving (much like he has at Blackburn) the fans were disgusted with the sacking of Eustace, and the players never gave Rooney a chance (according to their fans) so again, a bad choice for Rooney.

Plymouth was another case of a club with no money and no chance of building a squad that could survive in the championship.
Whoever went there was on a hiding to nothing. Relegation was and is inevitable.

It's as if Rooney was so desperate for a crack at management that he'd literally take any job available. That's been his undoing.

He kind of got hoisted in at Derby, he was already at the club in a playing capacity and when you look at the contract they gave him as a player he probably felt partly responsible for the mess they were in so took the job on

Feel like the conversation about Rooney as a manager would be ever so slightly different had he stuck it out at Derby and gave League 1 a crack after they got themselves sorted out and were under new ownership

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Rooney can only speak for himself, but an educated guess is that he just has a desire to test him himself in a sport that he loves.

Frank Lampard was on the ‘Diary of a CEO’ podcast where he more or less said he doesn’t need the money of coaching, he just enjoys it and sees it as another way to test himself as a person.

We joke about how we’d love to retire in our 30s but it wouldn’t necessarily be a good thing. I personally get bored after being on annual leave for 2 weeks plus.

One can see retirees walking around aimlessly & not just the ones with alzheimers.

 

[bigfatronssba]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

Strikes me as someone who’s been shoed in at a higher level than he should’ve been and is out of his depth.

He’ll get another job lower down the league pyramid but unlike Lampard, Gerrard and few other ex-player managers, he didn’t get much of a chance to hone his skills at youth football. It was straight into the deep end at Derby.

 

[Gint11]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

100% agreed although my issue is top players retiring and walking into top level roles when there’s tonnes of qualified coaches who can’t get a sniff.

 

[Bad Boy]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

There are countless people trying to do a good job in all walks of society not just in football who neither seek or get the recognition and assistance that the likes of the favoured few get.
Personally I don't get some sort of perverse pleasure in seeing people fail. If I may be allowed to bring it back to the subject thread of 'Rooney', clearly he hasn't been successful as a manager/coach at any of the clubs he's been employed by so it would suggest he doesn't have what it takes, although I acknowledge he didn't get a lot of time anywhere he went.
Maybe volunteering might be his way forward.

 

[duffer]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

C'mon mate, I don't think there's anything particularly horrible about commenting on Rooney's continued failure as a manager. I'm sure it doesn't hurt him personally. Don't tell me you've never criticised a player or manager yourself, they're all trying their best too you know.

Nor do I think that being an average bloke, doing an average job, (and supporting an average team), is doing nothing with your life.

It's actually pretty hard work keeping your head above water these days. Anyone who can do it and remain moderately cheerful gets my respect mate, including yourself.

Rooney will cope somehow, I'm sure, and if he's really determined to stay in the game, then he'll find a job somewhere in it, without doubt.

 

[SBT]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

The problem with our society is a culture of entitlement where the rich and famous are given license to waltz into whatever jobs they fancy without having to prove their ability first, often at the expense of those who might have genuine talent. Showing a willingness to put in effort is a prerequisite for a job, not something we should be praising people for.

“A multi-millionaire declined a big payout from a loss-making local football club that he’d comprehensively failed at” - wow, what a hero

 

[Cov kid 55]

We’re a sick society when we take pleasure in something failing at trying to do a good job.

Rooney wanted to be a manager, so gave it a try, and from what I’ve seen put a lot of effort into it.

He didn’t need the money, he could fill his time with whatever leisure activity he wanted.

People who have done nothing with their lives like to see others failing, as it excuses their own lack of effort.

We should applaud people who try new things. Instead we mock them

This exactly. He didn’t need the money, and could have sat in a warm studio pontificating. But he wanted to stay in the game at the sharp end, so took on a really difficult, almost impossible job, a long way from his home and family, to try and prove himself. He may well not have what it takes to be a good coach/manager, but I applaud him for having a go. Much like Lampard, who is trying to prove himself at our club, where progress has stalled, and there are big weaknesses in the playing squad.

 

[shmmeee]

The problem with our society is a culture of entitlement where the rich and famous are given license to waltz into whatever jobs they fancy without having to prove their ability first, often at the expense of those who might have genuine talent. Showing a willingness to put in effort is a prerequisite for a job, not something we should be praising people for.

“A multi-millionaire declined a big payout from a loss-making local football club that he’d comprehensively failed at” - wow, what a hero

See the children’s books section in Waterstones for more evidence.

 

[torchomatic]

Fair enough, but I think Torchy's point isn't about him not working, more about the fact that he's always been at the top as a professional.

He's not had to work his way through the leagues - as a player he's obviously been gifted with a talent far beyond those he's trying to coach as a manager.

He's worked hard, for sure mate, but he's not had to struggle as a player. As a manager though, it's a rather different story.

Exactly this. Just what I was trying, and failing, to explain.

 

[torchomatic]

Just seems to me there are far easier ways for him to stay in the game and balance a home life rather than trekking down to Argyle. You're probably right, just a burning desire to test himself as a manager. I feel its a shame for him that it hasnt worked out

I do too, but he needs to swallow his pride and start in non-league or L2. He's not even 40, so he has plenty of time. Every lower league chairman would kill for the revenue and associated publicity he would bring their club.

 

[torchomatic]

100% agreed although my issue is top players retiring and walking into top level roles when there’s tonnes of qualified coaches who can’t get a sniff.

Which is a hangover from his playing career and my whole point at the beginning of the thread. Everything in his playing career fell into his lap. He obviously expects the same in his managerial career.

 

[SBT]

See the children’s books section in Waterstones for more evidence.

Oh, I have

 

[bigfatronssba]

C'mon mate, I don't think there's anything particularly horrible about commenting on Rooney's continued failure as a manager. I'm sure it doesn't hurt him personally. Don't tell me you've never criticised a player or manager yourself, they're all trying their best too you know.

Nor do I think that being an average bloke, doing an average job, (and supporting an average team), is doing nothing with your life.

It's actually pretty hard work keeping your head above water these days. Anyone who can do it and remain moderately cheerful gets my respect mate, including yourself.

Rooney will cope somehow, I'm sure, and if he's really determined to stay in the game, then he'll find a job somewhere in it, without doubt.

There’s a difference between people pointing out he’s failed and people who are glad he’s failed (and let’s not pretend those people don’t exist)

 

[Gint11]

Which is a hangover from his playing career and my whole point at the beginning of the thread. Everything in his playing career fell into his lap. He obviously expects the same in his managerial career.

What do you mean ‘fell into his lap” unless I’ve misinterpreted but I’d say he earnt everything he achieved in football. Being given top level management roles, he hasn’t.