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fatso

fatso

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Mr Panda said:
This is where I struggle with Robins conservatism, because whilst it enhances the physicality of that LWB position you’re completely nullifying our ability further up the pitch - a huge issue if you’re operating in a formation with wingbacks. Dasilva hasn’t done too much wrong this season - if him being 5”5 was an issue why buy him in the first place.

Luton are a physical side full of big boys, yes. But he’s made his lineup choice being ruled by fear rather than trusting the only specialist available in that position. It goes against things he says in the past about it being about us.
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We didn't buy him, he was a free transfer, so we couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

He has his uses but today wasn't ideal for him against a Luton side with some big powerful units in it, that's why we played all 4 centre halves, I'm sure if we had more CH's we'd of played more.

That's got to be one of the biggest sides we've ever put out (with the exception of Sakamoto)
 
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Perennial Lurker

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fatso said:
We didn't buy him, he was a free transfer, so we couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

He has his uses but today wasn't ideal for him against a Luton side with some big powerful units in it, that's why we played all 4 centre halves, I'm sure if we had more CH's we'd of played more.

That's got to be one of the biggest sides we've ever put out (with the exception of Sakamoto)
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Robins explained the Kitching decision in his interview. Kitching didn't actually play that badly bar a silly yellow card .
Robins realised we needed to change the game and threw Rudoni into the lwb position and to be fair he was excellent.
Would start the team that finished the game next game ,only decision would be Torp or Sakamoto. Would be Torp for me
 
Mr Panda

Mr Panda

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Otis said:
But like I said, it wasn't a defensive approach. We attacked really well today.

It only looked a defensive approach on paper. The reality was that we played some good attacking football and looked very likely to score.
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It worked more so when we weren’t playing a CB at LWB in a wing back focussed system
 
Otis

Otis

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Mr Panda said:
It worked more so when we weren’t playing a CB at LWB in a wing back focussed system
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Yes, but I think Robins played a blinder. Hard to predict how the system was going to work yesterday pre-game, or how in control of the game we would actually be. Truth is, we were the dominant side in that first half and Robins was seeing that we were getting quite a bit of joy attacking Luton.

I do also think that Kitching's yellow card was very much on MR's mind. He's not the fastest and would be the top choice to bag himself another yellow.

I think Robins played a blinder yesterday.

My only worry is, that although the Rudoni play paid off handsomely, he wasn't really tested as a defender, so the jury is still out on that one and whether he could play there consistently, game after game.
 
harvey098

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I actually think Rudoni will end up playing deeper throughout his career and become a similar style of player to Sheaf. He’s a tidy player and is always organising but I’m not sure how effective he is as that main creative player further forward. Trouble is, he’s literally our only option.

I honestly think the Palmer sale hit us harder than most appreciated, I think he would’ve been a really important player this season, even if it was just to relieve some burden occasionally on Rudoni.
 
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Skybluekyle

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I'm wondering if Kitching at LWB was to mitigate the cross field passes that killed us, especially in the first half, of the playoff final?

Just an extra tall man in defence. I still think we struggled with their physicality at times, though, especially against Adebayo, which I think has been a severe weakness of ours for some time now.
 
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ptr

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Skybluekyle said:
I'm wondering if Kitching at LWB was to mitigate the cross field passes that killed us, especially in the first half, of the playoff final?

Just an extra tall man in defence. I still think we struggled with their physicality at times, though, especially against Adebayo, which I think has been a severe weakness of ours for some time now.
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He literally said exactly that.
 
Mr Panda

Mr Panda

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rexo87 said:
Robins finally shows a good bit of flexibility to nullify strength of our opponent and some fans still aren’t happy. Dasilva at LWB would have been an absolute disaster. Constant cross field balls onto the heads of Adebayo and Morris
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I’m all for flexibility so long as it’s not to a detriment of the team.

Fair enough, play Kitching at LB with a winger ahead of him where there’s less emphasis on him to provide attacking input - but don’t play a CB at LWB in a 532 and expect him to do anything productive
 
Grendel

Grendel

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fatso said:
We didn't buy him, he was a free transfer, so we couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

He has his uses but today wasn't ideal for him against a Luton side with some big powerful units in it, that's why we played all 4 centre halves, I'm sure if we had more CH's we'd of played more.

That's got to be one of the biggest sides we've ever put out (with the exception of Sakamoto)
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We are paying wages on a 4 year deal for a player who was clearly aimed at being first choice
 
Gibbo

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Rudoni was involved in all three goals.

1. It was his corner for Simms,

2. A hanging cross from the left was poorly cleared to Sheaf who set up Torp

3. Another hanging cross, this time from the right, which Simms (I think) headed forward and Wright scored from multiple rebounds.

...now it was my impression that Rudoni was a dandy dan whose pretty footwork did not lead to much end product. Looks like we should tell him to get out on the flanks.
 
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Bristol sky blue

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Huge credit to Rudoni, really good, improved & effective performance and let's hope we have stumbled on the right formula to get the best out of him.

Was thinking in pre-season that I could see Bobby Thomas thriving on JR's deliveries at set pieces: if we can get him to whip in dangerous crosses from the left for Simms and Wright frequently, so much the better.
 
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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Chris1987 said:
Hope MR gives Rudoni a run of games at LWB. He can't be any worse defensively than JDS , has at least as much pace and obviously additional height. He showed ability to beat his man and whip dangerous balls into the box. A good number of players have successfully reinvented themselves in completely new positions ( for those of a similar age Kenny Burns was a fine example as was Paul Warhurst) .
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Kenny Burns was a dirty bastard, fact.
 
baldy

baldy

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Gibbo said:
Rudoni was involved in all three goals.

1. It was his corner for Simms,

2. A hanging cross from the left was poorly cleared to Sheaf who set up Torp

3. Another hanging cross, this time from the right, which Simms (I think) headed forward and Wright scored from multiple rebounds.

...now it was my impression that Rudoni was a dandy dan whose pretty footwork did not lead to much end product. Looks like we should tell him to get out on the flanks.
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So involved in just one goal then?
 
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Bristol sky blue

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I for one am delighted to eat humble pie over comments made about him in October (questioned his effort, not ability, that was never in question).
What is most pleasing about him (and Torp TBF) is that he is getting on the end of crosses now as well as providing decent ones. The appointment of FL is ideal in terms of developing attacking midfielders and Rudoni deserves praise for improving the timing of his runs in to the box as well as the frequency of them.
Along with EMC he is now beginning to shine.
 
Hutch11

Hutch11

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Bristol sky blue said:
I for one am delighted to eat humble pie over comments made about him in October (questioned his effort, not ability, that was never in question).
What is most pleasing about him (and Torp TBF) is that he is getting on the end of crosses now as well as providing decent ones. The appointment of FL is ideal in terms of developing attacking midfielders and Rudoni deserves praise for improving the timing of his runs in to the box as well as the frequency of them.
Along with EMC he is now beginning to shine.
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We must all learn that quite often, players need time to settle at a new club
Very rarely does a new player come in and hit the ground running
 
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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Bristol sky blue said:
I for one am delighted to eat humble pie over comments made about him in October (questioned his effort, not ability, that was never in question).
What is most pleasing about him (and Torp TBF) is that he is getting on the end of crosses now as well as providing decent ones. The appointment of FL is ideal in terms of developing attacking midfielders and Rudoni deserves praise for improving the timing of his runs in to the box as well as the frequency of them.
Along with EMC he is now beginning to shine.
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It's the Lampard effect, things can only get better. 😎
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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Bristol sky blue said:
I for one am delighted to eat humble pie over comments made about him in October (questioned his effort, not ability, that was never in question).
What is most pleasing about him (and Torp TBF) is that he is getting on the end of crosses now as well as providing decent ones. The appointment of FL is ideal in terms of developing attacking midfielders and Rudoni deserves praise for improving the timing of his runs in to the box as well as the frequency of them.
Along with EMC he is now beginning to shine.
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Thing with Rudoni specifically is that now we’re playing with a single pivot in midfield it means both midfielders are committing to attacks more. Think about Torp’s miss v WBA - how many times in recent years have 2 of our centre mids been effectively on the goal line in an open play move?
 
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Trueskyblue20

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SBAndy said:
Thing with Rudoni specifically is that now we’re playing with a single pivot in midfield it means both midfielders are committing to attacks more. Think about Torp’s miss v WBA - how many times in recent years have 2 of our centre mids been effectively on the goal line in an open play move?
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I never actually thought about it like that, clearly a Lampard effect.
 
PUSB-We_are_going_up

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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3 goals and 5 assists in 21 games so far this season, is very impressive numbers for a CM. You can’t just say ‘he takes corners’ to devalue his creativity because not everyone can take a corner look at Eccles. The fact he’s so good at delivering a ball into the box should be a good thing rather than something to put him down, we’ll benefit from it a lot, having someone like Bobby Thomas to attack the crosses in but not only him but Simms, and when he’s fit Haji Wright too
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
3 goals and 5 assists in 21 games so far this season, is very impressive numbers for a CM. You can’t just say ‘he takes corners’ to devalue his creativity because not everyone can take a corner look at Eccles. The fact he’s so good at delivering a ball into the box should be a good thing rather than something to put him down, we’ll benefit from it a lot, having someone like Bobby Thomas to attack the crosses in but not only him but Simms, and when he’s fit Haji Wright too
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Good numbers so far. I can see him improving under Lampard.

could well be on for 20 goal contributions this season which is thoroughly impressive
 
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PVA

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We'll_live_and_die said:
He hits them really flat and with pace which is dangerous. If he gets another foot of height they are such wicked corners.
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100% this.

Annoys me when people say 'omg a professional footballer and he can't beat the first man'

He isn't just trying to beat the first man. It's piss easy to clear the first man if you just float one into the box but that's not threatening. When whipping in with pace it's a very fine line and sometimes you're gonna hit the man.

Obviously if he's consistently hitting it into the shins of the first man that's different.
 
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