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What was the reason for him doing this?
Not saying your Mum did anything wrong btw(!) but there must have been some reason in his head!
What was the reason for him doing this?He was trying to stop people who had tickets from getting into the church for Jimmy's memorial, my mum just walked straight in with ticket in hand and he shoved her back, I lost the plot and went for him only to be restrained (by some fan behind me, not police) until I explained what he did, they let us in through the other door instead.
So many people tried getting in without tickets, it became a farce, people who had tickets had to stand outside and some gave up even bothering. The person at the door checking tickets was about 90 years old but he said to my mum to get in there and find a chair, then Joe came out of nowhere and shoved her back. I can imagine he was stressed but he could of just checked her ticket. About 8 people behind me all witnessed it and it all got heated because of him.What was the reason for him doing this?
Not saying your Mum did anything wrong btw(!) but there must have been some reason in his head!
6. Elliot was sold a dodgy tub of Sun Tan Lotion from my mum during her Avon Days, he never forgot about it5 things you didn't know about Joe Elliott and Beduff's fallout
1. Joe Elliott is secretly Beduff's long lost father, they recently crossed paths having a spray tan and the girl doing the tan noticed their similarity and Elliott didn't want to know.
2. Elliott went out in the Mount and had too many cans of breakers and judas'd Beduff in the toilets for looking at him funny.
3. Elliott wouldn't give Beduff 10p to use that portaloo that has now been removed and replaced with a place for Pigeons to congregate so he ended up pissing himself.
4. Elliott didn't look where he was going when flying out of JBs on his motability scooter and crashed into Beduff's leg, injuring him severely.
5. Beduff once got bombholes in Elliott's 1956 CCFC jacket when smoking biftas in his Montego, things never were the same.
Edit: Too slow
The way I look at it is that SISU are like The Black Plague. Hoffman and his crew probably have the potential to be bad as well, but probably at worst like Chlamydia level.
I think I'd rather take my chances with the Chlamydia.
You Can't expect disclosure of investors while a bid's are being placed. If after a purchase has been made then the investors have the right to stay in the shadows or come out and say what they expect from the investment made. Hoffman is no secret and is losing nothing by coming out and stating his objectives, in fact he has put pressure on Joy by stating some parts of the bid and saying its not derisory in his opinion while letting the fans decide if we think it is or not.
The fact its gone very quiet might mean Joy and Gary have decided to get round a table and discuss things to find if they can find common ground for any future deal. They both know media is not the way to do this at this stage and if one breaks silence then it will likely mean some sort of comeback, which makes it harder to deal when trust is being lost. As for us knowing the in's and outs im not interested to know now, i would prefer to know nothing until its either dead in the water or signed sealed and delivered.
Would i support Hoffman?, yes, listening to him on cwr has made its easier for me to agree with him on what is needed to change this club and turn it round. A plan of growth on strong foundation with supporter input is the way the club has to move forward. Sisu need the team to win to generate income which is hard when they are dismantling the product to allow progression, this with the fact they have destroyed the hope of the fans with them in control is a bad combination. Hoffman has more up his sleeve with this bid, more backing and i would of thought a closer relationship within to allow the base to be build to move forward.
Other than this we as fans have no other option, buy a ST its up to the individual but for me i would ask 2 question's.
Am i supporting the boys or supporting Sisu to carry on with the demise of the club which is where they are taking it.
And when should they support the boys which will allow me to support them to gain progression for my club.
Supporting the boys for me is ok but everyday, every year it must get harder to do for loyal fans, i dont have this issue i gave up on the club while these are here a while ago. It hurts but i know it will not get better while they are in control and question others for trying to change it weather thats means no more ST, only away games or Hoffman trying to buy it. Time will tell us all the answer but i hope this time next year we are all talking about promotion and investment within the club. Not look what we could of done if we had kept Thomas, Stevenson, Willis or Haynes, i fear the pattern will continue and fans will be blamed for the lack of success.
Better the devil you know. And at least GH and JE are fans. SHOULD they be able to buy the club, it may be easier to attract investors/other fans, knowing that its for the benefit of the team. If I had money to throw away, to help improve our fortunes, I'd be wary of doing that under the current regime.
Congrats on breaking the 100 page of posts
He hasn't put pressure on though by revealing parts of the bid, he has eased the pressure by revealing more as it's given more to be analysed and made it clearer that it was never going to be accepted.
Also, don't try the whole "supporting SISU" line.
Isn't that what you were saying you wanted though? More information revealed before you could in anyway back in the bid? Can't win.
You Can't expect disclosure of investors while a bid's are being placed. If after a purchase has been made then the investors have the right to stay in the shadows or come out and say what they expect from the investment made. Hoffman is no secret and is losing nothing by coming out and stating his objectives, in fact he has put pressure on Joy by stating some parts of the bid and saying its not derisory in his opinion while letting the fans decide if we think it is or not.
The fact its gone very quiet might mean Joy and Gary have decided to get round a table and discuss things to find if they can find common ground for any future deal. They both know media is not the way to do this at this stage and if one breaks silence then it will likely mean some sort of comeback, which makes it harder to deal when trust is being lost. As for us knowing the in's and outs im not interested to know now, i would prefer to know nothing until its either dead in the water or signed sealed and delivered.
Would i support Hoffman?, yes, listening to him on cwr has made its easier for me to agree with him on what is needed to change this club and turn it round. A plan of growth on strong foundation with supporter input is the way the club has to move forward. Sisu need the team to win to generate income which is hard when they are dismantling the product to allow progression, this with the fact they have destroyed the hope of the fans with them in control is a bad combination. Hoffman has more up his sleeve with this bid, more backing and i would of thought a closer relationship within to allow the base to be build to move forward.
Other than this we as fans have no other option, buy a ST its up to the individual but for me i would ask 2 question's.
Am i supporting the boys or supporting Sisu to carry on with the demise of the club which is where they are taking it.
And when should they support the boys which will allow me to support them to gain progression for my club.
Supporting the boys for me is ok but everyday, every year it must get harder to do for loyal fans, i dont have this issue i gave up on the club while these are here a while ago. It hurts but i know it will not get better while they are in control and question others for trying to change it weather thats means no more ST, only away games or Hoffman trying to buy it. Time will tell us all the answer but i hope this time next year we are all talking about promotion and investment within the club. Not look what we could of done if we had kept Thomas, Stevenson, Willis or Haynes, i fear the pattern will continue and fans will be blamed for the lack of success.
Isn't that what you were saying you wanted though? More information revealed before you could in anyway back in the bid? Can't win.
I'm not arguing if we need the detail or not. Just pointing out its constant negativity from Nick. And he wonders why he has the reputation he does.
Certainly not against someone buying SISU out of the club, but what does concern me is that the lead guy was part of SISU for an amount of time (during which he along with others agreed to try and shut down the academy). Surely you would want to ideally cut any ties with the current regime as well as previous ones too and have a completely fresh start.I find it hard to work out why some of our fans are against the idea of a consortium of City fans attempting to buy out Sisu. It really is bizarre.
You've got plenty of fun and frolics to come!I'm on page two of this thread
Didn't Hoffman say that they would be revealed in due course? I might be wrongWhy should they disclose themselves?
Surely hidden away investors and faceless people is bad, no matter whether it's SISU or Hoffman fronting it?
Read the context of what brought that up, I'm sure you will understand then.
It's when at your lowest you have to be at your strongest.
Never fancied the ever decreasing circles of a decline. Given a choice between that and oblivion with starting again, I'd have gone for the latter every time.
What I don't want is a brief blip, then the decline continues. What I do want is the deal that starts to rebuild us as a club, otherwise we're just pissing in the wind as far as I'm concerned.
I get al that, I really do - But I am prepared to take a leap of faith as we need new ownership. Something I didn't do when Sisu took over - I was very much "wait and see". Maybe I have become more desperate after 9 years.Certainly not against someone buying SISU out of the club, but what does concern me is that the lead guy was part of SISU for an amount of time (during which he along with others agreed to try and shut down the academy). Surely you would want to ideally cut any ties with the current regime as well as previous ones too and have a completely fresh start.
There are other business people involved - why can't one of them be the lead? Or are there more spurious characters from our past involved?
Thing is, if they can take control from SISU if a new interested party then stepped forward,the problem is NW that I don't see any shred of evidence that there is another potential bidder. There may be of course.
Thing is, if they can take control from SISU if a new interested party then stepped forward,
I would think they would find Hoff and co a lot easier to deal with than they ever would SISU.
Indeed as fans of the club "(and I do get the impression their main objection is to save the -
Club, rather than some vanity project) I think they'd be delighted if someone stepped up
Who could really take the club forward.
Who knows there maybe someone behind the scenes, instigating the Hoffman bid because
They don't want to deal with SISU, like wasps for example.:emoji_thinking:
Don't misunderstand me Torch, I'm not saying I'd agree, or that it's happening, just pointingChrist I hope not. Swapping one hedge fund for another one sounds pretty stupid to me.
Yup, if the local businessmen were them, then that's me out!Christ I hope not. Swapping one hedge fund for another one sounds pretty stupid to me.
But SISU are alright and that's you in?Yup, if the local businessmen were them, then that's me out!
I agree it was likely never going to be accepted bit disagree that it was not a realistic offer.That's because the bid wasn't actually very good when we found out more information so was no way going to be accepted. It was also rejected straight out.
There always seem to be catches away from the headline figures that get people excited.
It's being realistic. If there's a bid with none of the dodgy catches and more realistic then it's more likely to be accepted.
I want bids and takeovers to work, pointing out that they won't after getting more info isn't being negative. The same as needing more info to be able to judge rather than blindly backing (which then turns out to have clauses and terms) isn't either.
But SISU are alright and that's you in?
Don't take that the wrong way though, just trying to understand why people can tolerate SISU but not others.
Me too, the only plus side is we wouldn't be homeless in 2018, the academy would have a home and the players would have a training ground. As it stands presently, we have none of the three.I think in the case of being taken over by Wasps - conjecture I know - it would be a case of making the same mistakes we've made in the past and expecting a different outcome.
Personally I hope a hedge fund never comes near CCFC again.
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