Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (13 Viewers)

[Nick]

I don't disagree with anything you say above Nick. Nobody more than me wants a successful CCFC. Let's hope for the better times returning.
Keep enjoying spending time with your daughter on a Saturday afternoon. My two girls are 25 and 28 now and we spent some fantastic time travelling round the country watching City home and away. Their Mum (my wife) died when they were 14 and 11 respectively so it was a great way to spend Dad/daughter time at a weekend whilst keeping me happy with my Skyblue fix. We still go to games together on occasion and Wembley was a great family day out.
One day SISU will be gone ( I hope it's not to late) and we can all have our club back.
However, when you read stories about Rooney gambling and the Pogba agent dealings it makes you really wonder why we care anymore.

It shows the massive gulf between top level and the lower leagues when individual players will earn more than League 1 clubs turn over.

I know SISU are wankers, but I can't help but think football in general isn't the same at all when it comes to the lower league clubs any more.

If people don't go because of lack of entertainment I can understand that, I just don't think people should cut off their nose to spite their face if they really will miss going.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife!

 

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[fernandopartridge]

However, when you read stories about Rooney gambling and the Pogba agent dealings it makes you really wonder why we care anymore.

Can't agree enough. I love CCFC but increasingly hate the game, particularly at the top (as in the paid the most, it's not a great game in the commercial fest tournaments) level.
The pursuit of monetary awards effects the behaviour of clubs, players and fans and not for the better.

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[Chipfat]

Troy Deeney said it the other day, kids he see's want the cars, the clothes the girls and all the trappings the game brings before they have ever been in a 1st team dressing room. Agents are pushing this and until they get pulled they will use what these kids see to drive the contracts being offered. A 16 year old should never be given a 5000 a week deal but they are and that is a dangerous concept for the future of the game.

Nick maybe right watch it for what it is and use the reasons why we watched in the 1st place, we cant change the big business and money hurting the game right now. Lets face it, if it wasn't for a premiership dream of richest SISU would of never even looked our way for a second.

 

[shmmeee]

Sometimes I wonder if a more American system lower down would be beneficial where kids don't sign until 18 and play high school and college sports. I'd imagine it at least keeps their eye on development for a bit longer. Might also help with 12 year olds being snapped up by big clubs. You could limit each clubs intake each year as well and at that age you might get a few more pick lower clubs to get a game than be stuck in Man Utd reserves.

 

[Cranfield Sky Blue]

Does anyone know the rate of interest that Avro charge the club against the loan?

Eleventy million! Sorry I just love that number!

 

[robbiekeane]

Sometimes I wonder if a more American system lower down would be beneficial where kids don't sign until 18 and play high school and college sports. I'd imagine it at least keeps their eye on development for a bit longer. Might also help with 12 year olds being snapped up by big clubs. You could limit each clubs intake each year as well and at that age you might get a few more pick lower clubs to get a game than be stuck in Man Utd reserves.

I agree completely. Would give unis a lot more funding too....have you seen US college campuses???

 

[bawtryneal]

Would mean the greedy bastards from the Premier Laegue parting with money. Can you see that happening ??

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Troy Deeney said it the other day, kids he see's want the cars, the clothes the girls and all the trappings the game brings before they have ever been in a 1st team dressing room. Agents are pushing this and until they get pulled they will use what these kids see to drive the contracts being offered. A 16 year old should never be given a 5000 a week deal but they are and that is a dangerous concept for the future of the game.

Nick maybe right watch it for what it is and use the reasons why we watched in the 1st place, we cant change the big business and money hurting the game right now. Lets face it, if it wasn't for a premiership dream of richest SISU would of never even looked our way for a second.

Absolutely agree mate. The one, and only criticism of Jimmy Hill, was the championing of doing away with the wage cap for footballers. should have been kept to a reasonable wage increase percentage each season.

 

[BigadamL]

Sometimes I wonder if a more American system lower down would be beneficial where kids don't sign until 18 and play high school and college sports. I'd imagine it at least keeps their eye on development for a bit longer. Might also help with 12 year olds being snapped up by big clubs. You could limit each clubs intake each year as well and at that age you might get a few more pick lower clubs to get a game than be stuck in Man Utd reserves.

Schools actually have the right to pull rank on football clubs, however this never happens as a lot of football clubs give away free training, free football kits which helps the schools out money wise. Schools have been placed over a barrel with football clubs.

 

[chiefdave]

Schools actually have the right to pull rank on football clubs, however this never happens as a lot of football clubs give away free training, free football kits which helps the schools out money wise. Schools have been placed over a barrel with football clubs.

The obvious solution would be to make schools the primary focus. Have the clubs work with local schools to make sure they have the best possible level of coaching and decent facilities.

Then at a certain age, say 14 or 16, the best players are enrolled in the local clubs academy. Make it a condition that they must continue education until 18. Then at 18 the local club has first option on them. You could bring in something like entry level contacts which they use in some sports in the States where until you're a certain age or have played a certain number of first team games your maximum salary is capped.

 

[Brylowes]

Absolutely agree mate. The one, and only criticism of Jimmy Hill, was the championing of doing away with the wage cap for footballers. should have been kept to a reasonable wage increase percentage each season.

Not sure I agree with this really, as the centre piece of the whole operation the footballers Back
then weren't particularly well paid, where as the owners kept the cream for themselves.
As the players representative he freed them from the max wage and enabled them to earn the
Living their skill set deserved.
However, I don't think he 'for a second " he envisidged the huge shift in power and incredible earning
Potential enjoyed by today's players bought about by Sky, Bossman, sponsorship etc.

Blaming Jimmy Hill for the money involved in today's game is a bit like blaming Aneurin Bevan for
The current state of the NHS, because he invented it.

 

[martcov]

Absolutely agree mate. The one, and only criticism of Jimmy Hill, was the championing of doing away with the wage cap for footballers. should have been kept to a reasonable wage increase percentage each season.

Yes, so that rest goes into the owner's pockets..... are you speaking for Joy?

 

[Captain Dart]

Not sure I agree with this really, as the centre piece of the whole operation the footballers Back
then weren't particularly well paid, where as the owners kept the cream for themselves.
As the players representative he freed them from the max wage and enabled them to earn the
Living their skill set deserved.
However, I don't think he 'for a second " envisidged the huge shift in power and incredible earning
Potential enjoyed by today's players bought about by Sky, Bossman, sponsorship etc.

Blaming Jimmy Hill for the money involved in today's game is a bit like blaming Aneurin Bevan for
The current state of the NHS, because he invented it.

Point of order Beveridge was the man who invented the NHS.He was a Liberal.
BBC - History - William Beveridge

 

[Brylowes]

Point of order Beveridge was the man who invented the NHS.He was a Liberal.
BBC - History - William Beveridge

Sort of, the "Beveridge report" of 1942 called for something to be done for the health and prevention
Of disease, so yes there's no doubt his report was the precursor for the NHS.
Bevan was the Labour health minister in 1945 charged with the job of planning and implementation
Of the system we have today.

 

[Captain Dart]

Sort of, the "Beveridge report" of 1942 called for something to be done for the health and prevention
Of disease, so yes there's no doubt his report was the precursor for the NHS.
Bevan was the Labour health minister in 1945 charged with the job of planning and implementation
Of the system we have today.

Yes, I knew that too.
Architect & Builder.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Not sure I agree with this really, as the centre piece of the whole operation the footballers Back
then weren't particularly well paid, where as the owners kept the cream for themselves.
As the players representative he freed them from the max wage and enabled them to earn the
Living their skill set deserved.
However, I don't think he 'for a second " he envisidged the huge shift in power and incredible earning
Potential enjoyed by today's players bought about by Sky, Bossman, sponsorship etc.

Blaming Jimmy Hill for the money involved in today's game is a bit like blaming Aneurin Bevan for
The current state of the NHS, because he invented it.

I don't begrudge footballers having good wages,(I used to be one) but there isn't a footballer alive that is worth over £300k pw. That is just well OTT. mate, Mike Parry on Talksport said 15 years ago about football "Going to hell in a handcart" because of the huge players wage bills. I don't think he was wrong either. Look at the likes of Wayne Rooney losing half a million pounds in one afternoon in the bookies(Allegedly) He lost more money in that afternoon than Grendel gets in 5 years... Absolutely disgusting eh Grendel?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Yes, so that rest goes into the owner's pockets..... are you speaking for Joy?

You're asking the wrong person mate, perhaps RFC could answer that one for you..... btw do you think the likes of Rooney Pogba, Ibrahimovic are worth £300k pw? Coz I don't!

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

You're asking the wrong person mate, perhaps RFC could answer that one for you..... btw do you think the likes of Rooney Pogba, Ibrahimovic are worth £300k pw? Coz I don't!

I have no opinion on how much anybody earns, it's about market forces and what people will accept, here in KSA you can pay staff150 pounds a month and they will thank you, for this they get accommodations and food, medical and transport included and no tax and flights home every couple of years and it is much better than in their home country.
This is one end of the scale and the top players are at the other end and can drop a couple of weeks wages at the casino in a night. Is that right? Well he will have paid more in tax in a week than most earn in five years, that will trickle down into payments for staff, services paid for and keep builders, tailors, restaurants, car makers etc... in business.
As long as his club is solvent, as long as his salary that's pays it own way then frankly it's none of my business and to me it is small minded to begrudge them something that you would snap their hands off for if it was offered to you.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't begrudge footballers having good wages,(I used to be one) but there isn't a footballer alive that is worth over £300k pw. That is just well OTT. mate, Mike Parry on Talksport said 15 years ago about football "Going to hell in a handcart" because of the huge players wage bills. I don't think he was wrong either. Look at the likes of Wayne Rooney losing half a million pounds in one afternoon in the bookies(Allegedly) He lost more money in that afternoon than Grendel gets in 5 years... Absolutely disgusting eh Grendel?

there's a subtext to this for me, people don't like young working class lads making that amount of money.
Never hear anyone moaning about what Benedict Cumberbatch or Ediie Redmayne earn.

If the working class lad in question happens to be ethnic the loathing and jealousy goes off the scale - hence McKenzies article about Ross Barkley the other week. Good luck to them I say.

No one has to contribute to the money sloshing around football but I have no choice but to, via my taxes, put money in the pocket of arseholes like boris and farage.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I have no opinion on how much anybody earns, it's about market forces and what people will accept, here in KSA you can pay staff150 pounds a month and they will thank you, for this they get accommodations and food, medical and transport included and no tax and flights home every couple of years and it is much better than in their home country.
This is one end of the scale and the top players are at the other end and can drop a couple of weeks wages at the casino in a night. Is that right? Well he will have paid more in tax in a week than most earn in five years, that will trickle down into payments for staff, services paid for and keep builders, tailors, restaurants, car makers etc... in business.
As long as his club is solvent, as long as his salary that's pays it own way then frankly it's none of my business and to me it is small minded to begrudge them something that you would snap their hands off for if it was offered to you.[/QUOTE

I'm not a greedy person pal, and as long as my family and myself are comfortably off I won't moan. You see, not everyone in life is a "Money grabber" Oh Yes, I almost forgot, Look at my earlier post about not begrudging players. Shows you don't read all posts eh?

Meanwhile teams like Southport, Chester City, Halifax, Hereford, Accrington, to name a few, that couldn't afford to carry on and went into Administration/Liquidation(Some now back in the football league(Accrington) could have done with a helping hand to keep grass roots football alive and save them from extinction. One weeks wages of a top player could sustain a L2 club for years.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

there's a subtext to this for me, people don't like young working class lads making that amount of money.
Never hear anyone moaning about what Benedict Cumberbatch or Ediie Redmayne earn.

If the working class lad in question happens to be ethnic the loathing and jealousy goes off the scale - hence McKenzies article about Ross Barkley the other week. Good luck to them I say.

No one has to contribute to the money sloshing around football but I have no choice but to, via my taxes, put money in the pocket of arseholes like boris and farage.

Firstly we're talking about Footballers not Actors.
Secondly, why are you bringing ethnicity into this?
Thirdly you do contribute to it...Voluntarily.... by putting money into the pockets of "Arseholes" (SISU Sepalla, Fisher) every other week mate!

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

I don't begrudge what footballers earn because if a club says we will give you £100,000 a week your not gonna say no are you? Just pisses me off what the agents cut is!!
How do you become a football agent btw????

 

[clint van damme]

Firstly we're talking about Footballers not Actors.
Secondly, why are you bringing ethnicity into this?
Thirdly you do contribute to it...Voluntarily.... by putting money into the pockets of "Arseholes" (SISU Sepalla, Fisher) every other week mate!

But no one ever attacks these actors earnings even though they're comparable with footballers. Why is it OK for little rich boys to earn that type of money?
I was talking more specifically about attacks on footballers earnings in certain sections of the media rather than your post, that's where the ethnicity comes into it rather than your comments.

And your point about sisu proves what I was saying, I choose to put money into the club, I don't choose to give money to boris and farage but have to anyway.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

But no one ever attacks these actors earnings even though they're comparable with footballers. Why is it OK for little rich boys to earn that type of money?
I was talking more specifically about attacks on footballers earnings in certain sections of the media rather than your post, that's where the ethnicity comes into it rather than your comments.

And your point about sisu proves what I was saying, I choose to put money into the club, I don't choose to give money to boris and farage but have to anyway.

Like I said. We were talking about Footballers not actors.
And we were talking about footballers/Owners once again, not politicians.

 

[Great_Expectations]

I don't begrudge footballers having good wages,(I used to be one) but there isn't a footballer alive that is worth over £300k pw. That is just well OTT. mate, Mike Parry on Talksport said 15 years ago about football "Going to hell in a handcart" because of the huge players wage bills. I don't think he was wrong either. Look at the likes of Wayne Rooney losing half a million pounds in one afternoon in the bookies(Allegedly) He lost more money in that afternoon than Grendel gets in 5 years... Absolutely disgusting eh Grendel?

Who did you play for when you were a footballer?

 

[the rumpo kid]

i looked on here to see if there was any news on a take over , and all i can see is people bickering about players wage demands. please use another thread for this , the whole 129 page is full of it.

 

[clint van damme]

Like I said. We were talking about Footballers not actors.
And we were talking about footballers/Owners once again, not politicians.

yes we were talking about footballers, and I mentioned actors to make my point that it's only footballers who come under attack for their earnings hence it's relevance.
And I mentioned politicians to make the point about voluntarily and involuntarily contributing towards people salaries, hence it's relevance.

In the same way that when discussing owners of a football club, you have used home owning and mortgages to try ans illustrate your point.

 

[Great_Expectations]

Footballers wages are ridiculous and even at our level we are seeing the impact of the disparity between PL and L1/2 clubs. As a recent example see the Camwell thread - if he does go to Stoke, you would assume that's predominantly monetary driven. If the gulf wasn't so big and the difference between PL and L2 a few hundred as opposed to thousands, he may well not be so tempted.

Saying that, unfortunately the demand and money is obviously there, else PL, and increasingly Championship, clubs would not be able to offer the wages they do (roughly speaking - I appreciate it is not that black and white).

 

[robbiekeane]

You're asking the wrong person mate, perhaps RFC could answer that one for you..... btw do you think the likes of Rooney Pogba, Ibrahimovic are worth £300k pw? Coz I don't!

Yes they are. Pretty sure I saw a paper on Rooney actually being underpaid at the beginning of his contract because it was less than his MRP

 

[Chipfat]

You can't blame the players for contracts put in front of them and I don't begrudge the money they get paid. It's not driven by them, they are just a part of the process.

The power figures are the ones that are hurting the game the likes of the FA and FL are the ones you should look at. They have the power to stop poor ownership and poor agents who drive transfers and fees. But let's face it while they are as bent as those they are suppose to govern then how can they step in and control the uncontrollable, its too late.

Bad owners have taken the game away from fans and even cities, they have nobody to answer too just told to pay the players wages by keeping a business afloat to fulfill fixtures, no more, no less.

The only slight I put on players is the desires of why they want to be players. They want fame, fortune and the lifestlye 1st. Not dreams of Wembley finals, caps or extending a career by looking after themselves off the field. They fall into the agents dreams and an owners greed in a selling prices, it's reality I suppose no matter how much it's goes away from the normal fan the pattern will continue.


As for the takeover, nothing doing Rumpo, which could be good, bad or indifferent news depending on what side your cock falls.

 

[Brylowes]

I don't agree with the wages today, in fact I think it's abhorrent, football is a worldwide sport
With it's roots firmly planted in the working classes.
Because of its world wide appeal and popularity, the money sloshing around the game is
Unavoidable but with proper governance there's so much football could achieve.
The footballers themselves could still earn money "beyond most people's wildest dreams"
Whilst at the same time helping to fight against poverty, hunger and general social deprivation.
ATM the money just disappears into either players bank accounts or morally bankrupt and
"More often than not" corrupt officials.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Don't let the thread die. Talk about anything.

 

[ccfc92]

Don't let the thread die. Talk about anything.

What's a hypotenuse?

 

[Brylowes]

What's a hypotenuse?

Is it a fast shape with sides.

 

[Monners]

What's a hypotenuse?

Now you're just being obstuse