Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (35 Viewers)

[torchomatic]

Was he talking about a couple who effectively have lost their child, besides RBS attitude to fellow fans is no different to the attitude the other way.

Not sure what the first part of your sentence is supposed to mean. Disagree with the second part. Can't recall anyone calling anyone anything similar to SCAB for NOT going to Sixfields. If I'm wrong then I'm sure you'll link me to posts where that happened. I can apologise to you then.

 

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[Irish Sky Blue]

I have always taken the view not to judge my fellow fans whether that is attending Sixfields, NOPM or starving the club of income by not renewing their ST until SISU have gone. I realise others are quicker to judge and pigeonhole. Fair enough.

It was a genuine question. I agree with the answers to all of the three questions you set. Where we differ I suspect would be in the reasons for number three. I wish that CCC had not sold the Ricoh to Wasps as that really is, as we would both agree, the hammer blow to our future. However I can understand why they did it when having to deal with a company like Sisu.
I knew people who went into Sixfields and I wouldn't criticise them as I am not criticising you. It is obvious from your posts that you love our club as much as anyone and like myself and virtually evreryone on here, would never do anything to harm CCFC. It is just interesting therefore to look as to the reasons, considering we both agree that the move was wrong, as to why we came to different conclusions as to the right thing to do. When the move was announced I was very tempted to just go and watch my team as I had always done. It was only really when listening to my sons and the views oF others that I made the decision not to go. I really hoped there would be a total boycott. I also feel that if no one had gone Sisu's plan would have collapsed sooner. I suppose my view is, and again this is not a criticism as I understand the pull of supporting our team, that those that did go in were (unintentionally) supporting Sisu in what they were trying to do.

 

[hill83]

I called a season ticket a 'Treason ticket' last season for a laugh.

 

[Nick]

I called a season ticket a 'Treason ticket' last season for a laugh.

 

[Nick]

When the move was announced I was very tempted to just go and watch my team as I had always done. It was only really when listening to my sons and the views oF others that I made the decision not to go.

That's the difference.

Why would somebody else's view stop me from watching the team I support play? The same as it wouldn't if Wasps bought us at midday or Hoffman and Elliott did.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes it was temporary. I also believed that it would be temporary. And it proved to be temporary.
Some people didn't believe that it would be and who can blame them with the rest of the bollocks we've been told.

Can you grasp that?

My own personal problem wasn't that wether it was temporary or not it was the fact that it was unnecessary and avoidable and the fact is that TF and SISU put every effort into making sure we left the Ricoh and zilch, nada, nothing, nowt into finding a solution for us to stay. For one very simple reason, as already pointed out it wasn't done in CCFC's best interests it was done in SISU's best interest (although ultimately that didn't work out) and therefore was a piss take out of the club and it's supporters and I'm sorry to say that IMO is truer of those who attended. SISU took us all for mugs and sorry but if you attended you let them make one out of you.

 

[Brylowes]

All the questions below have the same answer. "No".

Should SISU have withheld rent?
Should Fisher have moved us to Northampton?
Did CCC need to hand the Ricoh to Wasps?

The only one that could possibly be "yes" is the question concerning withholding rent,
This was a good move to break the rent agreement, and could have been done while
Still playing at the Ricoh.
The move to Northampton was all about trying to force ACL out of business and picking
It up for peanuts, the move to Northampton was so spectacularly wrong on so many
Levels it's untrue. Broke crucial ties with the Ricoh, split and alienated an already stressed
And suspicious fanbase, and worst of alll opened the door for wasps to move in and
Probably extinguish any hope we had left for our football club.

 

[Joy Division]

Anyway, have we been taken over yet or what?

Something will definitely be happening on April 31st.

 

[covcity4life]

Yes it was temporary. I also believed that it would be temporary. And it proved to be temporary.
Some people didn't believe that it would be and who can blame them with the rest of the bollocks we've been told.

Can you grasp that?

exactly.

dont tell me any sane fan thought oh its ok we will be back within 3 years. 5 at the most!

we had no idea if we were coming back or not.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

It was temporary. Every agreement and arrangement was temporary.

Thats even without using hindsight.

Can people really not grasp that?

If you believe Fisher and Seppala they were never coming back to the Ricoh. They were never coming back to Coventry. On what grounds was that not permenant? You can say why believe those people. What other criteria did supporters have to go on? I genuinely believed that their act of brinkmanship would end before the first home game of that season. When it didn't it became clear they were actually going ahead with there mad cap scheme. It is only over time and the collapse of the totally bogus stadium committee (what a scummy idea that was to, entice genuine supporters onto a group to discuss plans for a stadium that they knew would never exist), and the repeated delays on Tim's new site that it became totally clear that they were lying toads. When the move first happened, what could people do but take them at their word?

 

[covcity4life]

That's the difference.

Why would somebody else's view stop me from watching the team I support play? The same as it wouldn't if Wasps bought us at midday or Hoffman and Elliott did.

hes not saying that. he said he listened to others and then changed his opinion and then decided not to go.

hes not like a trump supporter who no matter silly shit he does they still decided to vote for him in usa elections for e,g

 

[Nick]

If you believe Fisher and Seppala they were never coming back to the Ricoh. They were never coming back to Coventry. On what grounds was that not permenant? You can say why believe those people. What other criteria did supporters have to go on? I genuinely believed that their act of brinkmanship would end before the first home game of that season. When it didn't it became clear they were actually going ahead with there mad cap scheme. It is only over time and the collapse of the totally bogus stadium committee (what a scummy idea that was to, entice genuine supporters onto a group to discuss plans for a stadium that they knew would never exist), and the repeated delays on Tim's new site that it became totally clear that they were lying toads. When the move first happened, what could people do but take them at their word?

I believed what the arrangement was, which was temporary.

I'd then have judged the situation if that arrangement changed once that happened. If it then became permanent or they moved to Rushden as permanent then I would cease to go.

It was a temporary arrangement, ie it was different to when Wasps moved here which has never been called temporary.

 

[torchomatic]

It was a genuine question. I agree with the answers to all of the three questions you set. Where we differ I suspect would be in the reasons for number three. I wish that CCC had not sold the Ricoh to Wasps as that really is, as we would both agree, the hammer blow to our future. However I can understand why they did it when having to deal with a company like Sisu.
I knew people who went into Sixfields and I wouldn't criticise them as I am not criticising you. It is obvious from your posts that you love our club as much as anyone and like myself and virtually evreryone on here, would never do anything to harm CCFC. It is just interesting therefore to look as to the reasons, considering we both agree that the move was wrong, as to why we came to different conclusions as to the right thing to do. When the move was announced I was very tempted to just go and watch my team as I had always done. It was only really when listening to my sons and the views oF others that I made the decision not to go. I really hoped there would be a total boycott. I also feel that if no one had gone Sisu's plan would have collapsed sooner. I suppose my view is, and again this is not a criticism as I understand the pull of supporting our team, that those that did go in were (unintentionally) supporting Sisu in what they were trying to do.

We just disagree on one point then. There was no need to sell out to Wasps. Sisu won't be here forever but thanks to that one decision Wasps will.

Lucas said a club should not be ripped from its community yet she forgot that in an instant it seems. They also told us if you recall the stadium didn't need CCFC or an anchor tenant and was doing quite nicely without them.

No, SISU should never have taken us to Northampton, but if CCC had had a little more foresight they would have held their resolve and either done a deal with the football club or waited until another buyer came along. After all CCFC would have been a lot more attractive with the chance to buy into the Ricoh - proved by Wasps moving 90 miles. But no, decisions by SISU and then compounded by CCC have condemned the club to an uncertain future.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Your memory is not what it used to be

My memory is fine thank you very much.
Just that like most on here I can forget things when I need to, and change my mind of I feel like doing so.

Any way what the he'll is going on have we started the footings for the new Butts stand then.

 

[hill83]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind as things develop. It's the people that refuse to adapt that you need to watch out for.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind as things develop. It's the people that refuse to adapt that you need to watch out for.

That's what a shape shifting lizard would say. Suspicions confirmed.

 

[hill83]

That's what a shape shifting lizard would say. Suspicions confirmed.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Somehow I knew you'd be searching giphy for lizard

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

That's the difference.

Why would somebody else's view stop me from watching the team I support play? The same as it wouldn't if Wasps bought us at midday or Hoffman and Elliott did.

I didn't say it should. I was just asking how someone else who loves and supports the club in the way that I do came to a different conclusion.

 

[cloughie]

Why would you care anyway?

If you lived in Northampton and CCFC rolled into town you'd support them and wouldn't give a fuck about CCFC fans left stranded with no team to support.

Being lectured by you on franchising is like turning up to a lecture on Good Childcare Tips and find its being presented by the McCanns.

You are sick As I have said before you need help

 

[hill83]

Somehow I knew you'd be searching giphy for lizard

 

[Hobo]

It's fact it was temporary.

Still, let's not let that get in the way of anything with a scab bash.

I haven't mentioned it, but you obviously want to keep it going.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I have a scab on my knee because when I was pissed I found a broken trampoline in the street and tried to jump over an old washing machine but stacked it. Am I a sisu lover or a council stooge?

 

[Captain Dart]

Can someone summerise what's supposedly going on today please ,
Thanks

General Election announced.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

We just disagree on one point then. There was no need to sell out to Wasps. Sisu won't be here forever but thanks to that one decision Wasps will.

Lucas said a club should not be ripped from its community yet she forgot that in an instant it seems. They also told us if you recall the stadium didn't need CCFC or an anchor tenant and was doing quite nicely without them.

No, SISU should never have taken us to Northampton, but if CCC had had a little more foresight they would have held their resolve and either done a deal with the football club or waited until another buyer came along. After all CCFC would have been a lot more attractive with the chance to buy into the Ricoh - proved by Wasps moving 90 miles. But no, decisions by SISU and then compounded by CCC have condemned the club to an uncertain future.

I agree with most of this. It does seem that ACL were on the way out and that obviously CCC have a duty of care for the whole City not just CCFC. It is worth noting that even the Tory opposition voted for the sale to Wasps.Could ACL have hung on indefinitely? It doesn't seem they could. Should Sisu have been allowed to be benificiaries of what we both agree were wrong and underhand tactics, basically having taken CCFC out of the City and effectively holding it to ransom? That is really the sticking point as no I don't think they should.As Sisu have consistently shown a disregard to the well being of CCFC, how do we know that them owning the Ricoh would have solved the problems of the club?
What about your argument for going into Sixfields?

 

[Moff]

exactly.

dont tell me any sane fan thought oh its ok we will be back within 3 years. 5 at the most!

we had no idea if we were coming back or not.

Apart from the football league stating the club had to give assurances that they would return back to the city within the set timescale.
They are the ones who can remove the Golden share so I would take it you wouldn't lie and risk losing your league place.

 

[covcity4life]

Apart from the football league stating the club had to give assurances that they would return back to the city within the set timescale.
They are the ones who can remove the Golden share so I would take it you wouldn't lie and risk losing your league place.

let down by the football league is sang around grounds for a reason. they dont tend to show much backbone to poor owners. i doubt many had faith in them

 

[Brylowes]

Being lectured by you on franchising is like turning up to a lecture on Good Childcare Tips and find its being presented by the McCanns.

WTF. Really

 

[Moff]

let down by the football league is sang around grounds for a reason. they dont tend to show much backbone to poor owners. i doubt many had faith in them

True but they still hold the ace that they can remove the golden share.
At the end of the day the club were given a timescale and returned, which is what we all wanted.

Personally I never attended sixfields and I have no problem with those that did and those that didn't. People who get so wound up about it need to get a reality check about things in life that really are important rather than constantly bringing up the past.

We are all looking to safeguard the clubs future aren't we or shall we just constantly gripe about the past?

(That's not aimed at you cc4l just a thought in general)

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Apart from the football league stating the club had to give assurances that they would return back to the city within the set timescale.
They are the ones who can remove the Golden share so I would take it you wouldn't lie and risk losing your league place.

They are doing a fucking great job without having to lie..... (This is NOT a attack on your post btw)

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Trust Theresa May to piss on our chips.

 

[Moff]

They are doing a fucking great job without having to lie..... (This is NOT a attack on your post btw)

It's a fair point and I know it wasn't an attack on my post

I was just thinking back to when they took over our North Midland rivals were teams like Forest and Derby, now it will be Lincoln. They are Utter pricks.

 

[Liquid Gold]

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

When is the news breaking Italia?

We're all waiting now.

 

[Liquid Gold]

#BanItaliaifnothinghappens