Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (15 Viewers)

[Nick]

who are these people you keep referring to, as this board is not a fair representation of ccfc fans or residents of Coventry and beyond ?

The majority of the city residents neither go to games or read the the paper.

If you are referring to the 2k or so who have season tickets, then they have committed to supporting the cub for another year
If you are talking about walk ups, well, maybe just maybe, they might be affected and will either hold off for news, or for people like me, still go to games, hopefully this mess with end one day
If your talking about fans who have walked away, surely this may give them hope better days are to come

In general I guess, how many people see the dream being put out and wonder what's behind it? Does nobody see Italia leaking info and wondering what the score with that is?

Yes, wrong quite a lot being cynical but then also right to be cynical a lot too.

 

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[Sky Blue Kid]

You know I was referring to your use of "was" instead of "were" though right? Rather than your massive word

 

[ccfcway]

In general I guess, how many people see the dream being put out and wonder what's behind it? .

Well, with 1,500 on here, 7,000 going to games next season and 20,000 circulation from the CT, out of a city with 300,000, I would suggest the answer to your question is....

.........very little

 

[Nick]

Well, with 1,500 on here, 7,000 going to games next season and 20,000 circulation from the CT, out of a city with 300,000, I would suggest the answer to your question is....

.........very little

Which was my point.

 

[ccfcway]

Which was my point.

so why get upset ?

 

[Nick]

so why get upset ?

Nobody is upset, I was wondering if anybody else had that thought process.

 

[ccfcway]

Nobody is upset, I was wondering if anybody else had that thought process.

very few, as less than 0.5% of the coventry population are likely to have exposure of it. The PR battle is talking to fewer and fewer people the weeks / months / years go on...

 

[Nick]

very few, as less than 0.5% of the coventry population are likely to have exposure of it. The PR battle is talking to fewer and fewer people the weeks / months / years go on...

More than 0.5% of Coventry's population have read this thread alone...

 

[skybluetony176]

What happened to your angry boycott of Wasps you tried to push that time? It's about the same time I said there was a massive thing about to happen because of the way PR was building up to stuff, the way announcements were being drip fed.

Do people really just see the "invest in players, fans on the board stuff" and not think "that sounds amazing, I hope it happens but why now? whats the reason behind the statement?" or do they go off onto a day dream of happiness?

People get all uptight and shout conspiracy when patterns or things that just happen to be co-incidence get pointed out. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want loads of money given to CCFC to buy players and winning leagues and the dream, it just means I am going to hold my horses before getting excited about it and try and figure it all out.

Still boycotting Wasps personally and would encourage people to do the same. Never said anything different so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

 

[Nick]

Still boycotting Wasps personally and would encourage people to do the same. Never said anything different so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

It was in reply to you mentioning them...

 

[skybluetony176]

If it results in a deal not to our advantage, that would be a bad thing.

It would. But that wasn't Zacks concern. His concern was that it might benefit Wasps. He didn't comment on whether it was or would be a good deal for the club or not. Being good for the club seems to be an irrelevance to Zack so long as it's not good for Wasps.

 

[skybluetony176]

It was in reply to you mentioning them...

I didn't mention them. Zack did.

 

[Nick]

I didn't mention them. Zack did.

You put about not worrying about them, I quoted your post that you typed that contained Wasps and pointed out something relevant you posted about Wasps.

I wasn't just bringing it up randomly.

 

[skybluetony176]

You put about not worrying about them, I quoted your post that you typed that contained Wasps and pointed out something relevant you posted about Wasps.

I wasn't just bringing it up randomly.

And the context in which I said that was?

Playing games again Nick.

 

[Nick]

And the context in which I said that was?

Playing games again Nick.

The context that if you mention wasps you aren't bothered about ccfc, hence I mentioned your thread dedicated to wasps.

I replied to the context meant by the post.

 

[shmmeee]

The sexual tension in this thread is electric.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

My concern is that a deal beneficial for wasps will not be to the benefit of ccfc. Not hard to understand really.

 

[Astute]

My concern is that a deal beneficial for wasps will not be to the benefit of ccfc. Not hard to understand really.

So CCFC having somewhere to play in 12 months time isn't of any benefit to CCFC?

 

[skybluetony176]

The context that if you mention wasps you aren't bothered about ccfc, hence I mentioned your thread dedicated to wasps.

I replied to the context meant by the post.

It really wasn't. Read my reply to NW if you're struggling, which you clearly are. Also still doesn't explain why you brought up me calling for a boycott like I've changed my mind. Which I clearly haven't.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

My concern is that a deal beneficial for wasps will not be to the benefit of ccfc. Not hard to understand really.

If our club is to rebuild we need to a serious input of building bridges with all the stakeholders in the City. We desperately need a pragmatic approach to a new business plan, as the current one fails year on year! That invariable will mean positive outcomes for any partner that CCFC links with...beit Wasps or Coventry Rugby Club, etc....Why should another club subsidise CCFC? Surely, we wouldn't divert CCFC money to another club if we owned the Ricoh?

 

[skybluebeduff]

My concern is that a deal beneficial for wasps will not be to the benefit of ccfc. Not hard to understand really.

We're homeless in less than 12 months, any deal right now would be beneficial to CCFC, it's future, and it's supporters, god knows what you're thinking...!!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why should another club subsidise CCFC?

The danger of course is that CCFC subsidise Wasps.

Much as with ACL and CCFC, it's pretty hard to come to a mutually agreeable option, when the two 'sides' needs and aims are rather different.

Not impossible... but certainly not simple and easy.

 

[skybluetony176]

The danger of course is that CCFC subsidise Wasps.

Much as with ACL and CCFC, it's pretty hard to come to a mutually agreeable option, when the two 'sides' needs and aims are rather different.

Not impossible... but certainly not simple and easy.

We're already subsidising Wasps to a degree. We pay them rent and they earn a share of the match day revenue. Nothing is going to change in reality there other than maybe the amounts.

You could also argue that SISU's failed tenure and directions they took the club subsidies Wasps purchase of ACL and the eroding of our fan base under SISU's failed tenure has probably also subsidised Wasps fan base.

 

[skybluetony176]

If our club is to rebuild we need to a serious input of building bridges with all the stakeholders in the City. We desperately need a pragmatic approach to a new business plan, as the current one fails year on year! That invariable will mean positive outcomes for any partner that CCFC links with...beit Wasps or Coventry Rugby Club, etc....Why should another club subsidise CCFC? Surely, we wouldn't divert CCFC money to another club if we owned the Ricoh?

Even Tims preferred option is on the record of saying that they won't deal with SISU. Until some bridges are built it's hard to see what is happening with the club beyond the end of next season.

SISU either need to start building bridges in good faith or do one and let someone else do it who has the best interests of the club at the forefront.

 

[Brylowes]

Even Tims preferred option is on the record of saying that they won't deal with SISU. Until some bridges are built it's hard to see what is happening with the club beyond the end of next season.

SISU either need to start building bridges in good faith or do one and let someone else do it who has the best interests of the club at the forefront.

I wouldn't trust him/ them to build a head of steam, let alone a bridge, and don't get
Me started on a stadium.

 

[italiahorse]

The danger of course is that CCFC subsidise Wasps.

Much as with ACL and CCFC, it's pretty hard to come to a mutually agreeable option, when the two 'sides' needs and aims are rather different.

Not impossible... but certainly not simple and easy.

Ccfc at the Ricoh will add to Wasps incomes.
A long term deal will increase those incomes.
The art is to negotiate a deal that takes advantage of that.
Not going to happen while the legal nonsense goes on though.
Bet your life though that Hoffman and co have that side all tied up ready. .

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Bet your life though that Hoffman and co have that side all tied up ready. .

Your source will ruin any deal, given Hoffman's desire for privacy to negotiate away from the glar of publicity.

 

[Brylowes]

Your source will ruin any deal, given Hoffman's desire for privacy to negotiate away from the glar of publicity.

That's the thing though NW, unless I've missed something there has been no negotiation
At all, just offers made, followed by buckets of scorn.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Getting support from the wider footballing community is only good.

I'm glad our story is of national interest to some, I'd rather have people discussing it than to be so irrelevant now that nobody cares enough to discuss it.

As for what good it is going to do, I don't know exactly? Perhaps with our stories and other clubs tales of hardship being told maybe it kicks the FL into action and gets them to look properly into fit and proper owners and changing the rules on ownership in this country to protect football clubs long term future.

Just an example there of what could possibly happen from highlighting unfit owners on a national stage.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Your source will ruin any deal, given Hoffman's desire for privacy to negotiate away from the glar of publicity.

It's not rocket science......any deal to have access to a ground so we continue to exist will mean a profit margin for our landlords, but it also means there is potential to realise some return from a percentage of match day revenues.
Its a case of not existing and no revenues verses a small percentage of something. Unless of course our industrious owners magic us a new stadium?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That's the thing though NW, unless I've missed something there has been no negotiation
At all, just offers made, followed by buckets of scorn.

...and all played out in a semi-public arena of innuendo and chinese whispers.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

...and all played out in a semi-public arena of innuendo and chinese whispers.

Chiness

 

[Astute]

...and all played out in a semi-public arena of innuendo and chinese whispers.

But wasn't it Joy who took the bids public and now seems she won't negotiate in private or even name a price?

I agree she doesn't have to sell. But for the sake of what is left of our football club I hope she does. All she has to do is name a price. I just have a feeling that she isn't interested yet and will wait at least until we see how this season goes. After all players are coming in early and we are not worth much being in Division 4 and hardly anything of any value attached to our club.

 

[Ccfcjml71]

Takeover won't happen with Hoffman, the fact they are going public demonstrates they are getting nowhere with Sisu. Any takeover will have to be someone else, I fear....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But wasn't it Joy who took the bids public and now seems she won't negotiate in private or even name a price?

All started on here and other social media...

It's been more a case of who *hasn't* been given a snippet of info from somebody or other!