SHUNT31
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How do you work that out? New stadium would cost north of £100m in the current economic climate. Not going to cost that to build a couple of partition walls and maybe alter some of the groundwork outside.
Some of the suggestions on here would make a new stadium a better option. I understand there’s some space available at Warwick UnI.
A good point and of course you know that the reference to Warwick was tongue in cheek. Mind you, SISU had identified several options. Alledgedly.At this point we’d have to go bigger than the CBS to be viable and that’s probably not viable at Warwick. More likely to expand the CBS.
I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but we don’t own the stadium. My post was really in response to those who basically think we should turn the stadium round. Minimal investment in safe standing in the existing Singers Corner and, if we have to, the away section is fine. Any more than that is money that could be better spent on the team.
How do you work that out? New stadium would cost north of £100m in the current economic climate. Not going to cost that to build a couple of partition walls and maybe alter some of the groundwork outside.
Do we know the cost falls on us or stadium?I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but we don’t own the stadium. My post was really in response to those who basically think we should turn the stadium round. Minimal investment in safe standing in the existing Singers Corner and, if we have to, the away section is fine. Any more than that is money that could be better spent on the team.
I wasn't using it in the way you imply, and in no way was I suggesting that the club shouldn't have invested in seating because clearly it was obligatory.The alternative was no football club. Seating wasn’t an option, safe standing is and so using the cost of the former to justify the costs of the latter isn’t reasonable.
The current set up doesn’t work though does it? It’s very short sighted to say leave it how it is but currently, we have 3000 seats that can’t be sold.I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but we don’t own the stadium. My post was really in response to those who basically think we should turn the stadium round. Minimal investment in safe standing in the existing Singers Corner and, if we have to, the away section is fine. Any more than that is money that could be better spent on the team.
But I thought the major issue in the South stand was lack of segregation in the concourse, because that particular problem would be worse if it Was moved to 23 - 27 on account of having home fans on both sides.Not if they sort the health and safety issues that are currently an issue in the South Stand.
Exactly.But I thought the major issue in the South stand was lack of segregation in the concourse, because that particular problem would be worse if it Was moved to 23 - 27 on account of having home fans on both sides.
Supporters groups only represent their own members. Who represents the majority of fans who are not in a supporters group?
I have been a supporter since 1970 and a season ticket holder for at least 35 of those years. Who represents people like me?
If the stadium is reconfigured it will affect most of us. I currently accompany a wheelchair bound supporter from car park A to block 21. We have already switched from car parks C and B because access that side is too difficult. Changes are certain to affect this again.
As it happens I well remember standing in the 70s and 80s. Most of those who remember standing do not want to do it again.
I was also at the Leppings lane fence in the near miss in 1987. I had many good and bad experiences standing.
The fact is safe standing should, perhaps, have been done from the start but it wasn't so to change it back is costly.
All I'm asking for is proper consultation with all interested parties. Also the costs be fully outlined. It is not unreasonable for all fans to be asked if we all end up paying more or facing upheaval.
The club has a very poor record on this stuff and it looks like this will be another poorly executed change.
But I thought the major issue in the South stand was lack of segregation in the concourse, because that particular problem would be worse if it Was moved to 23 - 27 on account of having home fans on both sides.
That’s just a lie the safety boffins tell us.
Against Gillingham in 2014 there seemed to be no issue with concourse segregation
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When you look at the tragedy unfolding on TV you can clearly see the central pens are packed to bursting but the side pens are half empty.I also was in the Leppings Lane End in 87 with Brother and friend, as soon as we walked through that tunnel and onto the terrace we could see it was a death trap, so decided to move to another terrace high up in the corner.
If we could see it, WHY couldn't heath and safety see it.
But having said that, probably didn't expect the police to open the gates and let the Liverpool fans flood in.
But I thought the major issue in the South stand was lack of segregation in the concourse, because that particular problem would be worse if it Was moved to 23 - 27 on account of having home fans on both sides.
I find it interesting that in one thread people have been saying that ticketing revenue (and hence ticket prices) aren’t all that important in the PL and yet on this thread the worry is about revenue from 3,000 seats that can’t be used (say £120k per year at ST prices vs £100m PL money). All whilst 5,000 tickets that could be sold aren’t being sold.
I think the position of the club shop is pretty stupid but it’s a bit of a leap to suggest that it was put there because moving the away end was a consideration.
Can definitely be done as shown against Crewe and Gillingham, club need to address the issue. What would we have done had we been promoted? Still leave 3k empty seats in the 'Away end'? I doubt it.
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That’s just a lie the safety boffins tell us.
Against Gillingham in 2014 there seemed to be no issue with concourse segregation
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Its one block different than the Boro game. City fans are in block 10 in this pictureThat's the exact set up we had for Middlesbrough but it's still way too much segregation. No PL side would have that much.
The Gillingham massive don’t look all that intimidating do they, and from other threads it sounded as if requirements have changed since then.That’s just a lie the safety boffins tell us.
Against Gillingham in 2014 there seemed to be no issue with concourse segregation
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Great, the PL can take on SAG for us then.It's just just the revenue. It's absolutely unheard of to have 3000 empty seats in the Premier League.
Might sound crazy, but the PL themselves wouldn't have it. There's no empty seats on TV anywhere in the division.
Isn't the next supporters group meeting going to include a visit to the away end and concourse to explain the problems. Someone needs to print these photos out and take them along. Need a credible explanation of why it can't happen now.Can definitely be done as shown against Crewe and Gillingham, club need to address the issue. What would we have done had we been promoted? Still leave 3k empty seats in the 'Away end'? I doubt it.
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They are consulting on safe standing in Singers Corner.Possibly.
But that's the original point. If the club are required to spend money on sorting segregation, they are looking at alternative options for a long term plan.
There’s still a lot of available seats which are not being sold.Isn't the next supporters group meeting going to include a visit to the away end and concourse to explain the problems. Someone needs to print these photos out and take them along. Need a credible explanation of why it can't happen now.
We're not at a point where the ground is half empty and it doesn't really matter anymore.
I remember celebrating the 3rd goal near the top of the terrace and genuinely being near to the fence when it calmed down. A year or was it two later I realised the horrible reality of that dayI also was in the Leppings Lane End in 87 with Brother and friend, as soon as we walked through that tunnel and onto the terrace we could see it was a death trap, so decided to move to another terrace high up in the corner.
If we could see it, WHY couldn't heath and safety see it.
But having said that, probably didn't expect the police to open the gates and let the Liverpool fans flood in.
I remember celebrating the 3rd goal near the top of the terrace and genuinely being near to the fence when it calmed down. A year or was it two later I realised the horrible reality of that day
Seeing the picture put up by nigfatronssba, I was wondering if that segregation was possible because of the small number of fans they'd brought and so there would be sufficient exits/toilets etc/ for the number of people.Can definitely be done as shown against Crewe and Gillingham, club need to address the issue. What would we have done had we been promoted? Still leave 3k empty seats in the 'Away end'? I doubt it.
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Your calculation is surely way out, but I still get your point.on this thread the worry is about revenue from 3,000 seats that can’t be used (say £120k per year at ST prices vs £100m PL money)
Same as, I was only 15, I remember getting crushed but moved into a segregation pen, had to climb over to get into itI also was in the Leppings Lane End in 87 with Brother and friend, as soon as we walked through that tunnel and onto the terrace we could see it was a death trap, so decided to move to another terrace high up in the corner.
If we could see it, WHY couldn't heath and safety see it.
But having said that, probably didn't expect the police to open the gates and let the Liverpool fans flood in.
oops, it is way out - by a factor of 10. Should be more like £1.2 million, but still only about 1% of Prem revenue.Your calculation is surely way out, but I still get your point.
No shame involvedoops, it is way out - by a factor of 10. Should be more like £1.2 million, but still only about 1% of Prem revenue.
I will hang my head in shame,
I had based It on a rough ST price, but you are right that the seats probably wouldn’t be filled all season So the actual revenue would be somewhere between the two.No shame involved
It would be enough to pay the wages a of a very good player, assuming those 3000 seats were filled all season which is of course highly unlikely.
Anyway, revenue isn't my main concern - it's more the messy nature of the current arrangements in a part of the ground which could be a prime location for home fans.
I agree, but until Doug kicks this ridiculous safety group into touch ‘we’re unlikely to make any meaningful progress regarding segregation & other associated issues.That’s just a lie the safety boffins tell us.
Against Gillingham in 2014 there seemed to be no issue with concourse segregation
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Safety group is the council isn't it? Fairly sure without them we wouldn't be able to have a crowd sadlyI agree, but until Doug kicks this ridiculous safety group into touch ‘we’re unlikely to make any meaningful progress regarding segregation & other associated issues.
Where have this safety group come from ?
Who appointed them ?
Are we compelled to adhere to their advice ?
Why do they insist on treating a game like it’s 1983 when it’s actually 2023 ?
Leicester v Spurs last week had a ‘no man’s land’ that equated to 2 empty seats across with a line of stewards, which seems to be the norm at all grounds.
We insist on having entire empty blocks separating fanswhy ffs
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