MalcSB
Well-Known Member
It’s a different world now, we didn’t need woke viewer discretionary warnings that we may see scenes of violence before episodes of the likes of Midsomer Murders in those days (isn’t the clue in the programme title?)
It’s a different world now, we didn’t need woke viewer discretionary warnings that we may see scenes of violence before episodes of the likes of Midsomer Murders in those days (isn’t the clue in the programme title?)Why do they insist on treating a game like it’s 1983 when it’s actually 2023 ?
Safety group is the council isn't it? Fairly sure without them we wouldn't be able to have a crowd sadly
SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
I’m sure someone said that the council had delegated its powers to the SAG. In any event, if SAGs advice is ignored and it all goes pear shape the club wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.The council website seems to imply the SAG are responsible for if events get the go ahead:
Safety at Sports Grounds Enforcement Policy – Coventry City Council
Safety at Sports Grounds Enforcement Policywww.coventry.gov.uk
however the health and safety executive seem to take a different view
So do all clubs have an SAG ?I’m sure someone said that the council had delegated its powers to the SAG. In any event, if SAGs advice is ignored and it all goes pear shape the club wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
its seems notSo do all clubs have an SAG ?
Event organisers should determine whether there is a SAG, or similar arrangements, in the relevant area and if appropriate, submit their event proposal for discussion and advice. Attendance of the event organiser at SAG meetings may be voluntary
May apply where council haven’t delegated powers. Also, the whole guidance needs to be read to get the context and at the moment I can’t be arsed to do it. The main thing is there is a SAG in Coventry overseeing CBS and Butts Park.its seems not
So why do we ?its seems not
See aboveSo why do we ?
Because we don't sell out, if we were getting another 5k on top of now something would have to be done yes, at the moment though they can afford to have a big no-mans land between fansI agree, but until Doug kicks this ridiculous safety group into touch ‘we’re unlikely to make any meaningful progress regarding segregation & other associated issues.
Where have this safety group come from ?
Who appointed them ?
Are we compelled to adhere to their advice ?
Why do they insist on treating a game like it’s 1983 when it’s actually 2023 ?
Leicester v Spurs last week had a ‘no man’s land’ that equated to 2 empty seats across with a line of stewards, which seems to be the norm at all grounds.
We insist on having entire empty blocks separating fanswhy ffs
If they made all the seats we are actually allowed to sit in available for sale we would increase our gates imho, but even now we are averaging 25000 which is only about 1500 below capacity ‘so that argument doesn’t really stack up.Because we don't sell out, if we were getting another 5k on top of now something would have to be done yes, at the moment though they can afford to have a big no-mans land between fans
Surely if the council have delegated their powers and the people they have delegated the powers to can be shown to be clueless and enforcing conditions on us that no other club in the country has to deal with then those delegated powers should be removedMay apply where council haven’t delegated powers.
That’s not really an answer to the question tho is it.See above
Not advisory if council have delegated authority to them.Advisory group, can and should be overruled if they are using draconian opinions.
Capacity with current segregation is about 30,000 so we are about 5k of that. Stadium certainly doesn’t seem anywhere near “full” in the home arwas.If they made all the seats we are actually allowed to sit in available for sale we would increase our gates imho, but even now we are averaging 25000 which is only about 1500 below capacity ‘so that argument doesn’t really stack up.
OK, why do we have a SAG? Because the responsible authority decided that’s what they were going to have and how they were going to manage things. If you don’t like it, write to the council with a reasoned argument proposing an alternative.That’s not really an answer to the question tho is it.
Safety group is the council isn't it? Fairly sure without them we wouldn't be able to have a crowd sadly
Capacity with current segregation is about 30,000 so we are about 5k of that. Stadium certainly doesn’t seem anywhere near “full” in the home arwas.
Not advisory if council have delegated authority to them.
As I have said before, overrule or ignore them and things go pear shaped, you are in deep shit.
Not advisory if council have delegated authority to them.
As I have said before, overrule or ignore them and things go pear shaped, you are in deep shit.
OK, why do we have a SAG? Because the responsible authority decided that’s what they were going to have and how they were going to manage things. If you don’t like it, write to the council with a reasoned argument proposing an alternative.
The stadium holds just under 33k so your argument doesn't really stack up,If they made all the seats we are actually allowed to sit in available for sale we would increase our gates imho, but even now we are averaging 25000 which is only about 1500 below capacity ‘so that argument doesn’t really stack up.
When was the last time ‘just under 33k tickets were available to purchase ?The stadium holds just under 33k so your argument doesn't really stack up,
There must be very close to 4000 empty seats in the South Stand + the always empty balconyCapacity with current segregation is about 30,000 so we are about 5k of that. Stadium certainly doesn’t seem anywhere near “full” in the home arwas.
Not sure but it’s a waste, I’d love to sit up there for a game.What’s the crack with the balcony? Is that all unsold corporate?
Not sure but it’s a waste, I’d love to sit up there for a game.
We are pretty close to selling out now, an unexpected large walk up would really put them in trouble.I thought it was all being sorted during summer, issues with doors and maintenance and stuff plus the sell outs caught the club and stadium team on the hop last term.
I guess until we sell out again it’s not an issue. The SAG do seem a bit like they’re desperate to prove the need for their existence, overplaying any possible dangers etc. it’s a wonder its members aren’t still hiding behind the settee from Covid.
What’s the crack with the balcony? Is that all unsold corporate?
We are pretty close to selling out now, an unexpected large walk up would really put them in trouble.
This is the thing that undermines it all.At the very least we need some reasoning behind the decisions that stands up to basic scruitnity. Just one example but at the moment we have things like the SAG saying it's impossible to have the away fans setup in a configuration we know has been used multiple times before. It shouldn't be a case of them stating that and everyone having to accept it as fact when we can all clearly see it isn't true
Apparently it’s to do with safely leaving the stadium. Weirdly it only seems to apply to us.Why tho? The segregation is about the number of fans safely possible in the concourse I thought? Wouldn't we have that issue wherever we put them?
Apparently it’s to do with safely leaving the stadium. Weirdly it only seems to apply to us.
Yeah, it’s just bullshit.You can’t tell me a ground like St Andrews or Luton’s ground if fine but ours isn’t. It’s ridiculous.
I can assure you I’m not a SAG member, related to one, a councillor etc.I will take 'SAG member posing undercover on SBT' for £10 please.
You've been ramming this very strange agenda and watching this thread like a hawk. You've jumped on any suggestions of moving the away fans and aren't keen on safe standing either. These latest posts seem a bit too revealing. I am deeply suspicious!
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