Safe Standing (2 Viewers)

[Tommo1993]

There was a QPR fan with a rattle, was wearing a sombrero too.

Yeah, thought a fez would’ve been more fitting with his Moroccan flag.

 

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[Marty]

Imagine sitting behind that

Don't worry, it was only Jimmy Saville.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The problem is those wankers who have their phones ready for it and do it on purpose.

During the euro final there was some bloke in the bar I was in who (whilst the celebrations were ongoing after Trippier's goal) went round looking in people's glasses for something that had enough liquid in that he could throw.

 

[COV]

During the euro final there was some bloke in the bar I was in who (whilst the celebrations were ongoing after Trippier's goal) went round looking in people's glasses for something that had enough liquid in that he could throw.

Trippier?

 

[SBT]

Can honestly say I've never seen anyone filming themselves throwing beer, nor seen any videos of people throwing their own beer

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Trippier?

Luke Shaw.

 

[M&B Stand]

Depends how you do it.

I know that the capacity in the yellow wall is higher for domestic games than European ones but I think the U.K. option would be 1 for 1

did dortmund a few years back,they remove the seats and its like an old terrace. Very safe and well organised as you would expect in Germany. The capacity is governed by the amount of room in the concourse, entry/exits, toilets etc, not the actual size of terrace. We’re a bit away from that in this country sadly, hopefully in time it’ll happen

 

[pusbccfc]

The safe standing at Spurs and United for example is simply a bar attached to each row of seats. You can still sit down and see the game comfortably but it's significantly safer to stand as it stops you falling over the seat in front.

It would be a cheap and quick job to do at the Ricoh. I bet there would be Wasps fans keen on having the option to stand too.

 

[ceetee]

I like the seats at MK Dons. They have built in rails

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Imagine sitting behind that

Only if I can drink my Bovril.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The safe standing at Spurs and United for example is simply a bar attached to each row of seats. You can still sit down and see the game comfortably but it's significantly safer to stand as it stops you falling over the seat in front.

It would be a cheap and quick job to do at the Ricoh. I bet there would be Wasps fans keen on having the option to stand too.

Some of the rows are really tight for sitting in same at most grounds makes it quite uncomfortable

 

[JAM See]

Please don't shoot me...

I understand why seating only was brought in. But I honestly believe that what caused the deaths of the 96 (97) WASN'T unsafe standing.

It was fencing that prevented any spillover onto the pitch.

Appreciate that it's a touchy subject and I don't mean to offend anybody, but in my opinion, if those poor fuckers had been pushed onto the pitch, rather than into an immovable fence, the casualities would have been mitigated considerably.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Please don't shoot me...

I understand why seating only was brought in. But I honestly believe that what caused the deaths of the 96 (97) WASN'T unsafe standing.

It was fencing that prevented any spillover onto the pitch.

Appreciate that it's a touchy subject and I don't mean to offend anybody, but in my opinion, if those poor fuckers had been pushed onto the pitch, rather than into an immovable fence, the casualities would have been mitigated considerably.

Was thinking about this myself. At Hillsborough terracing in itself was not a problem, the police funneling fans into a pen that was already at capacity was.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Please don't shoot me...

I understand why seating only was brought in. But I honestly believe that what caused the deaths of the 96 (97) WASN'T unsafe standing.

It was fencing that prevented any spillover onto the pitch.

Appreciate that it's a touchy subject and I don't mean to offend anybody, but in my opinion, if those poor fuckers had been pushed onto the pitch, rather than into an immovable fence, the casualities would have been mitigated considerably.

I think that’s a fairly common opinion held by a lot of people that go to football matches now.

Going to all the lower league grounds with terraces presented no dangers at all.

 

[SkyblueDad]

If safe standing comes in here I’d think it would be behind the goal opposite the away fans blocks 30 to 34 and at the back, definitely won’t be anywhere near blocks 14/15/16 might create another singers end.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Please don't shoot me...

I understand why seating only was brought in. But I honestly believe that what caused the deaths of the 96 (97) WASN'T unsafe standing.

It was fencing that prevented any spillover onto the pitch.

Appreciate that it's a touchy subject and I don't mean to offend anybody, but in my opinion, if those poor fuckers had been pushed onto the pitch, rather than into an immovable fence, the casualities would have been mitigated considerably.

It was a culmination of perimeter fencing which left no escape route and police squeezing a quart into a pint pot, happened for years and especially at the Hillsborough Leppings Lane end an accident waiting to happen if ever there was one.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Please don't shoot me...

I understand why seating only was brought in. But I honestly believe that what caused the deaths of the 96 (97) WASN'T unsafe standing.

It was fencing that prevented any spillover onto the pitch.

Appreciate that it's a touchy subject and I don't mean to offend anybody, but in my opinion, if those poor fuckers had been pushed onto the pitch, rather than into an immovable fence, the casualities would have been mitigated considerably.

You're probably right. Had that fencing not existed fans could have got away more easily, although undoubtedly the police pitchside would have been pushing them back thinking it was a pitch invasion.

But the terracing did create that situation in the first place because there was no designated space for each fan and far too many got forced into one particular area.

I've never understood why the authorities have been so against standing for so long. Why is standing in itself deemed dangerous? If everyone is given a particular spot to stand in and there are sufficient means of escape should anything bad happen then what's the problem.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You're probably right. Had that fencing not existed fans could have got away more easily, although undoubtedly the police pitchside would have been pushing them back thinking it was a pitch invasion.

But the terracing did create that situation in the first place because there was no designated space for each fan and far too many got forced into one particular area.

I've never understood why the authorities have been so against standing for so long. Why is standing in itself deemed dangerous? If everyone is given a particular spot to stand in and there are sufficient means of escape should anything bad happen then what's the problem.

A crush situation could happen with seated areas as well so it isn't unique to terracing

 

[SkyblueDad]

I've never understood why the authorities have been so against standing for so long. Why is standing in itself deemed dangerous? If everyone is given a particular spot to stand in and there are sufficient means of escape should anything bad happen then what's the problem.
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I think it was as much about identifying trouble makers and incidents as anything. In packed crowds arseholes just melt away and hard to find but thats more difficult in a seat and with help of modern day cctv I think major issues trouble etc incident the grounds have almost been eradicated they are certainly isolated.

 

[Kneeza]

14-16 is always standing, particularly towards the back.

Join us

I get the sentiment, but I don't like standing in seating areas. It just doesn't feel safe for one thing, and if you had knees like mine you probably wouldn't consider it an option.
I really need to find somewhere to prop myself, and a low seat back is just a major unbalancing hazard for me.
Hey, I'm old and fucked up, but thanks for the invite nonetheless

 

[Liquid Gold]

I get the sentiment, but I don't like standing in seating areas. It just doesn't feel safe for one thing, and if you had knees like mine you probably wouldn't consider it an option.
I really need to find somewhere to prop myself, and a low seat back is just a major unbalancing hazard for me.
Hey, I'm old and fucked up, but thanks for the invite nonetheless

Go for the back row and lean against the wall

 

[Kneeza]

Go for the back row and lean against the wall

Hadn't thought about it. I imagine it's a popular spot?
BTW, for clarity, my knees aren't painful, they're just bereft of cartilage and liable to fold up at any unknown time/movement, so I just need a bit of a safety net (preferably in front mind you... awkward fucker eh? ).

 

[COV]

Hadn't thought about it. I imagine it's a popular spot?
BTW, for clarity, my knees aren't painful, they're just bereft of cartilage and liable to fold up at any unknown time/movement, so I just need a bit of a safety net (preferably in front mind you... awkward fucker eh? ).

an apt username then

 

[chiefdave]

I've never understood why the authorities have been so against standing for so long. Why is standing in itself deemed dangerous? If everyone is given a particular spot to stand in and there are sufficient means of escape should anything bad happen then what's the problem.

As with other things its only seemed to be an issue when it was football fans. Don't recall the government ever suggesting the likes of Glastonbury or Reading Fest should be all seater for safety reasons.

Hope this gets implemented at most grounds. If only because it will mean that people who want, or need, to sit won't have the problem of everyone being stood up around them.

 

[ceetee]

As with other things its only seemed to be an issue when it was football fans. Don't recall the government ever suggesting the likes of Glastonbury or Reading Fest should be all seater for safety reasons.

Hope this gets implemented at most grounds. If only because it will mean that people who want, or need, to sit won't have the problem of everyone being stood up around them.

Exactly and then perhaps the Jack-in -the -box who prevented me from seeing both goals against Forest will go somewhere else

 

[pusbccfc]

If safe standing comes in here I’d think it would be behind the goal opposite the away fans blocks 30 to 34 and at the back, definitely won’t be anywhere near blocks 14/15/16 might create another singers end.

Why? Man United, Celtic and Bristol City have their safe standing seconds corners. Spurs have safe standing in their away end which is in the corner.

Should Wasps consider doing it, I'm sure the corner (s) would be worthwhile spots as it's their least populated area during their games and their cheapest seats. Behind the goal or on the side are more premium areas.

 

[Kneeza]

an apt username then

Yeah. Abbreviated though. Kneezaknackered is just too long...

 

[Reppz]

You're probably right. Had that fencing not existed fans could have got away more easily, although undoubtedly the police pitchside would have been pushing them back thinking it was a pitch invasion.

But the terracing did create that situation in the first place because there was no designated space for each fan and far too many got forced into one particular area.

I've never understood why the authorities have been so against standing for so long. Why is standing in itself deemed dangerous? If everyone is given a particular spot to stand in and there are sufficient means of escape should anything bad happen then what's the problem.

The tragedy was due to a lack of police control and fencing around the pitch meaning there was no escape.

Just imagine if all those fans had been ushered into a seated area of the same size? It would have been 5 times worse.

The abolition of the standing terrace was a knee-jerk reaction by the government in the wake of the disaster. Simply removing pitch-side fences and ensuring clubs operate with adequate crowd control would have prevented the disaster from happening again.

Personally I’m not too bothered about whether clubs adopt rail seating. Myself and thousands of others across the country stand at every game anyway so it makes very little difference whether Or not I have a little bar in front of me.

There is absolutely no reason why, in 2021, we can’t have a return to a safely-managed proper standing terrace. Germany and other European countries manage it just fine.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The tragedy was due to a lack of police control and fencing around the pitch meaning there was no escape.

Just imagine if all those fans had been ushered into a seated area of the same size? It would have been 5 times worse.

The abolition of the standing terrace was a knee-jerk reaction by the government in the wake of the disaster. Simply removing pitch-side fences and ensuring clubs operate with adequate crowd control would have prevented the disaster from happening again.

Personally I’m not too bothered about whether clubs adopt rail seating. Myself and thousands of others across the country stand at every game anyway so it makes very little difference whether Or not I have a little bar in front of me.

There is absolutely no reason why, in 2021, we can’t have a return to a safely-managed proper standing terrace. Germany and other European countries manage it just fine.

Why would fans have been ushered into one seated area? Everyone has a ticket for a particular seat so they'd be spread out. On a terrace it's just 'pick a spot'. Loads of people tend to want to be in the same area (behind the goal) so that will get packed even if the overall terraced area still has capacity left. It's a free-for-all and a recipe for disaster.

Having no means of escape was the big issue IMO and the police decisions to open gates allowing too many people in. But it being terracing definitely compounded the situation.

Authorities seemed to have a thing about standing being the cause of the hooliganism and the feeling that people sitting down wouldn't cause trouble, While they were on the right lines they mistook what the cause of the problem was. It wasn't the standing, it was the lack of a guaranteed space to stand that was a major cause of aggro. It can be cramped, personal space gets invaded, people get jostled and bumped into and tempers get frayed. That's why there was more likely to be trouble. If you had someone trying to push you out of your seat there'd be just as much trouble.

That's why terracing shouldn't come back. A standing area, yes. A terrace definitely not.