No one forces you. It's about choice. If you want a seat to yourself then you don't buy in the safe-standing area. Similarly, when it is a game where standing isn't allowed you can still sell the seat on 1:1 basis. Only 1 person can buy the season ticket in the safe standing zone, the other 0.8 are sold on a game by game basis.Wouldn't fancy being crammed in like that, I like my personal space.
You're right that it's a bit pointless and looks shit but you've got to start somewhere. If it works and the authorities start to realise this, it may slowly lead to it being done properly elsewhereYep, spot on- Shrewsbury have shoehorned it in after the fact- looks wrong and will feel wrong. I actually have no clue why they've done it- its not as if they urgently need higher capacity and its a half arsed job they've done at best.
And they will stand at Wembley like last year's checkatrade my hips are fucked and I found it fustrating being told to fuck off because I told them in front to sit down. If they did standing and charged £25 then fine if that's what you want but when you pay £46 to stand it's no jokeAt the minute it's about respecting the people around you, I have no issue with either standing or sitting if need's be. At MK Dons away there were a fair few old people who couldn't stand all game and missed what was going on because of people standing in front of them.
However if everybody at the front stands up, people behind them stand up etc.
And they will stand at Wembley like last year's checkatrade my hips are fucked and I found it fustrating being told to fuck off because I told them in front to sit down. If they did standing and charged £25 then fine if that's what you want but when you pay £46 to stand it's no joke
I can honestly say the time we played Burton away (televised on a Sunday, we won 2-1) The away end was sardinesville. Very small end, granted but it was jam packed.Always stood myself until it all changed after the Hillsboro tragedy. That’s nearly 30 years ago many fans now have hardly stood on
a terrace. Don’t think they would ever go back to pack ‘em in like sardines strategy. The best thing about standing is you can move away from the obnoxious, pissed up knob, doing your nut in.
Was 100% safe?I can honestly say the time we played Burton away (televised on a Sunday, we won 2-1) The away end was sardinesville. Very small end, granted but it was jam packed.
Looks immense. Fair play to them.
Surely it is 1 person to one of the "seats"? You aren't going to fit 2 people per seat in there.
Yes, don't recall there being any incident. Do recall a few people moving away from directly behind the goal when it did get very compact thoWas 100% safe?
I'm really for safe standing and want to see all clubs have it. Being on a terrace in Germany was probably one of the best football experiences I have ever had.
I think it needs to be at the front though. I feel as if they have put it the wrong way round here? If it was going to be at the Ricoh they should do it behind one of the goals, bottom half for example.
Here's a video of Shrewsbury:
It would look shit though, and I don't think the atmosphere would be as good.
You wouldn't lose that many seats at all so I think it would be worth it.
If people are in agreement that the atmosphere at German games is better, then replicate that. This back to front stuff isn't right in my opinion.
Wont be if they get promoted though as they will have to remove it.Looks immense. Fair play to them.
Bureaucracy....and it'll take time! It's like VAR...the reason the FA won't employ the method used in Rugby, which is so simple , straight forward and obvious, is because they want to develop a method exclusive to football...which they think will improve on the system. Crazy right...already a total shambles! Getting safe standing approved across the board will take a while, even though we all know it's the right thing to do!I honestly can't see why anybody would have a problem with it.
Why is employing the latest technology as a seating solution 'the dark ages'?don't go back too the dark ages. far safer with seating.
Do you have any idea what the system is? Nobody is suggesting going back to terraces.don't go back too the dark ages. far safer with seating.
Old?? 43?? Jeez! I dream of being a nice young age of 43! I've got 22 years on you and believe me, I feel it!Would be interesting to know...
Those who were born after about 1980 so have no real memory of regularly standing at games- given the choice now, would you stand or sit? I'm guessing Nick would sit?
I'm an old codger at 43 and I'd be standing without a doubt, it was a different world standing, the closest thing to it would be the old West Terrace
Like I say, to make standing at the front work at the Ricoh you'd have to spend millions on an architectural rebuild to make it work or else it would look worse than having standing at the back.
How would you have to spend millions? I also think an architectural rebuild is a bit over the top.
So are you saying keep a row of seats directly behind the safe standing row? Either you need to completely remove 4 or 5 rows of seats along the whole width of the standing section (would look terrible) or reprofile the grading of the rake of the stand to create better sight lines. Unfortunately that would cost millions.
All stadiums have to adhere to the Green Guide, have a read if you like.
http://www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/green-guide.pdf
Of course, posting a picture from the back of the stadium doesn't prove your point.Obviously remove a row of seats or 4 or 5, that isn't the point.
The point that you would need to alter the whole architecture costing millions to do this is nonsense. Look at this picture. If everyone in the front half was stood up you could still easily see. A mid section with a gap would be absolutely fine, and with a bit of decoration would look 100 times better than what Shrewsbury have done.
Of course, posting a picture from the back of the stadium doesn't prove your point.
I said 'either' remove a number of rows of seats directly behind or pay for re-profiling, not both. Removing rows of seats to keep it empty would look amateur, cheap and unfinished. Not that I'm a fan of the Shrewsbury layout either, to make it work that's the only way it could happen.
Would be interesting to know...
Those who were born after about 1980 so have no real memory of regularly standing at games- given the choice now, would you stand or sit? I'm guessing Nick would sit?
I'm an old codger at 43 and I'd be standing without a doubt, it was a different world standing, the closest thing to it would be the old West Terrace
It clearly isn't the only way to make it work. You've got this stuck in your head and are completely unable to budge on this.
Option 1) Put the rail seats at the back like Shrewsbury. It looks really poor, back to front, and the noise would be coming from completely the wrong place. I would personally not have any standing area if it was to look like this.
Option 2) Do an 'architectural structure change' and put the rail seats at the front. This costs 'millions' so not an option.
Option 3) Put the rail seats at the front, leaving a gap between where the rail seats end and the seating area begins. This would make sense and the empty gap in between could be decorated with something relevant to the club.
3 or 4 empty rows would not look amateur if the space was filled correctly. Even if it was left empty and ugly, it would still look heaps better than Shrewsbury, meaning the option of having it at the back would be worse. It would also be considerably cheaper than an 'architectural structure change'.
It wins out of the three options for me.
You do realise I've not actually said we 'should' have a structural redesign, it was me that pointed out to you it would cost millions. I said that would be the only option if you didn't want to have the seats directly behind the standing section removed. Personally I think that wouldn't look that great from a visual viewpoint and from a design aspect but if you think it would then fair enough. Totally understand it's your own vision but to say I'm unable to understand something and my input nonsense relating to this subject is a bit off.
You can play mental gymnastics all you want, but I put an idea on here which you promptly shot down mainly because it seems you don't like the idea rather than actually having sound arguments for why it wouldn't work.
As I have said, there are many ways to do it, all have flaws, but I think the option 3 I suggested above is probably the better one. That's fine if you don't think that, but don't come on here and try to shoot me down and then play the victim all of a sudden when I defend myself.
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