:facepalm: did you even read what I wrote? Then that is NOT blind faith.
... We don't know yet what Hoffman's group will actually do (whoever they are?) only what Hoffman says they will do.
Following last nights meeting where it was decided to change the groups direction from a fans representative body to simply a SISU-out body two of us have resigned as this is not what we wanted from the group. By way of explanation I post our two resignation letters.
Morning Gents
After sleeping on it I am tendering my resignation from the committee. I feel that the direction the group wishes to go in is not one I can support 100%. Much as I want rid of these current owners I want an alternative to back not promises. I wanted to create a representative body for the fans, irrespective of who the clubs owners were and could hold those owners to account. I was shocked to be told that Hoffman and Elliott would refuse to deal with any fans body that has dared to talk to the current owners but from the sound of it they actually have no interest in fan representation anyway – doesn’t bode well for the future, but that’s just my opinion. I hope your faith is repaid and that something positive happens but I wanted something bigger than just SISU-out, obviously I was mistaken but I guess you live and learn. I hope that Hoffman comes through with his promises and gets SISU out sooner rather than later but I am not prepared to blindly follow anyone on the strength of promises and rhetoric. I admire your faith but I am afraid I am to old and sceptical to believe every word I am told.
I have no intention of starting any splinter group etc and cause any mixed messages to the fans who according to the meeting to just want SISU-out or SISU-in message, so please feel free to carry on using the groups name etc and if you want the access codes to the web site I can let whoever wants them have them. I will cut off all communication with Fisher etc so that I don’t get accused of being any sort of traitor in the future, even if all I was trying to do was for the best of all Cov fans not just Gary Hoffman and leave the field open to you all.
I wish you all the best for the future and hope that your faith is repaid in the long term and as well as the short.
Regards
Jan
Second Resignation
Morning Gents,
I would like to politely tender my resignation from the committee. I do not intend to cover old ground or cause debate but the direction of the group goes against my personal and professional principles and integrity. I did not tender this at the meeting last night as I wanted time to sleep on it and also did not want to detract from the group discussions any further.
I have absolutely no intention of forming a splinter group or being any form of anti SOC but at the same time I cannot be part of something I personally feel to be short-sighted and naive. I am not willing to pin my hopes on any single takeover whoever it may be and I feel it somewhat irresponsible to do so without any clear plan or structure to hold any owner whether current or future accountable from day one, instead crossing my fingers and hoping for the best which is how I now perceive the direction to be.
I hope you all the very best in what you do and still intend to be present at general SOC meeting as I do truly believe that different opinions are healthy, I just feel that my personal and professional principles differ so greatly to that of the group direction that I would not be best served as a committee member.
It genuinely has been great meeting and speaking with you all, after all we all share the one true passion 'CCFC'
I have no pride in failure Mexico - I wanted more than a SISU-out chanting mob but others had their own ideas so I leave it to them. I hope their blind faith in Hoffman is rewarded and this time next year we are thinking about promotion from Div One and all will be rosy with our benevolent new leader.
what has actually been made public is that in the first bid there was a pot of £30m that was to be split £10m for paying some debts £10m to acquire players £10m to purchase an interest in ACL. Those sums being put into the club as loans and only if SISU discounted their loans so the situation not made worse in terms of liabilities. There are no details at all of the current discussions.
All very neat round numbers except (and these are only a few of the questions)
- it is safe to assume that SISU knew what the debts were GH certainly didnt he was no longer involved - the vast majority was owed to SISU. Is £10m enough or is it too much? - no real facts there then
- Is it £10m to buy the players or is it to buy and pay the players? Is the pot size affected by the amount of debts paid off ? Expensive players have expensive wages and dont guarantee success so will that push the losses up and at what point does GH consortium themselves stop funding the club and start selling the squad to balance the books. So a nice round number no actual facts
- £10m to buy the ground - no it doesnt it is £10m to offer to take up the option to buy the shares from the Higgs Charity. It doesnt get the club any income at all nor does it get any control over the stadium. Oh and the offer can be turned down by the Charity or vetoed by the council.
- We are not told who is involved in this consortium - we have no idea who is (that sound familiar) There are of course the usual leaks of info with the caveat of "I will tell you but dont tell anyone else" said to the chosen few - why? to what end ?
- We have been given as yet no idea as to why GH's consortium will succeed where SISU failed many just assume they will.
- we, well a lot, take it for granted things will be better under GH's consortium - they will have the same problems to deal with it is still going to be a rocky road if results dont kick in on the pitch
- we somehow choose to believe that because he is a ccfc fan things will be better - had plenty of ccfc fans running the club before and look where we got.
If you ask me are taking a lot of things on faith - personally I dont know GH or his backers, so until I am given good reason to I will keep my faith to myself (blind or otherwise). I will keep an open mind, I will give any new owners a fair chance but hell I wont just believe something just because they say so - actions not words or even faith please!
Finally well done to Jan for actually getting off his backside and doing something....... Whether you (collective) agree with it or not at least he tried to do something. He put himself out there and got shot at..... we all have our own styles and ways of getting things done - so live with it ....... some of the more personal comments aimed at him i find less than worthy of a sky blue fan. Personally I did nothing except write a few words on here - pretty much like most I would guess but unlike some who are fierce in their rhetoric but soft in action (their choice and i am comfortable with that) - I should imagine right now he wonders "why did I bother" So I whole heartedly applaud the guy for at least doing something !
:facepalm: did you even read what I wrote? Then that is NOT blind faith.
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Well said Oldskyblue, some of these awful comments aimed at Jan and others have been dispicable.
The Rev
I would say though that I don't think fan representation is likely as there's nothing in it for the owners - just interference. We've seen recently how much City fans care about being able to make a difference to the club; not very much.
Oh and what's your definition of who cares -- people who go to all the games to support the team or people who protest for change when there is no change. Before you start I have never criticised people who set the SOC thing up I was just indifferent to it. The true reality is the club was destined to have huge issues the minute Elliot and Ranson were forcing small shareholders to surrender shares to SISU. Anyone who wanted to remain a shareholder were slaughtered by supporters who then cared so much that they were practically begging SISU to take over. The word investment has a different definition in the Coventry English Dictionary, it means pump as much money as you can into the club, don't expect supporters to turn up and don't expect any return on your money just invest a bit more. Some people have to a have a look in the mirror and see that their personal lack of investment has led to this sad and sorry mess we have become.
I am sure that the cronies of Elliot, Ranson and co will eventually be in power Rich and you can rejoice...just like you did 4 years ago.
Well there are still 3 left on the committee so it's still going as far as I'm aware.
if they lie and don't deliver on their promises i'll slate them.
why say in two words "I quit" what you can say in 300! better still I will then post such letters on an independent forum to show how against the policy I am. Toys and prams spring to mind.
Otis - it was the pettiness and smallmindedness that shocked me. The meeting was told by an individual who associates with Elliott that Joe has stated that once they are in control of the club they would want nothing to do with any group that has dared to talk to the people currently running the club. Nor do they want any sort of fans representation as they are fans themselves. For balance I asked Hoffman directly the next day and he denied this stance. And we were accused of mixed messages!
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