So what I get from that is if you are in the premiership
You pretty much fill your stadium bar the area you have to leave as a divide between fans.
Ours is 15k and 25k if we can get the planning permission and if we decide to spend the money expanding it?
Why have Swansea stuck with 20k leaving 8000 fans locked out?
Not for me who only gets to Cov now and again - 1300 KM from here to Cov ( Northampton was nearer ;-) ).Unless you think we're suddenly going to double season ticket sales that won't be a problem. If and when we move to a new ground existing season ticket holders will no doubt get first option on renewals. If we then reach a point that we are doing so well it is sold out every week isn't that a good thing?
During my time of watching : Every year from 1964 to 1974 ( three of those years we averaged over 30k), 1977 to1980, 1998 to 2001 and 2006 to 2008. Notice that these times come in clusters on the odd occasion we have had success. If we are half decent, Coventry and Warwickshire people will come and support.if any club is due a prolonged period of success it is this one.genuine question, what seaosns have we averages over 20k ?
Wouldn't the break even change? Could go up or down if we movedWe were told at the beginning of the season we needed 11000 minimum gates , we regularly achieved over that, Mr Anderson late in the season said we really needed 14500. Can I ask with a potential multi million pound bill for a new 15000 seater stadium how would we thrive with a capacity just 500 over our break even figure ?
So what I get from that is if you are in the premiership
You pretty much fill your stadium bar the area you have to leave as a divide between fans.
Ours is 15k and 25k if we can get the planning permission and if we decide to spend the money expanding it?
Why have Swansea stuck with 20k leaving 8000 fans locked out?
At the Ricoh, yes.We were told at the beginning of the season we needed 11000 minimum gates , we regularly achieved over that, Mr Anderson late in the season said we really needed 14500. Can I ask with a potential multi million pound bill for a new 15000 seater stadium how would we thrive with a capacity just 500 over our break even figure ?
Most importantly though how has a 20,000 stadium prevented Swansea from remaining as a premier league club - or Watford or Bournemouth for that matter? In your view do these clubs all lack ambition more than us?
Depends how big the stadium is.
No way would we attract 30,000 to games against Bournmouth, Watford, Burnley, Middlesborough, C palace, Sunderland etc. imagine if these games were live on Sky what the crowds would be then.
Also it bonkers to plan a stadium for the premier league when you are not anywhere near it anyway
Most importantly though how has a 20,000 stadium prevented Swansea from remaining as a premier league club - or Watford or Bournemouth for that matter? In your view do these clubs all lack ambition more than us?
No it's hasn't prevented Swansea from staying in the premier league.
It's prevented 8000 people from getting season tickets. Never mind those who can't afford a season ticket but still want to go.
It's bonkers to move to a stadium with only 15k.
That can never be increased to the size we would need in the Premier League.
You need to start with 18-23k.
We know that as when we were talking to Rugby council 18k was our starting point.
If we are going modular in needs to be in a location that can go to 30k
Incase we get owners who can afford to get us to the premier league
Flags today for MTV crashes event this weekendDon't know if anyone has asked the council from CCFC but I do know the flags were arranges by ACL not Wasps and they are allowed to use them for any Ricoh event. Unfortunately they decided to only promote one of the teams that play there.
So you do agree that size of ground will have no impact on the club getting to, or remaining in, the premier league?
So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...So C.Palace are going for a 35-40k stadium
Swansea have permission for 34k
Plymouth are increasing theirs to nearly 18k
Fulham going up to 30k
Bristol Rovers 22k that can rise to 35k
Brentford 20k
Stoke going up to 30k
Bristol City going up to 27k
Colchester going up to 18k
Rotherham going up to 20k
Charlton going up to 31k (eventually 40k)
Derby 44k if they get to the Premier League
Leicester 42k
Ipswich going up to 40k if they reach the premier league
Hull going up to 34k
Norwich going up to 35k
Reading going up to 38k
Hills borough going up to 45k
Wolves going up to 38k
(A lot of these have the plans in place in case they reach the premier league )
However don't worry we are in good company.....
Southend will build a 14k one that can rise to 20k plus
Cambridge 11k
AFC Wimbledon 11k
Scunthorpe 12k
Carlisle 12k
Walsall to go up to 13.5k
Shrewsbury 12.5 k
Cov 15k raising to 25k if we are lucky
So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...
We haven't had a 30k stadium for the last 20years.
how many times would we have "sold out" a 30k stadium in the last 20 years ?
And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.These are clubs who's owners have ambition and are willing to back that financially.
For me its an indication of the attitude of ACL towards the club. There's a lot of dick waving from Wasps, suspect they are insecure and not as confident about their long term future as they make out.seriously with all that is going on flags are big issue????
Does anyone actively want a small stadium with no possibility of expansion? Don't think so.Can't believe we have a number on here who think reducing ground size is a progressive way forward,
So C.Palace are going for a 35-40k stadium
Swansea have permission for 34k
Plymouth are increasing theirs to nearly 18k
Fulham going up to 30k
Bristol Rovers 22k that can rise to 35k
Brentford 20k
Stoke going up to 30k
Bristol City going up to 27k
Colchester going up to 18k
Rotherham going up to 20k
Charlton going up to 31k (eventually 40k)
Derby 44k if they get to the Premier League
Leicester 42k
Ipswich going up to 40k if they reach the premier league
Hull going up to 34k
Norwich going up to 35k
Reading going up to 38k
Hills borough going up to 45k
Wolves going up to 38k
(A lot of these have the plans in place in case they reach the premier league )
However don't worry we are in good company.....
Southend will build a 14k one that can rise to 20k plus
Cambridge 11k
AFC Wimbledon 11k
Scunthorpe 12k
Carlisle 12k
Walsall to go up to 13.5k
Shrewsbury 12.5 k
Cov 15k raising to 25k if we are lucky
Significantly inferior to MK, 30K capacity stadium they half fill.So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...
Clearly, as many hold Swansea up as the model we should follow, we're doing that with our ground too...
And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.
Its not like we have lots of fantastic options. We're in a position where every option we have isn't ideal, its a matter of finding which is the best of those.
(agree but we are a club who should be starting with a 20k stadium no question
We were looking at 18k when we spoke to rugby council.
Now it is 15k with maybe 29k one day, why?
Our owners expect us to be in the championship after this season so why is our starting point not 20k)
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Our biggest attendances since being at the Ricoh
Coventry City 0–2 Chelsea FA Cup quarter-final 7 March 2009 31,407
Coventry City 0–3 Crewe Alexandra Football League Trophy area-final 5 February 2013 31,054
Coventry City 2–3 Leeds United Football League Championship 6 November 2010 28,184
Coventry City 0–5 West Bromwich Albion FA Cup Fifth Round 16 February 2008 28,163
Coventry City 1–1 Middlesbrough FA Cup Fourth Round 28 January 2006 28,120
Coventry City 1–1 Wolverhampton Wanderers Football League Championship 26 April 2008 27,992
Coventry City 1–0 Gillingham Football League One 5 September 2014 27,306
Coventry City 0–1 Birmingham City Football League Championship 31 October 2006 27,212
Coventry City 2–0 Wolverhampton Wanderers Football League Championship 2 January 2006 26,851
Coventry City 1–1 Leicester City Football League Championship 17 April 2006 26,672
Coventry City 1–1 Leeds United Football League Championship 18 March 2006 26,643
Coventry City 0–1 West Bromwich Albion Football League Championship 28 April 2007 26,343
A stadium that holds 25K would be fine. We would just need it planned so that if we need more tickets we reduce the size of the away end to the minimum allocation allowed which is 10%
Clearly, as many hold Swansea up as the model we should follow, we're doing that with our ground too...
And one of those two is a bit of an anomaly. It was only a big crowd as it was the first game back. Get a 10K stadium and we'll be storming up the leagues.Out of the 12 games above, we won just TWO!!! TWO!!!
You mean kick out bad owners and largely fan ownership
During my time of watching : Every year from 1964 to 1974 ( three of those years we averaged over 30k), 1977 to1980, 1998 to 2001 and 2006 to 2008. Notice that these times come in clusters on the odd occasion we have had success. If we are half decent, Coventry and Warwickshire people will come and support.if any club is due a prolonged period of success it is this one.
And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.
Its not like we have lots of fantastic options. We're in a position where every option we have isn't ideal, its a matter of finding which is the best of those.
For me its an indication of the attitude of ACL towards the club. There's a lot of dick waving from Wasps, suspect they are insecure and not as confident about their long term future as they make out.
All the plastering Wasps logos all over the place, flags etc is counter productive in some ways. For example if you're sending out your one pager to attract business to the Ricoh and it accompanied by pictures of the main entrance you'd see a massive Wasps logo and no sign of our existence. Most people don't associate Wasps with Coventry so won't properly register what they are looking at. Even more so if Ricoh don't renew the naming rights. How many people will see the something like the JLR Arena home of Wasps and immediately think Coventry?
Think of how long you spend looking at marketing info you're sent. It would be looked at for a few seconds, wouldn't register as Coventry and skipped over.
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