So the question is: Why employ them?
Maybe one of their 'operators' will post a confirmation here that they are ONLY doing simple advertising for ACL events?
No offence Godiva and apologies for the other thread but carries about the same weight you're giving ML credence suggesting the fans through the trust were manipulayedGuessing is fun, isn't it?
Acl don't need to do PR on this forum, the clubs fans do it for them.Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they actually partake in astroturfing?
I'm on this site almost 24/7 and I've never seen anything that would come close (and I remember outing the XBO astroturfers on reddit and others, so have an idea what to look for) although I've seen a fair few dodgy posters pop up with very specific wording that's very close to Labovitch's words.
I'm not saying it goes on on either side. That's your accusation, but if it does, not only is it both sides but from what I've seen Sisu's PR is far more active.
Acl don't need to do PR on this forum, the clubs fans do it for them.
So the question is: Why employ them?
Give Lord a break. At least he has shown his face on a thread where there is so much evidence against SISU and what they are up to. A few normal posters that join just about every thread have kept well away from this one.
Why can't they just be straight with the trust for example just say "We think you have done this, this is why we have an issue". Then the trust can reply and discuss it.
Acl don't need to do PR on this forum, the clubs fans do it for them.
The fact that kingsharvest can't be arsed with these meetings anymore speaks volumes for me. They're a completely pointless exercise.Really, why didn't Labovitch just say to the fella at the meeting, phone someone off this forum then? Not quite sure what you are trying to achieve with your post on one of the better threads on here? On a more thread topic related point, what do you think of the way Labovitch carried on at the meeting after the minutes were produced on here and what people have been talking about?
Unlike most of the populators of this thread I've never supported SISU at any time.
What do you support? Do you have any views of your own whatsoever or is the idea of at some point being proven wrong too scary for you?
The fact that kingsharvest can't be arsed with these meetings anymore speaks volumes for me. They're a completely pointless exercise.
As for Labovich, you can tell by the way he bumbles through his brief ssn interviews that he's a cretin and he hasn't got a clue what he's on about.
And the frightening thing is, this man along with others like him are at the helm of our club, with our best interests at heart
Do we actually know for a fact WS are engaged purely to deal with the CCFC / SISU situation? Do ACL have a seperate PR company who deal with their general PR?
Maybe one of their 'operators' will post a confirmation here that they are ONLY doing simple advertising for ACL events?
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they actually partake in astroturfing?
I'm on this site almost 24/7 and I've never seen anything that would come close (and I remember outing the XBO astroturfers on reddit and others, so have an idea what to look for) although I've seen a fair few dodgy posters pop up with very specific wording that's very close to Labovitch's words.
I'm not saying it goes on on either side. That's your accusation, but if it does, not only is it both sides but from what I've seen Sisu's PR is far more active.
Why can't they just be straight with the trust for example just say "We think you have done this, this is why we have an issue". Then the trust can reply and discuss it.
Exactly what they should have done! Diplomacy isn't their core competence me thinks.
No offence Godiva and apologies for the other thread but carries about the same weight you're giving ML credence suggesting the fans through the trust were manipulayed
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they actually partake in astroturfing?
sisu or acl plant, pretending to be a city fan
Thank Christ for that, thought it might be something similar to "bagpiping" or "felching".
Thank Christ for that, thought it might be something similar to "bagpiping" or "felching".
It seems pretty obvious that sisu think the Trust (or leading members of the Trust) were siding with ccc to oust the owners from the club. The way ML handled that in the SGC meeting oozes of anger and frustration - where does that come from?
Thank Christ for that, thought it might be something similar to "bagpiping" or "felching".
No need for apologies.
I am not trying to give ML any credence here ... just leave room for him knowing more than I do. From just reading the minutes and coupled with similar remarks at the radio interview I get a feeling there's more history between the Trust (or members of the Trust) and the club than we know of. But it could easily be a case of mud slinging - some is bound to stick until it's wiped clean.
It seems pretty obvious that sisu think the Trust (or leading members of the Trust) were siding with ccc to oust the owners from the club. The way ML handled that in the SGC meeting oozes of anger and frustration - where does that come from?
The trust were very publicly close with the haskell stuff, is that what they mean?
The trust were very publicly close with the haskell stuff, is that what they mean?
The trust were very publicly close with the haskell stuff, is that what they mean?
No need for apologies.
I am not trying to give ML any credence here ... just leave room for him knowing more than I do. From just reading the minutes and coupled with similar remarks at the radio interview I get a feeling there's more history between the Trust (or members of the Trust) and the club than we know of. But it could easily be a case of mud slinging - some is bound to stick until it's wiped clean.
It seems pretty obvious that sisu think the Trust (or leading members of the Trust) were siding with ccc to oust the owners from the club. The way ML handled that in the SGC meeting oozes of anger and frustration - where does that come from?
I think you're being very naive there. I doubt Sisu think anything of the sort. They're just stirring crap with the hope of discrediting the Trust.
You're one of the good ones Godiva, but at some point, I have to ask if you seriously believe this crap?
I think Godiva eats poo for breakfast. "No smoke without fire".. . "there's MUST be a reason he thinks that"..."maybe he just eats a small amount of poo"
I mean seriously, this is 12 year old stuff, can you seriously not see through it? I mean on the balance of probabilities? really?
Yes they were, and if anything that may be seen as a mistake.
The thing is, everyone thought the club was up for sale, Sisu while not out the picture were not running the club technically, and here was a guy offering what the stated aim of the SBT is (fan ownership, full or part) of course they were going to talk to him.
You've also got to remember that for a long period Sisu wouldn't talk to the Trust and ACL did, so most of the information flow came from them. That doesn't make them biased, and really only Sisu can be blamed if they didn't get their side of the story out in time can't they?
The only question that really needs asking here is: have the Trust not represented the views of their members?
If the answer to that is yes, then they are failing in their job and should be taken to task, if the answer is no then you can't touch them as they are literally a representative body, you may as well bring all of Cov into disrepute.
As you know, I keep a bit of a firewall between me and official Trust stuff, mostly because I don't care that much, but I know for a fact that at that time the decisions being taken were for good, honest reasons. This started as a smear campaign with the previous Chair and now is continuing. My Dad, Steve, Jan, I challenge anyone who knows them or even comes into contact with them to say they are anything other than straight up, honest Coventry City fans.
I'll tell you the lengths that the Trust went to to stay neutral (and I thought this was crazy): When I went to away games with my Dad, when the "Sisu Out" chant starts, even if everyone including me around us joins in. He doesn't. The entire board have walked on eggshells to both actually be balanced and to show it publicly. My opinion has always been that they shouldn't, as that's not representative of the majority view of fans.
This is fucking Harriet Harman all over again, with Labovitch in the role of Daily Mail.
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