CJ_covblaze
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Season ticket prices 17/18 season (2 Viewers)
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bawtryneal
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I personally believe that £13 a ticket is very good value. When you deduct VAT the club is getting just over a tenner.
Are they offering "pay in instalments" or a similar deal. Say, £35 a month for 10 months or whatever. I would think those living on a budget would find that more acceptable
I personally will not be renewing as I have stated since Xmas. I believe Robins will do the best possible but have had enough of Fisher and SISU and complete lack of entertainment.
Show me investment and a long term vision and I will support.
Are they offering "pay in instalments" or a similar deal. Say, £35 a month for 10 months or whatever. I would think those living on a budget would find that more acceptable
I personally will not be renewing as I have stated since Xmas. I believe Robins will do the best possible but have had enough of Fisher and SISU and complete lack of entertainment.
Show me investment and a long term vision and I will support.
Astute
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Maybe £13 a ticket when we have got used to a lack of entertainment isn't very good value then.
bawtryneal
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You can't argue with that !!
Warwickhunt
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I suppose they worked out a projection and a budget on the grounds of NOPM campaign and estimated what the crowd would be to get to these figures. I think £10 a game senior citizen is quite good in comparison and if I can see football like we have over the last 3/4 games then I will be buying. It's up to the team now on how it finishes the season.
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It has been worth about £3 per game until Robins has arrived, which is probably about as much as gets invested on the playing side of things
Sky Blue Pete
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What's been said?
Sky Blue Pete
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I think nowhere near 7000 unfortunately
rupert_bear
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Haven't we suppose to have a new commercial director ? Haven't heard a peep from him since the Wembley thing
You couldn't be more wrong. 2013/14 was the first time Bradford had a higher average than us in a given season since 1958, and it was only the second time since the war. We have a much higher average attendance than them historically - it isn't even close. Since 2013/14 they have pulled away, so their pricing strategy is clearly working. I'm not saying we are in a position to emulate that right now, but the idea that Bradford's gates are somehow a continuation of the norm is a nonsense. Their average last season was their highest since 1929 - meanwhile this season ours is the lowest in our history.
The "award winning" journalist posted an opinion piece a few days ago.
OPINION: Season ticket boycott to oust Coventry City owners is BONKERS and will fail. Time fans' 'leaders' said so
Les Reid7th Apr, 2017Updated: 8th Apr, 2017
So now we know. Coventry City ARE going to be relegated. Even the unexpected ‘miracle’ greatest of ‘great escapes’ is now all but mathematically impossible.
We also know they HAVE won silverware at Wembley for only the second time in their history in front of 43,000 Coventry City fans, highlighting the club’s ongoing size and potential.
Frustratingly, all those of us who care about the club also now know we are about to enter yet another round of intransigent and acrimonious off-field politics – FIVE years since it started – blame games and distorted nonsense which yet again is likely to get us precisely nowhere.
Those promulgating the destructive negativity will yet again achieve only half their aim.
That is, to publicise nationally that the Sky Blues is a ‘crisis club’ – which inevitably just puts off current and prospective supporters, players, managers and potential investors.
They will keep on failing to achieve their end game of a takeover, by fans or anyone else – as they have done for five years.
They will go on contributing to a multi-party political and commercial dispute which has damaged and financially distressed the club.
They will go on blaming the club and its current ‘owners’ for all ills, rather than all parties and calling on all parties for a resolution.
None of it is a recipe for turning into reality the collective hope – expressed by those inspirational 1987 FA Cup winning talismen John Sillett and Keith Houchen in this newspaper among others – that somehow, just somehow, the positive energy from that magnificent Wembley win could be a turning point towards an early promotion push from League Two, with winning games putting bums back on seats.
I won’t go into all the issues I covered in my long opinion piece last October – called ‘Lies, Boycotts and Trumpification in the Coventry City dispute’ – written as a journalist who has covered the issues since the 1990s – and intensely since 2012/3 – from the boardrooms to the court rooms, council offices to Parliament. The issues covered in that article remain entirely relevant today.
I do however want to address one prevalent sentiment and campaign tactic currently being pushed to the top of the news agenda by those one-eyed anti-Sisu campaigners and campaigning newspaper editors.
It is the idea that fans should not renew season tickets – and not attend matches – until Sisu sell.
My fellow Sky Blues fans are rightly frustrated and angry about the club’s demise and of paying to watch substandard football since being top of the league last season.
If the football is poor, fans will go to fewer games. That’s their prerogative. In fact, that’s what I as a paying fan have done for many years. It is a campaign lie to pretend all those not attending games are ‘voting with their feet’ against the current owners.
But let us call out this ‘Not One Penny More until Sisu go’ idea for what it is.
It is plain bonkers.
The opposite will almost certainly be needed for a takeover. For a willing buyer and seller, VALUE will need to be added to the club – a club which has been devalued by the agenda and all sides in the dispute for too long.
And thousands of fans know it. They do not support the distress tactics. They know it won’t work. Such opinions are expressed daily – often angrily – across internet forums and social media.
They are tired of the so-called fans’ ‘leaders’ and media editors’ distorted agenda and of national scribes’ Hollywood black-and-white narrative constructed in profound ignorance of the facts and divided fans’ opinion.
ADMINISTRATION
Not only have these usual suspects promoted to the top of the news agenda the idea of not renewing season tickets or buying tickets for Coventry City home games until Sisu go.
Worse, they have recently talked up the prospect of it being a mechanism leading to the club going into administration, which would cost the Sky Blues a hefty and disastrous League points deduction.
Administration, some fans’ ‘leaders’ have tried to tell us, could be a way of ‘the fans’ acquiring or part-acquiring the club.
Again, it is bonkers, as most fans know. Most fans do not support it.
They know Coventry City Council-backed hopes of a takeover via administration spectacularly backfired in 2013, and cost the Sky Blues’ team a crippling 20 League points. As in 2013, the Sisu group of companies remain the secured creditors.
When called out by many fans, these so-called fans’ ‘leaders’ retreat.
The so-called fans’ ‘leaders’ insist they have never urged a boycott of season ticket sales, despite talking it up. They include the less-than-measured David Johnson of Fighting The Jimmy Hill Way, whose first act as campaign leader was to produce a tasteless witch mask of Sisu’s Joy Seppala using a certain newspaper’s copyrighted picture of her.
‘Let’s Get Rid of the Wicked Witch’ went the slogan on the mask. Only a hundred or so fans held it up at the halloween fixture. It alienated many others, including female fans.
It’s time for them, and all responsible media, to end the mixed messages and to challenge any agenda which still seeks to distress the club. The club loses, not Sisu. The club must balance the books under any owner or gamble, without commercial stadium revenues beyond a paltry £75,000 last season.
It’s time for the fans’ group Sky Blue Trust leaders – who again this week released a statement mentioning fans’ acquisition through poor season ticket sales – to come out AGAINST any economic distress tactics.
If they don’t or won’t do that, it is time for them to resign.
MEDIATION AND MULTI-PARTY SOLUTION
It’s also time – as the Coventry Observer stated in an editorial two weeks ago, for fans’ groups and responsible media to consistently and persistently call for ALL sides to talk to end the dispute with a Fair Deal for Coventry City, finally, on revenues at a stadium AND a long-term academy solution.
Imagine how many more thousands of fans would have backed such a petition and campaign if similarly promoted – which could have united not divided fans. Our ‘Save Our City’ campaign has consistently and persistently called for a multi-party resolution and Fair Deal for CCFC.
Again, if the usual suspects can’t or won’t do that either, they should step aside.
A new pan-city, pan-community centreground and intelligent joint initiative with people coming together – not a failed campaign driven by hatred, commercial self-interest and distorted propaganda – will likely be needed if we want a solution to the dispute.
If you agree, get involved. Speak up. Get organised. Don’t just tweet. Don’t cower in fear of being shot down as a ‘scab’, a ‘Sisu apologist’, or someone who is blaming ‘the fans’ – as the hollow, overused and (let’s face it) pretty pathetic campaign mantras go. Those of you who have expressed similar views to ours for years ARE fans – and your voices are being ignored by the mainstream media.
Let’s not kid anyone that Coventry City Council, who sold the Ricoh Arena to Wasps, and other parties are not still playing an active part in this dispute. Just look at council leader George Duggins’ recent words. Many don’t believe, naively, that there is never political interference by local authorities in the supposedly ‘quasi judicial’ decisions taken by a few councillors in planning committee.
Many are tired of that other ‘cart before horse’ council and campaign mantra, that Sisu must drop their legal action against the Wasps deal first, before any mediation, including the current mediation process involving Chris Heaton-Harris MP reporting to sports minister Tracey Crouch. It’s not lost on many that professional mediation on a daily basis in all walks of life exists precisely to reach an END point, of court action being dropped.
Let’s have a pan-community resolution. Let’s all make it happen.
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They should get some of the players to ring the fans to get them to renew, knowing my luck I would get Tudgay.
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That should say Boycott season tickets to oust Coventry City's bonkers owners
Esoterica
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I don't know what all the fuss is about, has everyone missed this?!
Why couldn't they have released it with something like:
- Free first cup game of 2017/18 for all Early Bird purchasers.
- During the early bird period, there will be no service charge for Season Tickets. Following the conclusion of the early bird period, a £6 service charge will be applied for any Season Ticket purchase.
Why couldn't they have released it with something like:
- A preview with the Sky Blues Trust leadership before details were released, so that the club got supporter feedback.
- Anyone with an existing ST in a Standard Plus Zone (now Premium) will have their current ST price honored for a season.
- All early bird adult tickets sold together with a junior ticket will be entered into a draw for the chance to be a mascot/ball boy.
- 15 quid club shop voucher for early bird purchases.
- Early bird price for just a ticket or slightly more expensive with a home shirt at a discounted price.
- Early bird's get 5 'bring a friend for a fiver' vouchers.
- Early bird's get 20% discount on all home cup ties for the season
OffenhamSkyBlue
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FWIW, Hereford FC are charging £207 for a seating season ticket for next year, in Southern Prem.
We are comparable to the majority of League 2 clubs, and have very limited other income streams (and I am not talking about owner investment, per se)
You want a budget for Robins to spend on the team, or not?
We are comparable to the majority of League 2 clubs, and have very limited other income streams (and I am not talking about owner investment, per se)
You want a budget for Robins to spend on the team, or not?
SkyBlueRuffian
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Except for the shares he has in the club.
Astute
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Some of what he says does make sense. But the article is full of propaganda.
Most people not renewing their ST are not doing so because someone tells them not to. All you have to do is read this thread to work out why.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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OK, simple question: How many of you would buy an ST at those prices in League 2 if SISU sold up before the start of next season?
Astute
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I haven't seen anyone say that it is a bad price. It is that we have been relegated and you could end up paying more. And you have to buy before you have a clue on what our squad is going to look like or you will miss the early bird prices.
Some people are going to be in for a shock when they see the quality of Division 4 football next season.
Astute
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Me. And I would miss most games.
I cannot believe the Coventry Telegraph are running a reaction piece on the Season Ticket prices. I cannot believe the hypocrisy of that rag: the quality of their stories deteriorates (more often than not having nothing to do with the Coventry and Warwickshire region: "here's something you can do 45 minutes away from Coventry") and yet they don't reduce their prices for the paper (for those who still buy the print copy)
Voice_of_Reason
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Went and saw Cheltenham a couple of times and I agree, Division Four quality is worse than Division Three where we are now. Of course Division Four is now called Division Two and Division Three called Division One - God knows why!
this makes me laugh if we get 15000 there will be 30 % discount.
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Money Back. For the first time ever, the club has also decided to introduce a refund scheme to encourage more City supporters to sign up and back the Sky Blues for the 2016/17 season at the Ricoh Arena.
The scheme has four different sales targets, with a maximum discount of 30% and the size of the refund depending on the number of season cards sold. If the club sells over 7,000 season tickets, fans will receive a refund of 10%. If the club sells 8,500, fans will receive a refund of 15%. If the club reaches the magic mark of 10,000, fans will receive a refund of 20% and if we reach 15,000, a 30% discount will apply. If we reach the required targets, supporters will receive money back on their Season Ticket cards, which can be used for your 2017/18 Season Ticket.
For early bird purchases, the club have also decided to pay for the £6 Ticketmaster service charge of associated with buying a season ticket card.
Read more at Season Tickets"
"
Money Back. For the first time ever, the club has also decided to introduce a refund scheme to encourage more City supporters to sign up and back the Sky Blues for the 2016/17 season at the Ricoh Arena.
The scheme has four different sales targets, with a maximum discount of 30% and the size of the refund depending on the number of season cards sold. If the club sells over 7,000 season tickets, fans will receive a refund of 10%. If the club sells 8,500, fans will receive a refund of 15%. If the club reaches the magic mark of 10,000, fans will receive a refund of 20% and if we reach 15,000, a 30% discount will apply. If we reach the required targets, supporters will receive money back on their Season Ticket cards, which can be used for your 2017/18 Season Ticket.
For early bird purchases, the club have also decided to pay for the £6 Ticketmaster service charge of associated with buying a season ticket card.
Read more at Season Tickets"
Astute
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That was last seasons offer :smuggrin:
Averaging £30 for how many tickets per game? Think your statement may be misleading some.
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If we had reached the required numbers the season tickets would have been increased to cover that amount.
Johnnythespider
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Value for money is all about what's happening on the pitch, £13 a game sounds ok but it hasn't felt like good value this season. If the team are outperforming well most fans would pay this or more quite happily, but that isn't the issue, for most who have said they won't renew have stated it's because of sisu. My choice will depend on if my lad wants one, I may wait and see how we start the season before committing.
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ccfc92
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N we sold about 5k didn't we? IIRC
skybluebeduff
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All of us, every man, women , child and dog would be queuing up if SISU just done the right thing and sold this club.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
£13 per game is not unreasonable in the general national scheme of things. However given the recent performance of CCFC on & off the pitch and the way this news has been delivered it cant help but feel like a kick in the nuts for most fans.
Given that the club must have been aware of the strength of feeling about next season from season ticket holders you can not help but feel that CCFC directors & commercial department are completely out of touch with the clubs main source of income - the fans. It is an attitude of take it or leave it - a lot will leave it
Pure guess but I think the club will be doing well to sell over 3000 season tickets tickets. If so that's going to put average crowds at around 5000. That's going to be awful in a 32000 seater stadium, half of which is closed. It could of course change should the team be successful, but to do that Robins has to build a decent L2 squad in the first place
Will some of the shortfall be made up of people turning up on the day? well if the team does well possibly but wont that be countered by the lower levels of away fans attending. Look at the L2 table and there will be no local derbies and the average away fan numbers of those teams in L2 are not large in number.
An early bird seated season ticket at Nuneaton Town this season was 230 for 21 games (10.95 pg ) CCFC £299 for 23 games (£13 pg).
What happens if because of work, fixtures changes etc you miss say five games the price in effect goes up to £16.60 pg
Can not help but think like many others, a missed opportunity and poor interaction yet again. Still makes the reason for Mr Reid's article clearer I suppose - blame the poor performance of CCFC financially on the fans and specifically the Trust & other fans groups, when the reality is people are voting with their feet in the main, there is no great or organised financial campaign, and the club are helping the fans choice. There never has been a SBTrust plan, intention or 2 year plot to distress CCFC financially forcing administration then fans ownership, it was never even considered by the fans ownership planning. The constant reference to such scheming is ill informed nonsense
other stuff
Fisher in making his claim of 8th biggest budget for next season can only be comparing his projected budget estimate against this years L2 figures. We all know about Fisher projections of fan numbers don't we. That fisher budget will all change come next season when the real figures hit I suspect. Of course SISU are involved in setting budgets, why else is Laura Deering (a SISU employed number cruncher) a director of SBS&L and attending Otium directors meetings
in the 2015/16 accounts match day income was £2,314,567 on average crowds of 12570. Since then there was a price hike 25% so same crowds you would have expected £2.89m but of course crowd numbers dropped to a current 9085 estimated income match days (excluding Wembley) £2.09m 2016/17. I would think well below the budget set this time last year, bringing with it associated cash flow problems. So looking forward match day income on crowds of 5000 could be as low as 1.15m season 2017/18.
Other incomes in 2015/16 were 3.13m. TV, sponsorship, advertising shop etc. These are all going to be hit by the lower division and lower fans numbers. Would a reasonable guess be around £2m for 2017/18?
So turnover looks to me like it will be around 3.5m. The SCMP for L2 is 55% so that budget would seem to be around 1.9m (2015/16 estimated at 3.2m and 2016/17 a guess at similar depending on when Wembley windfall actually received) Thing is SCMP is based on when received not receivable - will CCFC receive the prize money before or after 31/05/2017? In any case SCMP is just a figure and doesn't mean it will get spent. Rules for FFP & SCMP are here Appendix 5 - Financial Fair Play Regulations
If the club has to be self sufficient there are direct costs, other wages and overheads to be paid out. That in itself restricts the cash available to spend on players and their wages even before SCMP does. In 2015/16 Direct costs were 1.1m Total staff costs 4.3m and overheads 1.8m. Those figures you would have expected to decrease this current year and will have to next season decrease even further. Only so much saving you can do on direct & Overheads some of those costs tend to be pretty fixed. Only conclusion I can draw is that they are expecting either additional funding (doesn't match with statements about owner funding) or player sales
Simply put CCFC have to be successful and challenging for promotion all season for it all to work financially - no pressure there then Mr Robins, I hope the financial assurances you got are in blood & set in stone
Just my opinion of course
Given that the club must have been aware of the strength of feeling about next season from season ticket holders you can not help but feel that CCFC directors & commercial department are completely out of touch with the clubs main source of income - the fans. It is an attitude of take it or leave it - a lot will leave it
Pure guess but I think the club will be doing well to sell over 3000 season tickets tickets. If so that's going to put average crowds at around 5000. That's going to be awful in a 32000 seater stadium, half of which is closed. It could of course change should the team be successful, but to do that Robins has to build a decent L2 squad in the first place
Will some of the shortfall be made up of people turning up on the day? well if the team does well possibly but wont that be countered by the lower levels of away fans attending. Look at the L2 table and there will be no local derbies and the average away fan numbers of those teams in L2 are not large in number.
An early bird seated season ticket at Nuneaton Town this season was 230 for 21 games (10.95 pg ) CCFC £299 for 23 games (£13 pg).
What happens if because of work, fixtures changes etc you miss say five games the price in effect goes up to £16.60 pg
Can not help but think like many others, a missed opportunity and poor interaction yet again. Still makes the reason for Mr Reid's article clearer I suppose - blame the poor performance of CCFC financially on the fans and specifically the Trust & other fans groups, when the reality is people are voting with their feet in the main, there is no great or organised financial campaign, and the club are helping the fans choice. There never has been a SBTrust plan, intention or 2 year plot to distress CCFC financially forcing administration then fans ownership, it was never even considered by the fans ownership planning. The constant reference to such scheming is ill informed nonsense
other stuff
Fisher in making his claim of 8th biggest budget for next season can only be comparing his projected budget estimate against this years L2 figures. We all know about Fisher projections of fan numbers don't we. That fisher budget will all change come next season when the real figures hit I suspect. Of course SISU are involved in setting budgets, why else is Laura Deering (a SISU employed number cruncher) a director of SBS&L and attending Otium directors meetings
in the 2015/16 accounts match day income was £2,314,567 on average crowds of 12570. Since then there was a price hike 25% so same crowds you would have expected £2.89m but of course crowd numbers dropped to a current 9085 estimated income match days (excluding Wembley) £2.09m 2016/17. I would think well below the budget set this time last year, bringing with it associated cash flow problems. So looking forward match day income on crowds of 5000 could be as low as 1.15m season 2017/18.
Other incomes in 2015/16 were 3.13m. TV, sponsorship, advertising shop etc. These are all going to be hit by the lower division and lower fans numbers. Would a reasonable guess be around £2m for 2017/18?
So turnover looks to me like it will be around 3.5m. The SCMP for L2 is 55% so that budget would seem to be around 1.9m (2015/16 estimated at 3.2m and 2016/17 a guess at similar depending on when Wembley windfall actually received) Thing is SCMP is based on when received not receivable - will CCFC receive the prize money before or after 31/05/2017? In any case SCMP is just a figure and doesn't mean it will get spent. Rules for FFP & SCMP are here Appendix 5 - Financial Fair Play Regulations
If the club has to be self sufficient there are direct costs, other wages and overheads to be paid out. That in itself restricts the cash available to spend on players and their wages even before SCMP does. In 2015/16 Direct costs were 1.1m Total staff costs 4.3m and overheads 1.8m. Those figures you would have expected to decrease this current year and will have to next season decrease even further. Only so much saving you can do on direct & Overheads some of those costs tend to be pretty fixed. Only conclusion I can draw is that they are expecting either additional funding (doesn't match with statements about owner funding) or player sales
Simply put CCFC have to be successful and challenging for promotion all season for it all to work financially - no pressure there then Mr Robins, I hope the financial assurances you got are in blood & set in stone
Just my opinion of course
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thekidfromstrettoncamp
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Just done a quick check on championship website and found 7 clubs where I could watch them for less(I am an o a p) plus Ipswich where I could sit in their family enclosure for £149 ,2 sites probably waiting to see what division their playing in
señor Santiago
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I think you're a mug if you buy a season ticket under sisu. They've taken us from the championship to league two, have some respect for yourself.
italiahorse
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Okay I'm over it and will be getting a ticket again in block 20. (Senior)
I just hope that they set a budget at 10,000 average for the season and buy the players to suit.
Okay at the start it will be much lower but with a top 3 budget, Mark Robins and the team at the top the fans will be back and the 10K, or more, will be achieved.
The worst thing they can do is base it on 5,000 (3,000 ST) initial turn out and provide a squad at that level and then muddlle around in mid table.
Come on CCFC/SISU are you clever enough ?
I just hope that they set a budget at 10,000 average for the season and buy the players to suit.
Okay at the start it will be much lower but with a top 3 budget, Mark Robins and the team at the top the fans will be back and the 10K, or more, will be achieved.
The worst thing they can do is base it on 5,000 (3,000 ST) initial turn out and provide a squad at that level and then muddlle around in mid table.
Come on CCFC/SISU are you clever enough ?
ccfcway
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people aren't mugs because they choose to support their club.
I'm pretty sure everyone goes into it with their eyes open. Clearly fans care more about the club than the owners, but that shouldn't stop people going. We will be here long after they are
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