Season tickets (3 Viewers)

[Flying Fokker]

It’s a fair question. Do teams that go down after one season see increased attendances compared to before promotion? Any idea of example teams I can look at?

It’s a fair question. Do teams that go down after one season see increased attendances compared to before promotion? Any idea of example teams I can look at?

City‘s went down 15%

England historical attendance and performance

 

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[North York’s Blue]

Maybe the club are trying to get part of the South Stand opened up for home fans?

 

[hill83]

On Sale tomorrow 10am

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s a fair question. Do teams that go down after one season see increased attendances compared to before promotion? Any idea of example teams I can look at?

Hadn’t even thought about it previously to be honest. Just playing devils advocate. Suppose it depends on how they played etc

 

[Flying Fokker]

I might add:

 

[Flying Fokker]

Hadn’t even thought about it previously to be honest. Just playing devils advocate. Suppose it depends on how they played etc

England historical attendance and performance

 

[SkyblueDad]

We sold just over 13k last season about 3k kids we have sold 5000 already I’m hopeful that 13000 could go up to 18000+ there will be finance offers I’m sure.

 

[SBAndy]

It’s a fair question. Do teams that go down after one season see increased attendances compared to before promotion? Any idea of example teams I can look at?

Huddersfield is a fairly interesting case study:

19/20	Championship	23	0	413,210	17,966
18/19	Premier League	19	0	443,456	23,340
17/18	Premier League	19	1	456,796	24,042
16/17	Championship	23	0	467,887	20,343
15/16	Championship	23	0	290,505	12,631

 

[SBAndy]

Cardiff too:

19/20	Championship	23	0	410,802	17,861
18/19	Premier League	19	0	596,751	31,408
17/18	Championship	23	0	463,772	20,164
16/17	Championship	23	0	380,981	16,564

 

[shmmeee]

Surprising that TBH. Thanks

 

[shmmeee]

Can you give a touch more context? Both of those show bug jumps promotion season. Curious if you take the last season out and go forward a couple post relegation if there’s a difference.

 

[SBAndy]

Can you give a touch more context? Both of those show bug jumps promotion season. Curious if you take the last season out and go forward a couple post relegation if there’s a difference.

Not entirely following your thinking, but both were undermined as the Covid season followed. Can’t really put any value in what comes after chronologically.

 

[hill83]

Cardiff too:

19/20	Championship	23	0	410,802	17,861
18/19	Premier League	19	0	596,751	31,408
17/18	Championship	23	0	463,772	20,164
16/17	Championship	23	0	380,981	16,564

That’s pretty much what I assumed without doing any research.

Doing well in championship - Larger attendance

Premier League - “We’ve made it” obviously big attendance

Relegated to championship - “This is shit” low attendance, lower than before promotion

 

[shmmeee]

Not entirely following your thinking, but both were undermined as the Covid season followed. Can’t really put any value in what comes after chronologically.

I was thinking that teams that go up likely get a crowd boost above the average that season. So rather than looking directly at the season before look at maybe the five before that and the five after relegation.

Dont worry, I’m off having a look myself now I’m interested.

 

[SBAndy]

There’s a lot of variables to take into account though. If you look at Cardiff’s previous visit to the PL their attendance held up ok post relegation vs pre promotion. But they were in a fairly new stadium and that had led a bump in attendance anyway.

 

[tommy hutch legend]

We sold just over 13k last season about 3k kids we have sold 5000 already I’m hopeful that 13000 could go up to 18000+ there will be finance offers I’m sure.

very optomistic if we sell 14000 would be very pleased ps hope ime wrong

 

[croatskyblue]

Because ticket revenue means fuck all in the Prem and we’re likely to go straight down so get people hooked now.

the stats show they don’t tend to get hooked though

we’d just be giving away money, which won’t be happening

 

[Flying Fokker]

We sold just over 13k last season about 3k kids we have sold 5000 already I’m hopeful that 13000 could go up to 18000+ there will be finance offers I’m sure.

Most of the 5k will be existing st holders.

 

[shmmeee]

Most of the 5k will be existing st holders.

And a fair chunk of that 13k will be kids tickets that won’t be renewed. I think we’ll have done well to get the same again on current prices.

 

[Flying Fokker]

That’s pretty much what I assumed without doing any research.

Doing well in championship - Larger attendance

Premier League - “We’ve made it” obviously big attendance

Relegated to championship - “This is shit” low attendance, lower than before promotion

More bad news for Hackney Fox?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Some people dot have much expendable income tbh.

Ive kept the money to the side for the past 3 months but thats £350 i could easily use elsewhere. Getting a new car end of July, could add that to the deposit, having a week in Dorset in August, could use it towards that.

There are a lot of people who have to make choices between things, I was one until a couple of years back, and i feel the club are taking the piss a bit

For a three year old your English skills are incredible.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why on earth would the club want to sell Premier League season tickets at championship prices?

Because PL TV money makes ticket money almost irrelevant. If charging more for ST's mattered so much why have an offer that would have given 5k of them away for free.

Fact is that ticket income is far, far more important in the Championship, so any plan for ST prices should have been focused on the prospect of us being in the Championship.

In the run up to the play-offs and the play-offs themselves there was a huge amount of interest from more people in the club that could have resulted in more ST sales. Maybe they'd have bought on the prospect of seeing PL teams playing, but so what - it's still a sale. Now that we've lost the play-offs and the comedown with it, I think many of those potential new sales have been lost because we weren't waiting to grab that business while the interest was there.

IF Doug has held back on releasing ST's in case he could up the price a bit for PL football, he doesn't understand football revenue streams.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

and?

The aim is still to get as much revenue as possible

Which we will have now failed to do because we have lost out on potential sales while interest was high due to the product not being available to buy. And that revenue would be far more important to us now we're staying in the Championship than if we'd gone up to the PL.

 

[croatskyblue]

Because PL TV money makes ticket money almost irrelevant. If charging more for ST's mattered so much why have an offer that would have given 5k of them away for free.

Fact is that ticket income is far, far more important in the Championship, so any plan for ST prices should have been focused on the prospect of us being in the Championship.

In the run up to the play-offs and the play-offs themselves there was a huge amount of interest from more people in the club that could have resulted in more ST sales. Maybe they'd have bought on the prospect of seeing PL teams playing, but so what - it's still a sale. Now that we've lost the play-offs and the comedown with it, I think many of those potential new sales have been lost because we weren't waiting to grab that business while the interest was there.

IF Doug has held back on releasing ST's in case he could up the price a bit for PL football, he doesn't understand football revenue streams.

if that’s the case and nobody cares about ticket revenue, why does every single premier league club charge so much?

sound background info but not borne out in facts unfortunately

 

[croatskyblue]

Which we will have now failed to do because we have lost out on potential sales while interest was high due to the product not being available to buy. And that revenue would be far more important to us now we're staying in the Championship than if we'd gone up to the PL.

I don’t know why people keep saying this- if people want one they’ll get one, and the delay won’t make a blind bit of difference. A bit of a delay wouldn’t just turn people off

I understand the arguments but there is just zero evidence to support it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

wrong again. Like it or not, the club is trying to get more money in, not keep people happy. They will say the right things of course but the aim is to get revenue as high as possible, and if that pisses people off then within reason so be it

And if, as you seem to be suggesting, the club (DK) has held off releasing ST's in case he could bump up the price for PL football, then they have failed spectacularly in getting more money in as they have lost sales from potential customers that are now no longer interested in buying who were a week or two ago.

 

[croatskyblue]

And if, as you seem to be suggesting, the club (DK) has held off releasing ST's in case he could bump up the price for PL football, then they have failed spectacularly in getting more money in as they have lost sales from potential customers that are now no longer interested in buying who were a week or two ago.

I haven’t suggested anything and I have no clue what the delay is about.

what I am saying is that the delay will make very little difference, and to say “spectacularly” in this context is a bit unhinged.

you said that premier league clubs don’t care about ticket revenue, but then they charge the highest prices on the planet for football matches- what you’re saying doesn’t make sense.

its a touch of hysteria being whipped up on here with no evidence to support it at all. How do you know people now have no interest, is that based on saddlebrains’ half baked anecdotes?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I was thinking that teams that go up likely get a crowd boost above the average that season. So rather than looking directly at the season before look at maybe the five before that and the five after relegation.

Dont worry, I’m off having a look myself now I’m interested.

I wonder if it might be worth looking at things like league position as well?

If a team comes back down but is winning games the attendance will probably hold up a lot better than one which doesn't, and if they struggle after relegation it would only be logical that ticket sales would be lower than the season they went up and were clearly getting good results.

 

[SkyblueDad]

And a fair chunk of that 13k will be kids tickets that won’t be renewed. I think we’ll have done well to get the same again on current prices.

I think you are underestimating the significant rise in interest the last two or three months & it wasn’t just the Wembley thing, I know two or thee getting STs for the first time, but we’ll see.

 

[Cardiff City SC]

Cardiff too:

19/20	Championship	23	0	410,802	17,861
18/19	Premier League	19	0	596,751	31,408
17/18	Championship	23	0	463,772	20,164
16/17	Championship	23	0	380,981	16,564

Cardiff averaged 22,822 the season after relegation from the Premiership

England historical attendance and performance

european-football-statistics.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Looks to me, ignoring any confounding variables im not aware of, that Cardiff got an extra 2-3k on top of the 16k they were getting the two seasons prior. They’d only been relegated a couple of years before that and were still coming down from their last boost.

 

[theferret]

Not sure if it’s been confirmed but I’ve heard that’s not what the plan was/the hold up is.

Obviously prices would rise if we stayed in the Prem, but half the point of a ST early bird discount is you’re buying not sure what you’re getting.

Exactly. Sunderland, Sheffield United, Middlesbrough - they all had season tickets on sale long before they knew what division they would be in, as did we last season.

This idea that the delay was because we were planning to raise prices on the back of promotion, as though this is normal, when there is no example of that ever happening before anywhere else, is a bit weird.

 

[Nobbie_67]

How vague is that?!


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[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Exactly. Sunderland, Sheffield United, Middlesbrough - they all had season tickets on sale long before they knew what division they would be in, as did we last season.

This idea that the delay was because we were planning to raise prices on the back of promotion, as though this is normal, when there is no example of that ever happening before anywhere else, is a bit weird.

Yes indeed it just doesn't make sense.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

This is unacceptable, I am away next week....