Out of interest. Is it one of those things that you can joke with them about or is it off bounds?
I assume (and I may be wrong!) it's actually more sympathetic and making more of a point than that. It's showing how picking an arbitrary case to make a wider judgement about a particular group is not on.What has this got to do with the thread?
I wasn’t going to get involved, but one of my best mates is at the early stages of a sex change or whatever you call it now and he/she would kick the living fucking daylights out of a peado.
So again. What does your link have to do with the thread?
Can't imagine how it would be if one of my mates went through that. I guess if they are going through the actual change its not a case of them chucking a wig on and trying to blag it. It's been thought about properly!Early stages to be fair. Its been known and spoke about for a few years but only recently has it fully gone ahead. I still struggle with saying “She” rather than “He” as it’s a big change. But overall it is what is is.
There is still banter.
I’ve made a point that I’ll still be using the same nickname I’ve used since we were young. Which is only surname related but very much a male type of nickname.
What has this got to do with the thread?
I wasn’t going to get involved, but one of my best mates is at the early stages of a sex change or whatever you call it now and he/she would kick the living fucking daylights out of a peado.
So again. What does your link have to do with the thread?
Of course not every one who wants to change from a male to a female will be into kids.I presumed the point being made is that peado and trans don't go hand in hand. I've followed the self ID issue quite a lot over the past 6 months and quite often the two seem to get lumped together which isn't right.
Can't imagine how it would be if one of my mates went through that. I guess if they are going through the actual change its not a case of them chucking a wig on and trying to blag it. It's been thought about properly!
We would usually just rip the piss out of each other about anything we could, it would be a bit strange as somebody would end up saying something trying to be funny and it going down like a lead balloon.
I assume (and I may be wrong!) it's actually more sympathetic and making more of a point than that. It's showing how picking an arbitrary case to make a wider judgement about a particular group is not on.
(Watch it be the case that they actually believe that all football kitmen are sex offenders now!)
I presumed the point being made is that peado and trans don't go hand in hand. I've followed the self ID issue quite a lot over the past 6 months and quite often the two seem to get lumped together which isn't right.
Exactly that: a poster provided to a link to a green party report into the wrongful action of a transsexual who sought to provide her father, who'd been arrested for sex crimes, with a party role. It had nothing to do with this thread but was instead an attempt to smear and tar all who self-identify as the gender opposite to their assigned sex.
I don't believe that just because a CCFC employer engaged in sex crimes that, by inference, all those who support CCFC condone sex crimes.
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It isn't that people who are trans are more likely to be sex offenders. It's that people who are likely to be sex offenders have in some cases used concepts like self ID to further their aims.I presumed the point being made is that peado and trans don't go hand in hand. I've followed the self ID issue quite a lot over the past 6 months and quite often the two seem to get lumped together which isn't right.
You can try change the subject in order to divert what you posted, but it doesn't make any difference.
Wouldn't waste my time mate, you seem to struggle enough with not knowing the difference between sex and gender. For what's worth, being transgender is shit – I wouldn’t wish it on anybody; but I don't need it made more shit by running into some of the stuff I find on here. I can deal with the hate posts like that from the likes of fernandopartridge and Captain Dart: it's the misinformed nonsense that's written that drives me to distraction. I'm 59, and have been trying to understand why I am as I am since I was 16, when I used to go the old central library (next to the old cathedral) to hunt down medical books. What I know from my time 12 years studying and lecturing in physiology, bio-psychology and cognitive neuroscience is that, as the years go by, the predictions of Daniel Kahneman (noble prize winner in behavioural economics) that science would show that 70% of what we are is determined by our genes, looks to be increasingly true.
Going to Plymouth next week, just hope I don't run into the type of twats I sometime do that make me wonder if I should just stop going.
From my post, earlier in the thread
The problem, as always, is the extremes. On one hand you have the politically correct, radical transgender lobby; on the other the politically wrong, radical feminists. Ironically, the latter's position of 'trans-exclusion' from womens spaces is premised on the argument that gender is a social construct. Either way, from what I see, both groups have deep, personal issues that they project on to each other.
Exactly that: a poster provided to a link to a green party report into the wrongful action of a transsexual who sought to provide her father, who'd been arrested for sex crimes, with a party role. It had nothing to do with this thread but was instead an attempt to smear and tar all who self-identify as the gender opposite to their assigned sex.
I don't believe that just because a CCFC employer engaged in sex crimes that, by inference, all those who support CCFC condone sex crimes.
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This sort of thing is wrong. How is a child supposed to grow up not knowing what they are of should be?
This sort of thing is wrong. How is a child supposed to grow up not knowing what they are of should be?
And yes I do know the difference. I know someone who is/was hermaphrodite. Her parents let her grow up with letting her be what she felt was best. But she only let those that she trusted know. It took her until she was in her 20's to totally decide although she more or less always knew.
Here you have a child that is a boy but dressed to look like a girl. Of course young children are very impressionable. So why risk putting them through the pain of deciding when if brought up normally as a boy everything would have been normal.
Yes give help to those who need it. But it isn't a competition to make up more genders/names. Many people seem to do it for their 10 minutes of fame. They should consider those who struggle every day and get ridiculed because of those who find it fun.
So how should gay people be seen to act? I have several friends who are gay. Some act like the sex they are. Some don't. But the point you are trying to put across makes it sound as though something is wrong somewhere.Equally, the issue for the medicalisation of transgenderism is that it enforces the view that males and females should act in a way that is culturally stereotypical of their sex. On this, I’m actuslly on the side of the trans exclusionary radical feminists.
This sort of thing is wrong. How is a child supposed to grow up not knowing what they are of should be?
And yes I do know the difference. I know someone who is/was hermaphrodite. Her parents let her grow up with letting her be what she felt was best. But she only let those that she trusted know. It took her until she was in her 20's to totally decide although she more or less always knew.
Here you have a child that is a boy but dressed to look like a girl. Of course young children are very impressionable. So why risk putting them through the pain of deciding when if brought up normally as a boy everything would have been normal.
Yes give help to those who need it. But it isn't a competition to make up more genders/names. Many people seem to do it for their 10 minutes of fame. They should consider those who struggle every day and get ridiculed because of those who find it fun.
@shimmeee No, I am not missing the argument.
I think the problem here is that the topic moved from one of self id to the association of sex crimes to a daughter of someone who’d committed sex crimes, with the interference this brings.
The thread then also started to slide into puerile postings of a banana type level, scatterred with the usual confusion and ignorance (e.g. sex vs gender, definition of tanssexusl etc ).
I replied to the self id argument way back in this thread in which I recognised the difficulties of self id for society; but I pointed out that the example used to highlight the problem actually described a case in which the person had been medically ‘diagnosed’ as transgender (read: medically sanctioned, as its currently impossible to disgnosie transgenderism).
The point made was that whether a person undergoes medical review in their transgenderism or not, people who commit sex crimes will always find a way to do this.
Only an individual can say if experience gender dysphoria. Self id can be problmstic in ithat if a person of a particular sex feels more comfortable with a gender culturally associated with the opposite sex, then they need to think carefully about how their actions play out in that culture, and act and behave accordingly.
Equally, the issue for the medicalisation of transgenderism is that it enforces the view that males and females should act in a way that is culturally stereotypical of their sex. On this, I’m actuslly on the side of the trans exclusionary radical feminists.
I also believe and hope that in the future fewer transgender people will feel compelled to have GRS simply to protect their idenity from societal expectations and cultual norms.
It’s an incredibly complex subject, philosophically, politically, medically; and tbh I’m bored of. I simply joined the thread initially to point out the (ironic) mistake made in associating a particular sex crime case with self id, and then later because of the hate posts, Lets not let them get away with that by falling for the deflections that have been since thrown up.
Not exactly correctHermaphroditism doesn’t exist in humans.
You likely knew someone with a Disorder of Sexual Development, commonly known as intersex. It’s about 0.02% of the population that can’t easily be classified as male or female and a separate issue to transgenderism.
Having read this post I concede that I've made some poor posts on this thread.@shimmeee No, I am not missing the argument.
I think the problem here is that the topic moved from one of self id to the association of sex crimes to a daughter of someone who’d committed sex crimes, with the interference this brings.
The thread then also started to slide into puerile postings of a banana type level, scatterred with the usual confusion and ignorance (e.g. sex vs gender, definition of tanssexusl etc ).
I replied to the self id argument way back in this thread in which I recognised the difficulties of self id for society; but I pointed out that the example used to highlight the problem actually described a case in which the person had been medically ‘diagnosed’ as transgender (read: medically sanctioned, as its currently impossible to disgnosie transgenderism).
The point made was that whether a person undergoes medical review in their transgenderism or not, people who commit sex crimes will always find a way to do this.
Only an individual can say if experience gender dysphoria. Self id can be problmstic in ithat if a person of a particular sex feels more comfortable with a gender culturally associated with the opposite sex, then they need to think carefully about how their actions play out in that culture, and act and behave accordingly.
Equally, the issue for the medicalisation of transgenderism is that it enforces the view that males and females should act in a way that is culturally stereotypical of their sex. On this, I’m actuslly on the side of the trans exclusionary radical feminists.
I also believe and hope that in the future fewer transgender people will feel compelled to have GRS simply to protect their idenity from societal expectations and cultual norms.
It’s an incredibly complex subject, philosophically, politically, medically; and tbh I’m bored of. I simply joined the thread initially to point out the (ironic) mistake made in associating a particular sex crime case with self id, and then later because of the hate posts, Lets not let them get away with that by falling for the deflections that have been since thrown up.
[above was typed on the train on an iphone 5 without me glasses, so excuse the typos!)
You don't belong on this board with responses like thatHaving read this post I concede that I've made some poor posts on this thread.
Ouch?Sizzle?
But where's their risk assessment for working at height??!Hate to think what is going to happen to Ratatouille's Remy, no matter how brilliant he is at slicing aubergines.
I have also heard that Rapunzel is starting to rot away in that tower as she turns away all the male prince suitors and waits for her raging lesbian in shining dungarees to rescue her.
Eh?!?Seriously, well fook off and ban me then
who were you replying to?Eh?!?
yeh, that about sums it.
I can only assume you're ignoring fernandopartridge!who were you replying to?
Very much agree.
Hermaphroditism doesn't exist in humans in the truest sense that can be be found in other parts of the animal world, though the term was used to classify intersex conditions before the latter, more politically correct term was adopted. I admit I haven't looked for the stats, but that figure looks low, as it intersex includes mixed karotypes: 1 in 500 males is XXY.
I'm genuinely confused by the post - and I not trying to incite - it's almost as if I'm damned in whatever I say and write! I guess that's the nature of internet forums and the exchange of written words rather than a fluid exchange of thoughts, ideas and opinions.
What I was trying to say that if the male person self-identifies as female then there are certain social situations in which they need to consider how their presence is felt so that others are not made to feel ill at ease. The more extreme example would be: should they attend a women's refuge? (I think possibly not: it depends on the other women, I think).
I'm not at all saying that transgender folk should be anything other than themselves in the right place at the right time. Invariably, it's always the 'interesting' people that fill the papers. I can't say I've cared for or had much to do with the 'alternative' scene, but the few fellow travellers I know are all very down to earth types who recognise their uniqueness in actually straddling both sides of the divides rather than occupying a single space.
One of my mates at work is gay: when we go outside for a smoke he's as camp as can be. I don't expect him to be camping it up quite so much when we're in a senior management meeting discussing why the latest IT project is going down the pan.
The second part of your email seemed a bit like a non-sequitur, but maybe I didn't quite catch your drift. But I think I agree: invariably, anybody with an agenda to push is a turn off. Most folk just want to get on with their quiet lives.
I don't wish you ill, but I do mean you offence.
You see, your problem is that you are so full of hate that you fail to stop to read posts and to assimilate what is being said: and, as you appear incapable of holding discussion and debate when challenged on a point, you choose instead to find something else to throw at the person, even if you don't know quite what you've stumbled upon and how it fits with anything.
Right from my post on page three I explained, as I have explained once more, that transgender folk need to consider how they act, behave and use societal spaces.
And by the way, I don't need anybody to do me favours: radical trans-activists no more speak for me than Conchita Wurst does for hipsters.
As for radical feminists, this is simply a defining perspective among feminists, just as someone might describe themselves as 'far-left'. It's not a derogatory term, it's simply a political term, just as you might distinguish neo-liberals from liberal democrats. You missed a trick though, I had described them as trans exclusionary RF's which indeed is a derogatory term, and which I lazily used to identify one particular radical feminist group.
And as I have pointed out, whilst many of the radical feminists (such as Julie Binden) appear to have as many personal demons as do the radical trans activists, I actually have a lot of time for their (the feminists') core premise in the debate; though I expect that one, like all of the other intelligent points made by contributors to this thread, also flew right over yours and Grendel's head, just like a Chaplin penalty).
Hope I never see you around.
Jareth Nebula might live on earth but he firmly believes he belongs on another planet.
The 33-year-old, who was born a woman but transitioned to become a man when he was 29, now believes he doesn't fit into any human gender and is, in fact, an alien.
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