Shadowy Coventry sports bodies, a City of Rugby & squeeze on CCFC (1 Viewer)

mrangry · Jun 15, 2016

We should be asking all sorts of questions like what is the difference from moving the sky blues 35 miles to Northampton
and the insects 84 miles to Coventry plus they are owned by a hedge fund just like sisu I just don't understand it...

tim07 · Jun 15, 2016

Les 'i only spout uncorroborated bullshit' Reid? Dickhead.

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Ian1779 · Jun 15, 2016

tim07 said:
Les 'i only spout uncorroborated bullshit' Reid? Dickhead.

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Think you've mistaken him for Simon Gilbert

Mr T - Sukka! · Jun 15, 2016

Coventry a city of Rugby? Sorry but fuck off. Not only is this insulting but it makes us sound like we are tagging onto the town Rugby.

I cannot believe they come up with this crap.

Skyblueweeman · Jun 15, 2016

Moorcroft has always come across as a decent bloke in the media to be fair to him.

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Skyblueweeman · Jun 15, 2016

tim07 said:
Les 'i only spout uncorroborated bullshit' Reid? Dickhead.

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Evening Simon. How's the book sales going?

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tim07 · Jun 15, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Unacceptable. If the RFU want to fund additional promotion of Rugby that’s OK, if the FA want to fund additional promotion of Football that's OK.
CCC money should be dealt out evenly in proportion to a sports popularity and participation levels.

Really? How much money has CCC put into 'city of Rugby' and what is your source? Link please.

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torchomatic · Jun 15, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Evening Simon. How's the book sales going?

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He hasn't finished it yet apparently!

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Captain Dart · Jun 15, 2016

tim07 said:
Really? How much money has CCC put into 'city of Rugby' and what is your source? Link please.

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I don't know, indeed what is CCC budget for each sport?

You tell me why CCC will not provide a detailed breakdown in answer to this FOI someone made requesting this information a few months back.
http://www.coventry.gov.uk/downloads/file/20290/req00738

And why is the information about pitches no longer available on the link provided in the answer?

Skyblueweeman · Jun 15, 2016

torchomatic said:
He hasn't finished it yet apparently!

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Didn't read the article as I had a late day at work today but has read something about it being the book. Thought it was already complete!

Surely it'll just be all his articles, slightly reworded?

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Moff · Jun 15, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Didn't read the article as I had a late day at work today but has read something about it being the book. Thought it was already complete!

Surely it'll just be all his articles, slightly reworded?
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No just pictures, drawn with his favourite crayons!

tim07 · Jun 15, 2016

Thanks for this Captain.
The bald figures don't really say a lot...but the amounts look fairly small and reducing, not too surprisingly.
A breakdown would help to understand it, of course.
As it I can't see a figure earmarked for or invested directly in rugby.
I know what you,mean about the pitch asset listing, I've hit this dead link myself.
It used to be there.

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armybike · Jun 15, 2016

Captain Dart said:
And why is the information about pitches no longer available on the link provided in the answer?

http://covsport.org.uk/search-results?search=Playing+pitch+strategy&id=9

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 15, 2016

Captain Dart said:
And why is the information about pitches no longer available on the link provided in the answer?

armybike said:
http://covsport.org.uk/search-results?search=Playing+pitch+strategy&id=9

tbf, it's not beyond some hired goon to change a link without realising it's in use elsewhere, without an ulterior motive.

(I might have been that hired goon in other circumstances!)

Captain Dart · Jun 15, 2016

Thanks for finding the pitch info. I'll take a look presently.

shy_tall_knight · Jun 15, 2016

E-mail sent to Kevin Maton earlier - made me feel better

Hi Kevin, following the latest Coventry Observer article how do you feel as a supposed Coventry City FC fan, when you are told that Coventry is to be a city of rugby. In 1987 250,000 citizens of Coventry celebrated the FA cup win, had WASPS won the Rugby Premiership title this year I doubt there would have been any significant celebration in the city. Rugby has never been a significant spectator sport in Coventry. You as part of the council may have helped to import the WASPs franchise to Coventry and I hope that despite the council’s active promotion of WASPS and all things rugby, that the council isn’t deliberately squeezing out the football club to achieve the city of rugby aims.

shy_tall_knight · Jun 15, 2016

Sent to my local councillor earlier

Hi John I hope that you are well, as my local councillor I feel I need to raise an issue that I am finding unfair. I am a devoted Coventry City FC fan but also played rugby at school and passively follow the sport. The latest Coventry Observer article regarding – “Coventry – City of Rugby” & the Coventry Sports Network, who seem to be in collaboration with Coventry City Council promoting rugby. Whilst I have no objection to external bodies promoting their own ventures I am concerned that a minority sport should be given such preference by the council and with decisions being taken by an unelected quango, with limited transparency.

I hope you are able to challenge the concept of a “city of rugby” and that it should not be promoted by a local authority who already have other existing sports clubs that are not rugby.

stupot07 · Jun 15, 2016

armybike said:
http://covsport.org.uk/search-results?search=Playing+pitch+strategy&id=9

Page 21 higgs centre

Current status:
Contains five adult football pitches and one 3G AGP of
standard quality having being built in 2004. It is a key site for
delivery of disability football.
Also contains four netball courts of poor quality which have
declined over the last three years.

Recommendations:
Retain as a priority site. Ensure sinking fund is in
place for the future replacement of the AGP carpet.
Seek funding opportunities to improve the quality of
the netball courts in order to ensure continued
future use of the site for competitive netball.

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tim07 · Jun 16, 2016

armybike said:
http://covsport.org.uk/search-results?search=Playing+pitch+strategy&id=9

Nice one, well found Armybike. Another poke in the eye for the conspiracy theorists....

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dongonzalos · Jun 16, 2016

So are we now thinking this is all happening with the hope of a change of ownership.

Or

Is it just pure and simple we can't work with SISU so let's move on without them regardless of what happens to CCFC?

shy_tall_knight · Jun 16, 2016

Or lets use the hatred of CCFC's owners to promote another sport and an external club at the expense of CCFC and football

Astute · Jun 16, 2016

dongonzalos said:
So are we now thinking this is all happening with the hope of a change of ownership.

Or

Is it just pure and simple we can't work with SISU so let's move on without them regardless of what happens to CCFC?

Or

They saw an opportunity to take over our stadium on the cheap. Now they see an opportunity to take over our academies home where the uneducated will blame SISU leaving them in the clear.

dongonzalos · Jun 16, 2016

Astute said:
Or

They saw an opportunity to take over our stadium on the cheap. Now they see an opportunity to take over our academies home where the uneducated will blame SISU leaving them in the clear.

I am talking about the suggestion of the collusion by all the other parties
Wasps are been smart I don't think there is anybody who can't see what they are doing.
And sorry Astute the door was kicked open by SISU to allow Wasps to do it.
So are the others supposed to be colluding in this as they hope it will force a new ownership.
Or have they just decided they can't work with SISU?

Astute · Jun 16, 2016

dongonzalos said:
I am talking about the suggestion of the collusion by all the other parties
Wasps are been smart I don't thing there is anybody who can't see what they are doing.
And sorry Astute the door was locked open by SISU to allow Wasps to do it.
So are the others supposed to be colluding in this as they hope it will force a new ownership.
Or have they just decided they can't work with SISU?

Don't you read much on here? Many can't see what Wasps are up to. And others are trying to divert away from it.

Have you ever seen me say any different to SISU giving the chance for Wasps to get the arena? I said that it could well happen as soon as the news broke about us going to Northampton.

Nick · Jun 16, 2016

dongonzalos said:
I am talking about the suggestion of the collusion by all the other parties
Wasps are been smart I don't thing there is anybody who can't see what they are doing.
And sorry Astute the door was locked open by SISU to allow Wasps to do it.
So are the others supposed to be colluding in this as they hope it will force a new ownership.
Or have they just decided they can't work with SISU?

So they all just individually decided at the same time? They all happen to be working together on things in different areas too.

I think it is slightly more than a co-incidence.

Captain Dart · Jun 16, 2016

Astute said:
Have you ever seen me say any different to SISU giving the chance for Wasps to get the arena? I said that it could well happen as soon as the news broke about us going to Northampton.

Whereas other self proclaimed smarter posters talked somewhat about white elephants and declared there was no other game in town.

torchomatic · Jun 16, 2016

Still surprised by the lack of activity on this thread,

Astute · Jun 16, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Whereas other self proclaimed smarter posters talked somewhat about white elephants and declared there was no other game in town.

That is the problem. Sometimes you can see more with your ears and a mind of your own than your eyes. Yes SISU were to blame then. But you can't blame them for everything since. If that was the case SISU wouldn't be to blame for anything as it would all be the fault of Richardson.

Astute · Jun 16, 2016

torchomatic said:
Still surprised by the lack of activity on this thread,

Maybe those wanting to blame SISU for everything can see that they might as well wait until those that can see what has been going on are all busy

shy_tall_knight · Jun 16, 2016

Truely believe that this is very much based on personality clashes, well educated and indepedently wealthy people at Higgs, socialist (!!) councillors at CCC, well educated senior employees at CCC v hedge fund mentality of SISU, perception is everything, SISU's battering people in court, looking to make a fast buck etc.. its probably no different to WASPS owner but its the way SISU have acted it clearly upset the other parties. whether SISU have been wronged or not, it looks like the other parties are unwilling to deal with them.

armybike · Jun 16, 2016

torchomatic said:
Still surprised by the lack of activity on this thread,

Yep, a post at SBT where the some comments aren't yet again being regurgitated is surprising.

torchomatic · Jun 16, 2016

http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2016/news/weekly-urges-city-to-save-football-academy-from-closure/

oldskyblue58 · Jun 16, 2016

whilst I am all for making things transparent all these links and such were hardly shadowy - you just had to look its all on public record, the majority is filed at Companies House and can be accessed by anyone for free, https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/

Bottom line is we still need a solution and from what I can see we are moving further away from any hope of that daily - battering people in the papers from either side does not help
(a) save the academy
(b) move our club forward

dongonzalos · Jun 16, 2016

Nick said:
So they all just individually decided at the same time? They all happen to be working together on things in different areas too.

I think it is slightly more than a co-incidence.

Didn't say that I asked you why they are all supposedly working together?
Are we saying its to get SISU out or is it simply they feel they can no longer work with them and are moving forward without them?

dongonzalos · Jun 16, 2016

Astute said:
Don't you read much on here? Many can't see what Wasps are up to. And others are trying to divert away from it.

Have you ever seen me say any different to SISU giving the chance for Wasps to get the arena? I said that it could well happen as soon as the news broke about us going to Northampton.

Agree but I am now asking why are we suggesting they are now all colluding. For what aim?

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