Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
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Thanks for you input.
Realy? I don't think you know what you're talking about pal, sound like you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
They want the Ricoh to be able to recoup the money they've supposedly 'invested', nowt to do with the football club, that's just a means to an end.
Where does it state that CCC would welcome another stadium? I think you will find it would be denied on the grounds of Sustainability, Ecological and Environment issues - bearing in mind that public money has been used in the building of The Ricoh, I would suggest that the Government would support any decision that CCC planning may come to on the above grounds.
Past ACL offers are exactly that PAST - we are talking about the hear and now, FFP will come into play if we are to get promoted to the the prem - you do not know what the new stadium will or will not have - unless you have seen the plans? so I think you are unable to comment on what income stream may or may not be available to CCFC going forward.
The obvious solution to me is that CCFC move on with the new ground and get away from all this nonsense and leave ACL/CCC to do what they think is best with a 30000 seat football arena - with no team.
I'm not being patronising. Talking about ACL "selling the Ricoh" shows a massive ignorance of the core issues.
So a new ground can't be built in Coventry due to having another one so close, but one can be built 2.2 miles away?
Try telling the numerous cities in this country with 2 stadiums of that size that you can't do it.
Where does it state that CCC would welcome another stadium? I think you will find it would be denied on the grounds of Sustainability, Ecological and Environment issues - bearing in mind that public money has been used in the building of The Ricoh, I would suggest that the Government would support any decision that CCC planning may come to on the above grounds.
Past ACL offers are exactly that PAST - we are talking about the hear and now, FFP will come into play if we are to get promoted to the the prem - you do not know what the new stadium will or will not have - unless you have seen the plans? so I think you are unable to comment on what income stream may or may not be available to CCFC going forward.
The obvious solution to me is that CCFC move on with the new ground and get away from all this nonsense and leave ACL/CCC to do what they think is best with a 30000 seat football arena - with no team.
Think the Trust need to pressure N&B council.
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If they have just ignored the request then some pressure needs to be put on them, might be worth contacting Nuneaton Town as they might not be happy with SISU moving us into Nuneaton and may also put some pressure on the council.
Will you Fuck Off with this Nuneaton shit.
If I'm reading the reports correctly a summary is, Nuneaton and Bedworth haven't said yes or no to an approach, so people are assuming yes. Based on this yes assumption, a bare piece of land has been spotted, and the Telegraph are suggesting that (self generated) speculation is mounting that this might be the place for a new ground. SISU aren't commenting.
So compared to the position we were in last week, we only know for fact that all the Councils that have replied have said no approach has been made.
an enquiry has been made by a developer to Council officers, however this was of a very speculative nature and at an early stage. Since that initial exploratory contact we have received no further approach and we are therefore not considering any proposal for any particular location.
So they've spoken to N&B council but nothing has happened since. That seems at odds with Labovich and Fisher banging on about the councils in question falling over themselves in excitement at how much money this would bring in for them and wanting economic assesments. You could almost say SISU have been talking a load of BS and none of it is true.
So add N&B to the list yesterday of local council areas where the new stadium isn't going to be located and we're not left with much.
I can't believe that Timothy has been blustering again :jerkit:
So you're agreeing with me than that SISU have made no attempt to locate the stadium in the city. Why would it be denied on the ground of sustainability, ecological and Environment issues and could you also explain why this issues only relate to Coventry and not to anywhere in the 'Coventry area' or indeed in the rest of the country where other clubs seem able to build grounds in the location they take the name from, even in cities where there are exisiting grounds.
This makes little sense. It is reasonable to suggest that any past offer would still be valid. Here's a radical idea, why doesn't someone from SISU phone up ACL and ask if the offer is still available. Why haven't they done that? It's almost as if they aren't interested. What reason could there possibly be for not accepting the short term offer currently on the table if they really are going to build a new stadium. You mention FFP, how do the figures stack up playing the next 5 years or more at Sixfields?
We've seen an artists impression so are you saying that has no relation to what will be in the plans because I can see no facilities on the artists impression that would generate non matchday incomes at a level comparable to the Ricoh. Seems a bit strange that you can state we need these income streams yet when challenged you state I can't comment on them as I don't know what they will be!
If it's obvious maybe you could explain it. How is it better to spend tens of millions on a new stadium yet not make an offer to buy the Ricoh. Can you explain how CCFC will be better off financially paying back loans from SISU related companies (the interest on these loans is already more annually than the rent at the Ricoh ever was), can you explain where the funding is coming from and the ownership structure. How many years will it be until we are better off financially than we would have been through purchasing ACL, remember to take into account the millions being lost while we play at Sixfields.
The easiest way I can respond to the above points is with this one statement - CCFC and ACL/CCC will not do business together - bridges have been badly burnt, it is that simple, SISU own CCFC so I guess its down to them what they decide to do - all I want is to move on and have a successful club, if it takes moving then so be it.
The easiest way I can respond to the above points is with this one statement - CCFC and ACL/CCC will not do business together - bridges have been badly burnt, it is that simple, SISU own CCFC so I guess its down to them what they decide to do - all I want is to move on and have a successful club, if it takes moving then so be it.
Well ACL and CCC are both clearly happy to do business with SISU so you can then only draw one conclusion and that is to place blame with SISU. In the grown up world when you have disputes with people you draw a line under them and move on. SISU seem incapable of doing this, if they could there is every chance we'd be back at the Ricoh in a matter of weeks, at the very least for next season.
Of course that assumes they actually want to do business and aren't just trying to force ACL out of business or force CCC to hand the freehold over for next to nothing.
£400,000 rent was put on the table a reduction of 70% and sisu walked awayI am not to convinced that ACL/CCC are both happy to business with SISU, unless it is of course on their terms. Blame SISU - well that comment sums it up, all parties have contributed to this mess - including the fans in my opinion, to blame one party is ridiculous - after all was it not ACL that charged us £1.4 Million in rent, and would still be if the club had not walked. I agree that they should all restart talks, but while the current decision makers from all sides are involved this will not happen - too much animosity around - we are currently in one hell of a Mexican standoff.
I am not to convinced that ACL/CCC are both happy to business with SISU, unless it is of course on their terms. Blame SISU - well that comment sums it up, all parties have contributed to this mess - including the fans in my opinion, to blame one party is ridiculous - after all was it not ACL that charged us £1.4 Million in rent, and would still be if the club had not walked. I agree that they should all restart talks, but while the current decision makers from all sides are involved this will not happen - too much animosity around - we are currently in one hell of a Mexican standoff.
I am not to convinced that ACL/CCC are both happy to business with SISU, unless it is of course on their terms. Blame SISU - well that comment sums it up, all parties have contributed to this mess - including the fans in my opinion, to blame one party is ridiculous - after all was it not ACL that charged us £1.4 Million in rent, and would still be if the club had not walked. I agree that they should all restart talks, but while the current decision makers from all sides are involved this will not happen - too much animosity around - we are currently in one hell of a Mexican standoff.
I agree that bridges have been burned. As agreed with by Timothy. But it is SISUE that used the matches. ACL have still left the door open. But you will still try and disagree with this.
Who was it that agreed the high rent in the first place? Was it not ccfc? Acl offered them a sliding rent and the club refused.
The sliding rent was also unacceptable to the club - so they have agreed to walk away and build a new stadium CCFC see this as the only sustainable option for the club to be able to move forward and be successful, not sure what the problem is with this, it's their club and it's their decision.
all well and good if they are going to build a new stadium, they need to get cracking, if not get packing.The sliding rent was also unacceptable to the club - so they have agreed to walk away and build a new stadium CCFC see this as the only sustainable option for the club to be able to move forward and be successful, not sure what the problem is with this, it's their club and it's their decision.
The sliding rent was also unacceptable to the club - so they have agreed to walk away and build a new stadium CCFC see this as the only sustainable option for the club to be able to move forward and be successful, not sure what the problem is with this, it's their club and it's their decision.
To be clear I was not saying I blame SISU 100%, I was making a conslusion from someone elses statement.
Saying that forget what's happened in the past and look at the present. There's no point people banging on about Richardson or what Mutton said when he was leader of the council. At present you have ACL saying they want to draw a line under the dispute and get back round the table, including making offers of a temporary deal. You have the council saying they are open to any type of offer. Then you have SISU saying they can't deal with the council or ACL. To me that's pretty clear where the blame lies at this present time. If CCC and ACL are bluffing then SISU should call their bluff, they need to do something to get the fans back onside.
so they have agreed to walk away and build a new stadium
Sisu aren't building jack,they want the ricoh for peanuts and hopefully they wont get it.
Do you believe in the tooth fairy?
all well and good if they are going to build a new stadium, they need to get cracking, if not get packing.
CCFC - Want to purchase The Ricoh.
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