SkyBlueDom26
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What so you’re happy with people who have joined isis to come back here then?
What so you’re happy with people who have joined isis to come back here then?Dangerous road. “Terrorist” might seem well defined to you with modern Islamic terror, but it’s not. It’s basically “anyone the government doesn’t like”. Could be views about the environment or white nationalism or whatever you feel strongly enough about to attempt to disrupt normal every day working for.
Big statement to say anyone who feels strongly about something to that extent should be automatically stateless.
What so you’re happy with people who have joined isis to come back here then?
Oh dear, I’m hoping you are on the wind upHonestly? Yeah. We’re big boys and have a legal and prison system I trust. Why not?
Oh dear
other countries? Mate are you thick she left here to go thereAlso, why should other countries pick up our shit?
other countries? Mate are you thick she left here to go there
If only we knew had been in charge to oversee this shambles for the last 10 years.Shamima or none of the others that fucked off to join isis should be allowed back anywhere near this country to appeal anything, the system is broken and an embarrassment
No, you're talking shit and I called you out. Prick
The shit that shmmeee is coming out with is more worryingThat's not an argument.
The fact we're even having one is worrying though.
Isis isn’t a country - and their ‘state’ is being driven out of the country they have occupied.other countries? Mate are you thick she left here to go there
Who should clean up Britain’s mess Dom? Who is our Mummy?
That's not an argument.
The fact we're even having one is worrying though.
I don’t get it. If all these right wingers want a country without democracy and rule of law and that isn’t responsible on an international stage, why don’t they fuck off and find one?
And they talk about the left hating Britain.
They want us to be more like ISIS.I don’t get it. If all these right wingers want a country without democracy and rule of law and that isn’t responsible on an international stage, why don’t they fuck off and find one?
And they talk about the left hating Britain.
Mate people that chose to go and join a terrorist organisation should be automatically classed as stateless, she chose to do them things so for her to now be able to try and come back is a fucking insult
These kind of cases are a muddle. Why Dave keeps bringing up an act which can’t be used in this case and never Really has - and is as much against civil liberty than removing citizenship - I have no idea
People can’t be stateless. The issue is it’s virtually impossible to put a criminal case together
Should she be allowed to return - yes
Should she receive uk support to enable a return - no
Should she be arrested on return yes
If not tried should she be given protection - no and her whereabouts should be available to the general public
The choice is then hers
If you can sit through that Iraq documentary on iPlayer and still say we're not in a mess wholly of our own causing then I really don't understand how your mind works.
You're getting that reaction for being a moron with an agendaHit a sore nerve here. Can't say some of you didn't deserve it. If I was wrong then I doubt I would have got such a reaction.
Most of that makes sense apart from the bit about her whereabouts being made available to the general public, assume you just mean she retains her birth identity?These kind of cases are a muddle. Why Dave keeps bringing up an act which can’t be used in this case and never Really has - and is as much against civil liberty than removing citizenship - I have no idea
People can’t be stateless. The issue is it’s virtually impossible to put a criminal case together
Should she be allowed to return - yes
Should she receive uk support to enable a return - no
Should she be arrested on return yes
If not tried should she be given protection - no and her whereabouts should be available to the general public
The choice is then hers
You're getting that reaction for being a moron with an agenda
Ok, here is my opinion:
ISIS is bad
ISIS terrorists have no place in western society
Islamic grooming gangs are bad
Islamic grooming gangs have no place in western society*
*(or any society for that matter)
So why is it that victims of Islamic grooming gangs are constantly abused, and why is it that certain authorities and the left love to try and cover it up or deflect? These girls have been gang raped, bullied, tortured, in some cases murdered, and then told their lives basically mean nothing. Tell me I'm wrong on that, because there is plenty of evidence to prove that is the case. Even though so many on here deny it.
Now, Shamima Begum. She left the UK to go and be a ISIS bride, where her 'husband' murdered people. In fact, I could post videos right now of Yazidi girls in cages being burned alive by her husband. Depending on what you believe, she had some involvement in that and also took part in some other killings too. This is a girl who has no apologies about joining this organisation and says that the killings were justified.
The left find it uncomfortable to cover the first paragraph, but on the second love to whip up a load of bullshit about how due to certain laws she must be allowed back. 'Islamic State isn't a country so she has to be allowed back' is my personal favourite.
I could be a little bit more forgiving if those certain people (they can be found everywhere, not just on SBT) followed it up with saying how much of a monster she was or that they hope she would burn for all eternity, but largely they don't. There is certainly a large undercurrent which links those people with the ones that actively say she should be allowed back to live a normal life. The only difference is that those people are actually stupid enough to openly say it.
As is so often on here, a debate cannot be had, so I'm not really interested in spending a lifetime arguing on this thread. It's pretty obvious the angle that some people come from and it is pretty obvious if what I was saying had no truth in whatsoever that it would largely be ignored. Certain people have been called out and they don't like it.
Ok, here is my opinion:
ISIS is bad
ISIS terrorists have no place in western society
Islamic grooming gangs are bad
Islamic grooming gangs have no place in western society*
*(or any society for that matter)
I can agree with all of those things and still believe we should not leave her stateless if it breaks the law to do so.
I also agree with all of those things and still be convinced that you're a racist.
Grendels opinion on this is similar to mine and others, do you think he's from the left or just that he understands how a democratic country needs to function?
Ok, so you don't like what I say so therefore I'm a racist? Please point out why you think I'm a racist and present your evidence forward.
That's an incredible accusation and one of a man that knows his argument is beat.
Just so you know the first grooming gang that was brought down was in Rotherham, arguably this also blew open and exposed the whole culture of grooming gangs amongst sections of Muslim men. This happened because of the tireless work of lefty labour MP and member of Corbyns shadow cabinet, Sarah Champion. The Tories were in government at the time and had been for some years. If it wasn’t for the lefties who you seem intent on blaming for this it may well still be happening under the righties watch.Ok, here is my opinion:
ISIS is bad
ISIS terrorists have no place in western society
Islamic grooming gangs are bad
Islamic grooming gangs have no place in western society*
*(or any society for that matter)
So why is it that victims of Islamic grooming gangs are constantly abused, and why is it that certain authorities and the left love to try and cover it up or deflect? These girls have been gang raped, bullied, tortured, in some cases murdered, and then told their lives basically mean nothing. Tell me I'm wrong on that, because there is plenty of evidence to prove that is the case. Even though so many on here deny it.
Now, Shamima Begum. She left the UK to go and be a ISIS bride, where her 'husband' murdered people. In fact, I could post videos right now of Yazidi girls in cages being burned alive by her husband. Depending on what you believe, she had some involvement in that and also took part in some other killings too. This is a girl who has no apologies about joining this organisation and says that the killings were justified.
The left find it uncomfortable to cover the first paragraph, but on the second love to whip up a load of bullshit about how due to certain laws she must be allowed back. 'Islamic State isn't a country so she has to be allowed back' is my personal favourite.
I could be a little bit more forgiving if those certain people (they can be found everywhere, not just on SBT) followed it up with saying how much of a monster she was or that they hope she would burn for all eternity, but largely they don't. There is certainly a large undercurrent which links those people with the ones that actively say she should be allowed back to live a normal life. The only difference is that those people are actually stupid enough to openly say it.
As is so often on here, a debate cannot be had, so I'm not really interested in spending a lifetime arguing on this thread. It's pretty obvious the angle that some people come from and it is pretty obvious if what I was saying had no truth in whatsoever that it would largely be ignored. Certain people have been called out and they don't like it.
You won’t find a ‘leftie’ on here that disagrees with your opening statements about ISIS or any kind of grooming gangs.Ok, here is my opinion:
ISIS is bad
ISIS terrorists have no place in western society
Islamic grooming gangs are bad
Islamic grooming gangs have no place in western society*
*(or any society for that matter)
So why is it that victims of Islamic grooming gangs are constantly abused, and why is it that certain authorities and the left love to try and cover it up or deflect? These girls have been gang raped, bullied, tortured, in some cases murdered, and then told their lives basically mean nothing. Tell me I'm wrong on that, because there is plenty of evidence to prove that is the case. Even though so many on here deny it.
Now, Shamima Begum. She left the UK to go and be a ISIS bride, where her 'husband' murdered people. In fact, I could post videos right now of Yazidi girls in cages being burned alive by her husband. Depending on what you believe, she had some involvement in that and also took part in some other killings too. This is a girl who has no apologies about joining this organisation and says that the killings were justified.
The left find it uncomfortable to cover the first paragraph, but on the second love to whip up a load of bullshit about how due to certain laws she must be allowed back. 'Islamic State isn't a country so she has to be allowed back' is my personal favourite.
I could be a little bit more forgiving if those certain people (they can be found everywhere, not just on SBT) followed it up with saying how much of a monster she was or that they hope she would burn for all eternity, but largely they don't. There is certainly a large undercurrent which links those people with the ones that actively say she should be allowed back to live a normal life. The only difference is that those people are actually stupid enough to openly say it.
As is so often on here, a debate cannot be had, so I'm not really interested in spending a lifetime arguing on this thread. It's pretty obvious the angle that some people come from and it is pretty obvious if what I was saying had no truth in whatsoever that it would largely be ignored. Certain people have been called out and they don't like it.
Dom has expressed the same opinion as you on this thread, i haven't called him racist.
Like I say, long time suspicions but it's seeped out.
And how can I have lost the argument, I want the country to stick to the law, you want them to make it up as they go along, it's a matter of opinion.
Just so you know the first grooming gang that was brought down was in Rotherham, arguably this also blew open and exposed the whole culture of grooming gangs amongst sections of Muslim men. This happened because of the tireless work of lefty labour MP and member of Corbyns shadow cabinet, Sarah Champion. The Tories were in government at the time and had been for some years. If it wasn’t for the lefties who you seem intent on blaming for this it may well still be happening under the righties watch.
I suggest you go and educate yourself.
You should be proud to be labelled a moron given the work you’re doing to earn the title.So you are denying the left have ever tried to cover it up? Just because on one occasion some people on the left might have done the right thing?
I suggest you stop telling people to educate themselves and have a bit of self-awareness.
You should be proud to be labelled a moron given the work you’re doing to earn the title.
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