Legislation is quite clear on this. The child of someone not a British Citizen at birth does not automatically receive British Citizenship at birth. If given British Citizenship, they must act within British Law and in a manner that is conducive to the standards as required in the community.Does that just apply to their children who weren't born here? I thought being born in a country gave automatic citizenship? Otherwise that could potentially leave lots of people stateless, which is also illegal under international law I thought? Which takes precedence?
The way I read it she already had dual-nationality. If it's just that she could have it, then I can potentially see her winning an appeal.
They’ll pin the supporting of a terrorist organisation on her won't they? Let’s hope it doesn’t get to that though.As I said 5 minutes ago what crime did she commit in the UK?
Leave her where she is to rot.
How do you guarantee that?
Yep we believe in the rule of law not the mobThat is the other point. Is it better to have her here facing punishment or leave her to recirculate into the world of Islamic extremists to act as a recruiter, fund raiser etc for their cause?
Plenty of vengeance in the bible.It’s a perverse decision based on vengeance. Long live Great Britain paragon of the Christian virtues of you made your bed now lie in it. Which part of Christian doctrine is that one I wonder??
Yep of course and you know the answer is that Jesus is the image of the invisible god.Plenty of vengeance in the bible.
GobbledygookYep of course and you know the answer is that Jesus is the image of the invisible god.
So you think this Christian nation knows nothing of mercy and compassion and love? OkGobbledygook
She should face justice why are we even letting her off!
I do realise that but choose to live a life following jesusI'm not sure I call us a Christian nation, however I agree that Christianity has had much of its muscularity reduced by enlightenment values of reason, compassion and human decency. Thank goodness for a secular society and the increase in rationality. Maybe you'll come to realise that you don't need myths to live a fulfilling and compassionate life.
What’s your problem with her returning then?Most legal experts conclude there is no evidence of a crime so what crime?
Huh you’re not making any sense nowWhat I’m amazed at it the liberals on here who want to invent a crime and convict her of an invented crime without a trial
Most legal experts conclude there is no evidence of a crime so what crime?
I’m Captain Leftie of Leftania. But this bint, who wilfully joined an organisation who wouldn’t hesitate to instantly kill my entire family, can absolutely fuck off.
Loads of these pricks have come back. Served their time and are now out. Pointless.
What I’m amazed at it the liberals on here who want to invent a crime and convict her of an invented crime without a trial
Legislation is quite clear on this. The child of someone not a British Citizen at birth does not automatically receive British Citizenship at birth. If given British Citizenship, they must act within British Law and in a manner that is conducive to the standards as required in the community.
As the child of immigrants she did not and does not have the automatic British Citizenship you and I have. It's the law.
It was a friend who is trained as a lawyer making the point I’m not sure of the answer to your question sorryBut that legislation would mean potentially millions upon millions of people wouldn't have a state. Not an automatic citizen of the country you're born in. Not an automatic citizen of the countr(y/ies) your parent were born in either. So not a citizen anywhere.
Essentially what you're saying is that legally we do have a right to revoke her citizenship and make her stateless due to her actions of joining a terrorist organisation? That seems perfectly fair to me (I think it'd be fair to revoke anyones citizenship on such grounds, even if you've got parentage going back centuries) but I thought that the UN said that to do so you had to believe said person wouldn't be left stateless?
Are we using the argument that we 'believe' this girl has Bangladeshi citizenship to fulfil this criteria, even if she doesn't?
All I can see happening here is an incredibly long and costly court case.
I'm not sure I call us a Christian nation, however I agree that Christianity has had much of its muscularity reduced by enlightenment values of reason, compassion and human decency. Thank goodness for a secular society and the increase in rationality. Maybe you'll come to realise that you don't need myths to live a fulfilling and compassionate life.
Like thisI'll admit to doing some stupid things as a teenager but running off to another country to join a terror organisation wasn't one of them.
Completely agree. Would never say a moral life isn’t possible as an atheist or a moral life is always lived by someone with faith.I agree. For those who go on about 'Christian values' it's actually scientific reasoning/proof tempering the worst of these values down that has made it more forgiving (but there is still a lot of prejudice in Christianity). Before science Christianity was extremely violent and unforgiving (as were/are other religions) and Christian values can just as easily be interpreted as Jewish/Islamic values given how closely related all three religions are.
What really gets on my nerves is when someone religious says you can't have morals without faith, when the complete opposite is more likely to be true. You're doing things because your religion says so in order to get into heaven etc - you're doing what you're told and following an order, not making a moral decision.
However an atheist that decides to care about their fellow human beings (or the wider environment) without any belief in a reward/punishment and that this is the only life you have is totally making a moral decision to do so. They could just as easily chose to exploit everyone else for their own benefit, but they choose not to.
She'll be given the right to live here while she appeals and might even vanish into the community
I'll get her a dinghy to come back in. Then wait half way with some darts.Yeah can see that happening, while there's a big fuss act all tough.
She could probably get back in easy enough anyway when the attention is off and nobody would really know.
Why should I pay for her to pay. She can pay for her crimes in the shithole she left for.
You know the saying, "You've made your bed"
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Yeah. tbf this wasn't my first reaction, especially with a lack of any kind of remorse but, thinking about it, it's a perfectly fair point to make.Find it astounding that people can talk about the Rotherham girls of the same age being groomed and no one sane says “they knew what they were doing”. But the exact same thing with this girl and it’s “fuck her she knew what was what”.
Find it astounding that people can talk about the Rotherham girls of the same age being groomed and no one sane says “they knew what they were doing”. But the exact same thing with this girl and it’s “fuck her she knew what was what”. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
She’s our mess. She’s a UK citizen. You can’t just wash your hands of people and leave them to war torn countries to look after.
String her up, lock her away, throw cabbages at her for life if you want. But the attitudes here are disgraceful IMO, both from a child protection and global politics standpoint.
Find it astounding that people can talk about the Rotherham girls of the same age being groomed and no one sane says “they knew what they were doing”. But the exact same thing with this girl and it’s “fuck her she knew what was what”. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
She’s our mess. She’s a UK citizen. You can’t just wash your hands of people and leave them to war torn countries to look after.
String her up, lock her away, throw cabbages at her for life if you want. But the attitudes here are disgraceful IMO, both from a child protection and global politics standpoint.
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