robbiekeane
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Oh my god. It’s worse than I thought you actually don’t understand.
I thought you were just blindly trying to win an argument but you literally don’t even get it
Oh my god. It’s worse than I thought you actually don’t understand.You understand that our footballing budget is determined by the club’s income and not by the owner writing a few blank cheques?
Isn't everything from a budget regardless? As is the same for most clubs?
Oh my god. It’s worse than I thought you actually don’t understand.
I thought you were just blindly trying to win an argument but you literally don’t even get it
Who has said she personally put it in from her own money?Not at clubs that have owners writing blank cheques. This is a really bizarre argument when it’s quite clear that SISU’s efforts to invest on the footballing side stopped after Coleman’s 2009/10 season.
Do people really think that Joy injected the funds for our cash signings this year and last?
Who has said she personally put it in from her own money?
How many league 1 clubs have blank cheques?
You keep saying this a lot and you say it’s a really common like but I don’t really remember anyone saying it?What else is implied by saying something like 'SISU have backed Robins in the market'?
Thanks mate, appreciate that.I didn’t think there was a bigger dickhead around here than G but no, the prize is yours.
After 11 years in charge it is very clear who has lead us to the situation where we have the budget that we do. If the actions that you take lead to you losing about 75% of your customers (average gate down from 20k to 5k in those 11years) the owners bear no responsibility for that?Thanks mate, appreciate that.
Do you understand that if our budget was simply based on the clubs income, then we would have a significantly smaller playing and operating budget that we do at present? Genuine question, do you get that?
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You are embarrassing yourself mate honestly.
Investment only counts if if it’s above and beyond existing budgets. Even though those budgets are variable and set each year by the owners.
Oh the poor guys not having unlimited spending! Having to work without a budget. Tough gig. You understand that budget is set by the owners and includes an amount put in by them which is required to break even?
This is not going well for you
Hello there.What? So if we have a budget of £10m in year 1 made entirely out of our own revenue then in year 2 we have a budget of £9m but the owners put in £2m of that according to your definition there has been no investment. There's also the grey area of loans - in economist terms that's debt, not investment.
What about if a company buys new technology to improve, but can afford it from its own revenues - are they not 'investing' in the business because they could just as easily pocket the money or give it to shareholders?
I think you're confusing investment with equity, and even then not getting it quite right.
You do realise that if you require someone to put money into the business to keep it solvent it is, by definition, not 'breaking even'.
Wait. You either incorrectly interpreted the post of mine that you quoted as being my own opinion rather that repeating someone else’s that I was disagreeing with, and therefore we are actually of the same opinion...or you’re way cleverer than me and I don’t get itWhat? So if we have a budget of £10m in year 1 made entirely out of our own revenue then in year 2 we have a budget of £9m but the owners put in £2m of that according to your definition there has been no investment. There's also the grey area of loans - in economist terms that's debt, not investment.
What about if a company buys new technology to improve, but can afford it from its own revenues - are they not 'investing' in the business because they could just as easily pocket the money or give it to shareholders?
I think you're confusing investment with equity, and even then not getting it quite right.
You do realise that if you require someone to put money into the business to keep it solvent it is, by definition, not 'breaking even'.
Also, seen you brag about your education a few times now....don’t really get it? Do you care to share with the group what credentials you have that make you so desperate to blurt then out in an unrelated argument?We can play academic Top Trumps if you like but I think you might come out worse...
Also, seen you brag about your education a few times now....don’t really get it? Do you care to share with the group what credentials you have that make you so desperate to blurt then out in an unrelated argument?
You repeatedly failed to grasp a very simple concept. You can flaunt whatever degree you want in response but it doesn’t help you there obviously...If anything I’ve done the opposite. You come across as extremely condescending and when you go round calling thicko then yeah you stand to be challenged on it.
You repeatedly failed to grasp a very simple concept. You can flaunt whatever degree you want in response but it doesn’t help you there obviously...
In reality they kind of have, they seem to give Robins freedom over sales. They could easily pocket all the money to pay off the debt. They’re not throwing money at him off their own backs - but they’re starting to run the on field stuff properlyAgree with Brighton Sky Blue here, SISU have not backed Robins. There is no investment side from short term loans to cover cashflow. I'm not complaining about it but agree with him that terms like "backed Robins in the market" imply more than the reality.
In reality they kind of have, they seem to give Robins freedom over sales. They could easily pocket all the money to pay off the debt. They’re not throwing money at him off their own backs - but they’re starting to run the on field stuff properly
In reality they kind of have, they seem to give Robins freedom over sales. They could easily pocket all the money to pay off the debt. They’re not throwing money at him off their own backs - but they’re starting to run the on field stuff properly
I’m not advocating giving them credit - all I’m saying is they could be a lot tighter ala 10/11 seasonThey either have or haven't. Allowing the club to maintain its own earnings isn't really doing a favour, especially as part of the 'debt' was written off in 2007 and the rest again in 2013. It only sits there as a protection mechanism.
I'm not a SISU out throther but don't believe they deserve credit for not extracting more money from the club than they have.
FP...no one is saying that they have “Backed Robins”. But to say they haven’t/aren’t investing money is inaccurate when without them we wouldn’t be solvent because we rely on them to cover losses.Agree with Brighton Sky Blue here, SISU have not backed Robins. There is no investment side from short term loans to cover cashflow. I'm not complaining about it but agree with him that terms like "backed Robins in the market" imply more than the reality.
But it’s not is it? It’s the clubs income PLUS what the owners are willing to plug/cover?The concept being that the club’s income dictates what it is allowed to spend on players? Think I got that.
FP...no one is saying that they have “Backed Robins”. But to say they haven’t/aren’t investing money is inaccurate when without them we wouldn’t be solvent because we rely on them to cover losses.
They could easily say we are not putting any money in so we are just slashing the playing budget completely to balance the books. They aren’t. We have a competitive budget for this league
Money through player sales yes?
Let's not kid ourselves that sisu themselves have invented as they havent.
We are living within our means as much as possible. Would you rather we ended up in £60m in debt like we were almost 20 years ago by spending when we couldn't afford to?
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Yes as we were in the top league
But it’s not is it? It’s the clubs income PLUS what the owners are willing to plug/cover?
But it’s not is it? It’s the clubs income PLUS what the owners are willing to plug/cover?
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