Sheffield Wednesday Fan Banned (1 Viewer)

[SBT]

I assume a child sex offender should be banned for life from being anywhere near children ever again? Including living in the same street as any?

I’ll be honest, when it comes to working with kids I thought that was precisely how the system worked….

 

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[Grendel]

I’ll be honest, when it comes to working with kids I thought that was precisely how the system worked….

Does it - so sex offenders cannot ever live in the same street for life? Oh are you sure? How about rapists, murderers?

I am just amazed how you agree certain types are beyond redemption and rehabilitation

 

[wingy]

Ironic considering where he's flushed his business reputation.

He'll just change the name?

 

[SBT]

Does it - so sex offenders cannot ever live in the same street for life? Oh are you sure? How about rapists, murderers?

I am just amazed how you agree certain types are beyond redemption and rehabilitation

No, read it again - I’m specifically talking about working with kids.

When it comes to stopping criminals from living on individual streets post-rehab you’re clearly stretching the limits of feasibility, in a way that obviously isn’t relevant for discussing whether to ban a guy from a football stadium for longer than a few seasons.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Popular decision on the SW fans forum as well.

Scumbag racist from Coventry game.

A spectator who directed a racist gesture towards Coventry City’s Kasey Palmer has been given a five-year football banning order. Edward Rabjohn, 21, from Sheffield, made the gesture towards Palmer during the second half of the Sky Bet Championship match between Sheffield Wednesday and the Sky Bl...

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[PVA]

Popular decision on the SW fans forum as well.

Scumbag racist from Coventry game.

A spectator who directed a racist gesture towards Coventry City’s Kasey Palmer has been given a five-year football banning order. Edward Rabjohn, 21, from Sheffield, made the gesture towards Palmer during the second half of the Sky Bet Championship match between Sheffield Wednesday and the Sky Bl...

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Good to see.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ironic considering where he's flushed his business reputation.

Charlie Nicholas levels of banter there torch

 

[covcity4life]

Nah. No matter how drunk I would be at a football match or anywhere for that matter, I wouldn't be racist, because I'm not a racist.

Being drunk is an excuse. Chances are he'll be (or had been) racist when sober. It's in him.

But people can change right?

 

[rob9872]

But people can change right?

They can but it's such a strange take from him. This isn't some backward village or an Eastern European country where they rarely see a Black face, but Sheffield. A working class City where some of his very idols for the team he supports are also Black. I can only imagine what they must have thought, job or not, to then go out and represent and be expected to perform to the maximum ability.

 

[covcity4life]

Good to see.

Some on here would have you believe their whole Fanbase is racist though

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Let he who casts the first stone eh.
I am 70 years old,and have made plenty of mistakes in my life. Leared a few harsh lessons from them as well.
He did what he did,has got his punishment ( probably won’t finish there) let’s drop it now. I am sure we are not all saints.

 

[Evo1883]

Let he who casts the first stone eh.
I am 70 years old,and have made plenty of mistakes in my life. Leared a few harsh lessons from them as well.
He did what he did,has got his punishment ( probably won’t finish there) let’s drop it now. I am sure we are not all saints.

 

[alexccfc99]

Seeing his business and address being shared on Twitter is incredibly sad. We always let ourselves down as a fanbase.

Seeing those on here asking for a harsher punishment, perhaps they should receive a life ban from this forum for their ableist and homophobic outbursts…

Fuck him

 

[covcity4life]

Why don’t you share that energy for posters on here who have posted homophobic and ableist abuse?

Boosh again

 

[Grendel]

How did you work it out? You’re so clever

I thought you were the cousin of Boosh. He thought messiahrobins was you - he ain’t the brightest.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

well played Spain. We need to follow suit….

 

[LastGarrison]

Obviously great they have been identified and jailed but why not a ban for life?

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

Obviously great they have been identified and jailed but why not a ban for life?

very good point

 

[chiefdave]

Obviously great they have been identified and jailed but why not a ban for life?

do they have a limit on how long a ban can be over there?

 

[eyesee]

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good stuff!

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

do they have a limit on how long a ban can be over there?

Not sure, do we have a limit over here?

 

[chiefdave]

Not sure, do we have a limit over here?

no idea, was the only reason I could think of they wouldn't ban someone for life, or at least a lot longer than 2 years

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

no idea, was the only reason I could think of they wouldn't ban someone for life, or at least a lot longer than 2 years

yeah 2 years seems a bit of a nothing punishment really, that on its own anyway but I’d like to think time in prison would make people think twice - not that you should have to threaten someone with a prison sentence to make them realise these kind of gestures / chants etc are not welcome in the game or in life full stop

 

[South West Sky Blue]

Not sure, do we have a limit over here?

Think it’s 10 years. However once you’ve served 2/3rds, you can appeal to the police to be allowed back.
Done no research on this though, so could be wrong.

 

[ovduk78]

well played Spain. We need to follow suit….

I think we are well ahead if Spain when it comes to prosecuting racists, this case was dismissed by the police/prosecutors and Madrid/Spanish FA forced them to prosecute. Vinicius Jr was racially abused on social media last season, think it was by Valencia fans, and the police/prosecutors looked at those involved and their social media history & decided they weren't racist!

 

[rob9872]

I probably need a tin hat for what I'm about to post, but anyway, here goes:

So firstly I don't know the background to the Vinny J case, but mine is a general point as it seems pretty unanimous on here that we should be applying similar action.

Imo it's too much. I'd go for longer banning orders, public shaming, personal apologies, diversity courses and even community service, but whatever the circumstances, when we have downgraded so much other criminal behaviour that doesn't mean jail time, then jail for insults, however abhorrent they may be, is too much.

If however we're talking George Floyd or especially Stephen Lawrence type crimes then that's different of course and they should throw away the key, but shouting insults unless there is a catalogue of previous or a repeat offender, jail seems ott.

 

[eyesee]

I probably need a tin hat for what I'm about to post, but anyway, here goes:

So firstly I don't know the background to the Vinny J case, but mine is a general point as it seems pretty unanimous on here that we should be applying similar action.

Imo it's too much. I'd go for longer banning orders, public shaming, personal apologies, diversity courses and even community service, but whatever the circumstances, when we have downgraded so much other criminal behaviour that doesn't mean jail time, then jail for insults, however abhorrent they may be, is too much.

If however we're talking George Floyd or especially Stephen Lawrence type crimes then that's different of course and they should throw away the key, but shouting insults unless there is a catalogue of previous or a repeat offender, jail seems ott.

i agree it's maybe a bit heavy, but they are clearly trying to stamp down on this.
there is an easy solution, don't do it in the first place.

 

[clint van damme]

i agree it's maybe a bit heavy, but they are clearly trying to stamp down on this.
there is an easy solution, don't do it in the first place.

I've got a slightly different view, I think they don't do enough generally but then go totally over the top in a high profile case to try and make it look like they're really trying to put their foot down.
I can see Robs point on this, and I say this as someone who abhors racism, you only have to look at my posting history on here.

But there's been plenty of appalling incidents where they could have dished out points deductions or ground closures and they've done nothing.
I'm really uncomfortable with jailing people over something they've said no matter how unpalatable.

 

[Evo1883]

I've got a slightly different view, I think they don't do enough generally but then go totally over the top in a high profile case to try and make it look like they're really trying to put their foot down.
I can see Robs point on this, and I say this as someone who abhors racism, you only have to look at my posting history on here.

But there's been plenty of appalling incidents where they could have dished out points deductions or ground closures and they've done nothing.
I'm really uncomfortable with jailing people over something they've said no matter how unpalatable.

I agree , community work for a year and a 5 year banning order seems a very fitting punishment

 

[TinPotTaylor]

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Should be banned for life the fucking cunts

 

[fatso]

I probably need a tin hat for what I'm about to post, but anyway, here goes:

So firstly I don't know the background to the Vinny J case, but mine is a general point as it seems pretty unanimous on here that we should be applying similar action.

Imo it's too much. I'd go for longer banning orders, public shaming, personal apologies, diversity courses and even community service, but whatever the circumstances, when we have downgraded so much other criminal behaviour that doesn't mean jail time, then jail for insults, however abhorrent they may be, is too much.

If however we're talking George Floyd or especially Stephen Lawrence type crimes then that's different of course and they should throw away the key, but shouting insults unless there is a catalogue of previous or a repeat offender, jail seems ott.

Agreed. I don't want to downplay how abhorrent this case is, but it's not rape or murder or violent crime, so I think the punishment is about right.

There's worse crimes where the perpetrator avoids prison time.
If he has any decency in him at all, (which is debateable) being named and shamed (along with the other punishments) should leave him deeply embarrassed. Although the ban should of been much longer IMHO.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I probably need a tin hat for what I'm about to post, but anyway, here goes:

So firstly I don't know the background to the Vinny J case, but mine is a general point as it seems pretty unanimous on here that we should be applying similar action.

Imo it's too much. I'd go for longer banning orders, public shaming, personal apologies, diversity courses and even community service, but whatever the circumstances, when we have downgraded so much other criminal behaviour that doesn't mean jail time, then jail for insults, however abhorrent they may be, is too much.

If however we're talking George Floyd or especially Stephen Lawrence type crimes then that's different of course and they should throw away the key, but shouting insults unless there is a catalogue of previous or a repeat offender, jail seems ott.

I do agree. Not that I don't think racism should not be dealt with firmly as of course it should, but I'm of the opinion that prison should be a last resort for only those that pose an physical threat to society. Other than that I prefer restorative justice. As you say community service, rehabilitation, apologies, compensation etc.

Of course, some will say what do you do if the continue to do it, but if that's the case why would prison be any better in changing their thinking?

 

[eyesee]

Agreed. I don't want to downplay how abhorrent this case is, but it's not rape or murder or violent crime, so I think the punishment is about right.

There's worse crimes where the perpetrator avoids prison time.
If he has any decency in him at all, (which is debateable) being named and shamed (along with the other punishments) should leave him deeply embarrassed. Although the ban should of been much longer IMHO.

i'm not sure anyone capable of doing this is likely to get embarrassed,
i agree, it's a heavy penalty, but with 10s of thousands of fans to monitor, it's not really something you can stop happening. all you can do is come down heavy when you can identify someone in the hope it will deter others.

other opinions are available, of course.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I assume a child sex offender should be banned for life from being anywhere near children ever again? Including living in the same street as any?

No depending on crime they may be on the sex offender register for life and while on licence this will impact on work and where you live but woood be pretty hard to ban someone from living next to a family
Pretty sure Sarah’s law means individuals can find out though in some way