stevefloyd
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Me too, some of the songs are funny as long as its harmless fun but I cannot tolerate lack of respect really pisses me off
Me too, some of the songs are funny as long as its harmless fun but I cannot tolerate lack of respect really pisses me offSorry but I have to see the funny side.... ‘you can stick your fucking seagulls up your arse’ does tickle me...
Generally football hooligism is a working class problem, not saying there’s no middle classes scrapping at football matches, but generally hooligans firms are working class.Upper class people can be abusive and vulgar. Class is no excuse for unacceptable behaviour.
It's a shame that recently, we've seem to have seen an upturn in idiotic fans. Is it a genuine upturn or are we becoming less tolerant of it?
I try to think back to when I was in my teens and what I was like. Although I liked a beer and a sing song, I genuinely don't think I was near as bad as some of the idiots today.
I do think we live in a snowflake society and I do get annoyed when people take the slightest offence to things that they shouldn't be getting offended at. Like those kids t-shirts in Asda (I think)...sure one of them said something like Top Boy or something like that and a parent complained as it wasn't gender neutral. Now that, is stupid.
People are however right to complain about racist or homophobic chanting. It's simply not on. Especially after the recent tributes paid to big Cyrille, a man who suffered loads. I also think that dropping the c-bomb around women and children just shows a total lack of respect, judgment and morality.
Maybe that's just me though..
You know what WM ,there are plenty of Women around who know how to Cus, kids too .It's a shame that recently, we've seem to have seen an upturn in idiotic fans. Is it a genuine upturn or are we becoming less tolerant of it?
I try to think back to when I was in my teens and what I was like. Although I liked a beer and a sing song, I genuinely don't think I was near as bad as some of the idiots today.
I do think we live in a snowflake society and I do get annoyed when people take the slightest offence to things that they shouldn't be getting offended at. Like those kids t-shirts in Asda (I think)...sure one of them said something like Top Boy or something like that and a parent complained as it wasn't gender neutral. Now that, is stupid.
People are however right to complain about racist or homophobic chanting. It's simply not on. Especially after the recent tributes paid to big Cyrille, a man who suffered loads. I also think that dropping the c-bomb around women and children just shows a total lack of respect, judgment and morality.
Maybe that's just me though..
Every club has a section of mentally retarted homophobic cunts among its fan base, CCFC facebook groups were full of such in the run up to the Brighton match.
In the 70s and 80s it was racism which thankfully has now all but gone and would not be tolerated, it will be a few years yet before homophobia gets t he same taboo.
Every club has a section of mentally retarted homophobic cunts among its fan base, CCFC facebook groups were full of such in the run up to the Brighton match.
In the 70s and 80s it was racism which thankfully has now all but gone and would not be tolerated, it will be a few years yet before homophobia gets t he same taboo.
Yes there was racism but especially in the 70's there were only a few non white players so you cant say it was racism, it was tribalism, it was more violence orientated rather than specific verbals, even in the 80's when there were more coloured players the fact that your team had them made it less likely that the verbals got out of hand.Every club has a section of mentally retarted homophobic cunts among its fan base, CCFC facebook groups were full of such in the run up to the Brighton match.
In the 70s and 80s it was racism which thankfully has now all but gone and would not be tolerated, it will be a few years yet before homophobia gets t he same taboo.
You know what WM ,there are plenty of Women around who know how to Cus, kids too .
But yes It would be better If people refrain ,I used to feel so embarressed for letting myself go at the game couldn't help myself with anger at refs or cheating .
I just don't feel anything like that at the Rugby, It's rooted in partisan guff from the 70's with me I think.
I think herein lies the problem. Whilst I would say at least 80% of our away support are fantastic, there are without question a bunch of bell ends that I would quite happily see never come to a game again & pretending they don't exist or saying they're fine is part of the problem. I was lucky at Brighton, nearly everyone I was sat around was fantastic, out of nowhere around the 85th minute I heard someone a few rows behind me shout at their keeper 'F**k off you... you f**king foreigner.' He didn't even really know what to say, just wanted to make sure he abused him in some way and decided his nationality was the way he was going to go. It was absolutely embarrassing. I spoke to a few mates who were sat elsewhere in the ground commenting how much better the fans were than say at MK, he wasn't quite so lucky and said he had a bunch of homophobic racists around him. A lot depends on who you're lucky/unlucky enough to sit around and it can hugely shape how good your experience is. Like I said, the vast majority of our fans are superb, but let's not pretend we don't have our fair share of scumbags.We have fantastic away fans , I won’t say a bad word about them
There is an edge to football that I like. At the football the result really matters to most of the people that go. (But probably not the idiots who spend most of their time looking at and goading the opposition fans). I attended Wales v Ireland rugby international last year and for most people there it seemed like an event. They wanted the greens or the reds to win but it didn’t matter as much as it would to a football fan. I think emotions for a football fan go to the extremes of the scale from elation or despair depending on the result. A friend I go to the football with told me he had been given free tickets to watch a Wasps game. ( Everone is entitled to one mistake). He said that during the match people were constantly up out of their seats to go to the bar or the food kiosks. I know on about 35 minutes we have the half time rush (which I don’t get as you miss a huge chunk of the game), but generally at football people are part of the action ( or in our case, the inaction). The thing is how do you keep that edge that football has and rugby hasn’t and still have a sport that families would come to and not be put off by thuggish behaviour.Yeah, that's a fair point Wingy, I don't disagree. I think you're just more likely to see if from blokes though but you are right.
And like you (and Nick has pointed out above) we've all be guilty of shouting obscenities in moments of frustration. It's just having a decent moral compass to acknowledge when it oversteps the line, particularly with women and kids around.
I still go back to my wifes experience at MK Dons. She said she wouldn't go back because of it...although I'm sure she sees the desperation on my face every Saturday and that's the real reason!
As a club, we need to do more to encourage more woman and children to matches. This doesn't help and I must stress...99.8% of our fans are great. It's the minority who don't do us any favours (and it's the same at every club to be fair). Bad language just needs to be considered dependant on the environment. Racism/Homophobia needs to stop completely.
You’re glad we are not a family club? That’s an awful lot of potential fans excluded from games.Away games will always be different to home games. Over the past 5 years our away support has increased massively. Most are lads in their twenties who enjoy a day on the beer.
We're not Millwall, but we are not a family club like MK Dons or Forest Green. I am glad we have got that balance.
A lot of those snowflakes post on here it seems. But to be honest I heard nothing or very little. One lad in a blue jacket being a dickhead outside the Lansdown pub in Lewes and one Indian bloke who pushed in front of me and my mate at the turnstiles and called a family of Brighton fans ‘poofs’ or ‘queers’ only for me to shut him down by asking “any need?” In the ground, however, I heard nothing and I was right next to the BHA fans on the left hand side as our fans looked out.I do think we live in a snowflake society and I do get annoyed when people take the slightest offence..
Away games will always be different to home games. Over the past 5 years our away support has increased massively. Most are lads in their twenties who enjoy a day on the beer.
We're not Millwall, but we are not a family club like MK Dons or Forest Green. I am glad we have got that balance.
You’re glad we are not a family club? That’s an awful lot of potential fans excluded from games.
There is an edge to football that I like. At the football the result really matters to most of the people that go. (But probably not the idiots who spend most of their time looking at and goading the opposition fans). I attended Wales v Ireland rugby international last year and for most people there it seemed like an event. They wanted the greens or the reds to win but it didn’t matter as much as it would to a football fan. I think emotions for a football fan go to the extremes of the scale from elation or despair depending on the result. A friend I go to the football with told me he had been given free tickets to watch a Wasps game. ( Everone is entitled to one mistake). He said that during the match people were constantly up out of their seats to go to the bar or the food kiosks. I know on about 35 minutes we have the half time rush (which I don’t get as you miss a huge chunk of the game), but generally at football people are part of the action ( or in our case, the inaction). The thing is how do you keep that edge that football has and rugby hasn’t and still have a sport that families would come to and not be put off by thuggish behaviour.
My son brought a couple of friends with him to the Stoke game, one of them who occasionally goes to Wasps. The joy and the elation, the noise as we were leaving the stadium after that game was immense. I asked him was it like that after Wasps matches and he had to say no. We need to keep that but lose the morons who spoil the atmosphere and turn would-be fans away.
You’re glad we are not a family club? That’s an awful lot of potential fans excluded from games.
I did chuckle to myself when some young lads were singing "Where were you when you were shit ".I seem to remember Brighton fans being very much there when they were shit ref Withdean stadium
Sorry to be a pedant. It wasn’t me that went to Wasps but a mate!Yeah, agree with all of that. You get a like for admitting your one mistake!
In all seriousness though, I to love the atmosphere and tribal nature of football that is apparently different to egg chasing. Glad your son and his mates had a great time. It's the likes of those we need to encourage and it's a shame that the 0.02% of fans do their best to disrupt that notion.
True unfortunately.think the players did a good job of helping with that at the last home game !
Its very much an age thing and dependent on who they go with. I do remember throwing around a lot of expletives when I went to most games with mates, especially at cheats, crap refs and officials. I was in my teens and twenties then and full of testosterone and good beer. When I started taking my daughters sometime later I toned it all down and cleaned up the language and started to appreciate and respect the mix of the crowd. Some never grow up though do they !
I like my rugby now as well but it will never have that loud, edgy tribalism that makes a football atmosphere so special.
Sorry to be a pedant. It wasn’t me that went to Wasps but a mate!
Maybe there's more noticing it every week or it's increasing as opposed to people excusing it?We do seem to have a thread on this every few weeks or so by the “my shit don’t stink “ crew .
I get more offended by our dire home support not singing than I do at a few drunk lads away from home
Might be the only grass we see this seasonShame them...grass? No, common decency.
People wearing w***s clothing at a Cov match or kids wearing Barcelona shirts at a Cov match. Both of these offend me FAR more than somebody calling the ref a c**t.We do seem to have a thread on this every few weeks or so by the “my shit don’t stink “ crew .
I get more offended by our dire home support not singing than I do at a few drunk lads away from home
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