Singers corner (2 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Something doesn't add up. We've got people on here saying there's been no issues in months / years yet there's been 2 articles on the clubs website since the World Cup break pleading with fans to behave. That's off the back of complaints from other supporters so not something that can be blamed on the SAG

We also have people saying they've moved to a different part of the ground to avoid trouble, or in some cases considering not attending at all and people saying they will no longer go to away games because of the constant trouble. Is there some sort of mass hallucination going on?

We all want the restrictions removed but we need to do our part and give the club a strong hand when they're making their argument

imo the club have very little say in this. I'm not convinced it's their decision to take tickets off sale and have increased stewarding costs. it will be something handed down by the SAG and if the club don't comply the safety certificate will be revoked

Admittedly my experience with these type of group is with music venues & festivals rather than sporting events I'm not really convinced that we tried the restrictions and people are still coked out of the minds is the path to getting the SAG to let us do what we want

You can't just dump this all on stewards, who I would guess don't get great pay and little training, at some point we have to take a collective responsibility

If you want to stop drug use (which TBH I don’t really care about if it’s out of sight of families) you bring in sniffer dogs and get stewards to spot it. What measures have they put in that would realistically reduce it?

Im not sure forcing every 70 year old in block 24 to empty keys out their pockets is doing much to stop some guy in 14 bringing a bang of sniff in his underwear. Or how not selling tickets helps. Just seems completely random.

If they want more control over bad behaviour then get stewards who do that and don’t just spend their time watching and only intervening if some old man can’t find his seat.

This was just passive policing of both away fans and someone clearly where they shouldn’t be for a long time before doing anything for example:

 

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[David O'Day]

The sniff stuff is nonsense as well, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

If you believed the people on here and on the socials 14 and 15 are like a scene from Scarface every home game.

It's not and it's a minority and they are not racking lines openly, they are going into cubicles to do it.

I am not defending it but it is vastly overblown and it's something that happens at every ground. It's also not new and has been happening for decades.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No ones saying there aren't issues.
But these issues exist at lots of clubs, many of which have also put statements on their websites, yet no other club takes the ludicrous measure ours does.

As a consequence the great atmosphere which was created last season has been dimi ished due to total over kill.

Case in point Norwich away, basically nothing between us and the home fans but no trouble at all.

 

[chiefdave]

no other club takes the ludicrous measure ours does.

Is that true though? There's not that many clubs with 10K plus seats empty every week

Not checked every club but checked Middlesborough and Cardiff as they were the first two who came up and on both clubs forums there's posts complained about having large amounts of empty seats as segregation when 'no other club does'

If we were Norwich and running at capacity every week then the club could put some pressure on the SAG saying they were losing money but that's a hard argument to make at the moment with so many available seats

 

[David O'Day]

Is that true though? There's not that many clubs with 10K plus seats empty every week

Not checked every club but checked Middlesborough and Cardiff as they were the first two who came up and on both clubs forums there's posts complained about having large amounts of empty seats as segregation when 'no other club does'

If we were Norwich and running at capacity every week then the club could put some pressure on the SAG saying they were losing money but that's a hard argument to make at the moment with so many available seats

I have been to games against both those teams and it isn't as bad as it is at the CBS

 

[chiefdave]

I give up. let's just keep moaning on here, saying there's no problem and hope the SAG magically change their mind

 

[clint van damme]

Is that true though? There's not that many clubs with 10K plus seats empty every week

Not checked every club but checked Middlesborough and Cardiff as they were the first two who came up and on both clubs forums there's posts complained about having large amounts of empty seats as segregation when 'no other club does'

If we were Norwich and running at capacity every week then the club could put some pressure on the SAG saying they were losing money but that's a hard argument to make at the moment with so many available seats

What about leaving seats unsold in that area, it's madness.
Others have suggested opening block 13, why not? That would still leave more than adequate segregation.

We had a home atmosphere that was the envy of the rest of the league last season and its been ruined, we need to get it back again.

 

[clint van damme]

I give up. let's just keep moaning on here, saying there's no problem and hope the SAG magically change their mind

Who said there's no problem, the first line of my last post said there were issues.
But why do Coventry deal with differently to other clubs?

 

[David O'Day]

I give up. let's just keep moaning on here, saying there's no problem and hope the SAG magically change their mind

No one has said there isn't a "problem" but there is also a massive overreaction.

We'll see next year as I said.

 

[chiefdave]

But why do Coventry deal with differently to other clubs?

Because safety is done on a council by council basis so different clubs have different requirements placed on them

 

[clint van damme]

Because safety is done on a council by council basis so different clubs have different requirements placed on them

And yet no one else has the draconian nonsense we do.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Singers corner has always seemed a bit tinpot to me anyway. They should have the whole of that stand behind the goal for the fans that want to make a lot of noise, and make that end a hardcore part of the stadium.

 

[shmmeee]

Because safety is done on a council by council basis so different clubs have different requirements placed on them

So it isn’t the clubs fault then?

Make your mind up.

 

[shmmeee]

Singers corner has always seemed a bit tinpot to me anyway. They should have the whole of that stand behind the goal for the fans that want to make a lot of noise, and make that end a hardcore part of the stadium.

They want to be by the away fans,

 

[chiefdave]

So it isn’t the clubs fault then?

Make your mind up.

Where have I said it's the clubs fault? My point is the club have to go into these meetings and make a case for restrictions to be dropped. That's a hell of a lot easier if when they make that request the other people at the meeting don't have a nice long sit of issues

 

[pusbccfc]

Singers corner has always seemed a bit tinpot to me anyway. They should have the whole of that stand behind the goal for the fans that want to make a lot of noise, and make that end a hardcore part of the stadium.

How many clubs these days have noisy sections far from the away fans?

Can't think of many in the Championship besides quiet grounds like Cardiff, Sheffield United and Sunderland. Two of the worst atmospheric grounds in the league.

The noiser grounds have away fans directly besides the home. Think Swansea, Middlesbrough and Hull. New grounds with great noise.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Singers corner has always seemed a bit tinpot to me anyway. They should have the whole of that stand behind the goal for the fans that want to make a lot of noise, and make that end a hardcore part of the stadium.

Totally agree. The view from the corners are inferior to anywhere else which is why in most wrap around stadiums they are least populated. We need to make a new " West End" behind the goal at the other end.

 

[pusbccfc]

Totally agree. The view from the corners are inferior to anywhere else which is why in most wrap around stadiums they are least populated. We need to make a new " West End" behind the goal at the other end.

Will never work, needs to be next to the away fans.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Totally agree. The view from the corners are inferior to anywhere else which is why in most wrap around stadiums they are least populated. We need to make a new " West End" behind the goal at the other end.

That’s been said 101 times and the club has tried to push making the North Stand ‘the sky blue wall’ but it will never ever happen. it’s always ended up tinpot with only a handful of people moving over. The myth that you can’t get a good atmosphere at the Arena has finally been cracked by the corner and a big part of that is its proximity to the away fans. It’s also been raised about moving the away fans 101 times which I’m also led to believe will never happen.

On another note, there is a deterrent that came in before the World Cup - you can now get a 3 year FBO if you’re caught with a bag of beak inside the ground. If there’s so much packet being ‘openly consumed’ some of these people will end up banned sooner or later. My personal advice is to take the safe option and opt for MDMA for your half time cubicle visit!

 

[AOM]

Will never work, needs to be next to the away fans.

Think quite a few who are no longer able to go to singers corner are now in block 3/4 for that very reason

 

[David O'Day]

Think quite a few who are no longer able to go to singers corner are now in block 3/4 for that very reason

they looked more lively this year

 

[Sick Boy]

The sniff stuff is nonsense as well, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

If you believed the people on here and on the socials 14 and 15 are like a scene from Scarface every home game.

It's not and it's a minority and they are not racking lines openly, they are going into cubicles to do it.

I am not defending it but it is vastly overblown and it's something that happens at every ground. It's also not new and has been happening for decades.

It’s always gone on at games, it’s nothing new.

 

[shmmeee]

Where have I said it's the clubs fault? My point is the club have to go into these meetings and make a case for restrictions to be dropped. That's a hell of a lot easier if when they make that request the other people at the meeting don't have a nice long sit of issues

You’ve said it’s down to how our fans act, then said it varies by council. So the determining factor is the LA SCG and not fan behaviour.

 

[chiefdave]

You’ve said it’s down to how our fans act, then said it varies by council. So the determining factor is the LA SCG and not fan behaviour.

no its both. we know we have over the top restrictions put in place by the safety group. if we want any chance of getting those restrictions removed we need to give the club a strong argument which means impeccable behaviour from our fans

if Boddy or King go into a meeting and ask for restrictions be removed on the basis that other clubs have as many coked up fans, people running on the pitch etc they will be laughed out the room

there are some things I believe you could argue on an evidential basis, such as the fence in the car park which seems to have led to an increase in problems, albeit off the footprint of the arena which is suspect is the desired result, or the not opening the gate out of car park b as they claimed people were being run over

but nobody can claim there isn't issues in that corner of the ground, we have posts on here from people saying they won't sit there anymore, we have posts on the club website reporting that they have received complaints from supporters about behaviour in that park of the ground. We can't just stick our head in the sand and act like supporters are blameless or just dismiss it as other clubs have problems if we want things to change

 

[SBT]

The sniff stuff is nonsense as well, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

If you believed the people on here and on the socials 14 and 15 are like a scene from Scarface every home game.

It's not and it's a minority and they are not racking lines openly, they are going into cubicles to do it.

I am not defending it but it is vastly overblown and it's something that happens at every ground. It's also not new and has been happening for decades.

You’re not defending it, but we should give people credit for doing coke in the cubicles rather than out in the stands?

 

[David O'Day]

no its both. we know we have over the top restrictions put in place by the safety group. if we want any chance of getting those restrictions removed we need to give the club a strong argument which means impeccable behaviour from our fans

if Boddy or King go into a meeting and ask for restrictions be removed on the basis that other clubs have as many coked up fans, people running on the pitch etc they will be laughed out the room

there are some things I believe you could argue on an evidential basis, such as the fence in the car park which seems to have led to an increase in problems, albeit off the footprint of the arena which is suspect is the desired result, or the not opening the gate out of car park b as they claimed people were being run over

but nobody can claim there isn't issues in that corner of the ground, we have posts on here from people saying they won't sit there anymore, we have posts on the club website reporting that they have received complaints from supporters about behaviour in that park of the ground. We can't just stick our head in the sand and act like supporters are blameless or just dismiss it as other clubs have problems if we want things to change

but the people running on the pitch don't come from blocks 14 and 15

 

[shmmeee]

no its both. we know we have over the top restrictions put in place by the safety group. if we want any chance of getting those restrictions removed we need to give the club a strong argument which means impeccable behaviour from our fans

if Boddy or King go into a meeting and ask for restrictions be removed on the basis that other clubs have as many coked up fans, people running on the pitch etc they will be laughed out the room

there are some things I believe you could argue on an evidential basis, such as the fence in the car park which seems to have led to an increase in problems, albeit off the footprint of the arena which is suspect is the desired result, or the not opening the gate out of car park b as they claimed people were being run over

but nobody can claim there isn't issues in that corner of the ground, we have posts on here from people saying they won't sit there anymore, we have posts on the club website reporting that they have received complaints from supporters about behaviour in that park of the ground. We can't just stick our head in the sand and act like supporters are blameless or just dismiss it as other clubs have problems if we want things to change

What is “impeccable behaviour” though? You want 20,000 people to never sit in the wrong seat or be found with drugs?

It’s catch 22. If nothing happens then the measures are working and shouldn’t be changed. If something happens then we need more measures.

 

[shmmeee]

Here’s what the club said the issues were:

Frankly throwing a flare should be a lifetime ban, yet we’ve seen away fans do it with no comment or measures against them.

The rest are pretty much nothing “anti social behaviour and shouting abuse” and falling over during celebrations.

It’s not a family area, just like any section of any ground with those types of fans in.

The overcrowding could be solved just by checking everyone’s tickets and by opening up more space like block 13. If we can do it for season tickets why not paper ones?

If your stewards can’t or won’t enforce the rules you say are vital, what’s the point of them?

 

[David O'Day]

speaking to folk there aren't any arrests for drugs in 14 and 15

the last people arrested were in hospitality bit

 

[alexccfc99]

I sit (or stand) back row of 16 - A little bit away from the rowdy lot, no problem with an atmosphere being created but it’s overkill having to flash your ticket every time you want to go to your seat and tired of a group of 4 or 5 15/16 year olds pushing past every 5 mins oh and the drum gets on my tits

If they don’t reintroduce premium zones I’ll look to go towards 20/21 next season - I do like being at the back though as you can stand and it’s a better view higher up for me

 

[chiefdave]

What is “impeccable behaviour” though? You want 20,000 people to never sit in the wrong seat or be found with drugs?

It’s catch 22. If nothing happens then the measures are working and shouldn’t be changed. If something happens then we need more measures.

If people want restrictions removed I don't think just behaving the same thing and hoping the safety group have an epiphany is really the best way to achieve that. It's really as simple as that

People can moan all they want that the restrictions are over the top, that the problems aren't in that part of the ground, that other clubs are just as bad, that people only do coke in the cubicles etc but imo that's got zero chance of brining about a change

 

[clint van damme]

If people want restrictions removed I don't think just behaving the same thing and hoping the safety group have an epiphany is really the best way to achieve that. It's really as simple as that

People can moan all they want that the restrictions are over the top, that the problems aren't in that part of the ground, that other clubs are just as bad, that people only do coke in the cubicles etc but imo that's got zero chance of brining about a change

Behaving the same how?
What happened there last season that warranted the over the top measures we're now seeing?

Basically the police and stewards don't want to do the job they're paid to do.

Look at the scenes outside at the one game there was genuine disorder at last season, Derby.
Did the police try and intervene? No, they hid in a bush and sent up a drone. Jokers.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Just had a mad idea.

People are saying that we want the loud fans behind the goal. Others are saying that the rowdy fans want to be near the away fans.

Could we put away fans in smaller section of seats underneath the boxes?

Our fans could then go behind the goal but still be relatively close, plus you could block off an area in the corner but not lose too many seats and thus need fewer stewards to guard it.

Trying to remember where the entrance/exit points are for that side and whether it would be possible to have the away fans exit safely that side with the coaches picking them up.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Just had a mad idea.

People are saying that we want the loud fans behind the goal. Others are saying that the rowdy fans want to be near the away fans.

Could we put away fans in smaller section of seats underneath the boxes?

Our fans could then go behind the goal but still be relatively close, plus you could block off an area in the corner but not lose too many seats and thus need fewer stewards to guard it.

Trying to remember where the entrance/exit points are for that side and whether it would be possible to have the away fans exit safely that side with the coaches picking them up.

Could be wrong but I think you have to give an allocation of at least 5-10% to away teams for league games. I don’t think we could fit 3000 in that stand underneath the hospitality boxes. Would mean missing out on revenue which no party would want.

People keep saying the stadium configuration means away fans can’t be moved but I don’t see how it’s not possible, when other bowl stadiums like Derby and Boro have been able to move the away fans.

Eitherway, the OP was about restrictions in current singing blocks and by the sounds of it that would carry on even if fans were moved anywhere else in the ground.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Could be wrong but I think you have to give an allocation of at least 5-10% to away teams for league games. I don’t think we could fit 3000 in that stand underneath the hospitality boxes. Would mean missing out on revenue which no party would want.

People keep saying the stadium configuration means away fans can’t be moved but I don’t see how it’s not possible, when other bowl stadiums like Derby and Boro have been able to move the away fans.

Eitherway, the OP was about restrictions in current singing blocks and by the sounds of it that would carry on even if fans were moved anywhere else in the ground.

I was wondering what the capacity might be but thought maybe the entire lower section of the stand might just about do it.

Time for someone to do a dot counting mission!